Anonymous wrote:Physician
The work is intellectually interesting and I feel like I am doing something worthwhile. Additionally, most of the patients are delightful (or at least interesting) and they teach me so much.

BUT as time has gone on the system has evolved so that the administrators have proliferated, and they have consolidated and expanded their power. So basically I work for idiot administrators who have a business degree with no understanding of medicine (if they compare us to “highly trained technicians - like a plumber or mechanic” one more time I am going to freak out), make slightly MORE money than us (one admin said she “would not get out of bed for what they pay doctors here”), work 9-5 (and g-d forbid they work a holiday! But they’d be delighted to report me if it takes me >15 minutes to reply to a page on a holiday), and just view us as numbers (RVU generators). They also won’t come in during covid (apparently every single admin is immunosupressed?), but are happy to send us 6000 useless emails a day, I guess to prove they are actually “working” from home. But then I have to yank off all my PPE and reply to their dumb emails “in a timely fashion” so they don’t report me. The higher level admins have also begun “encouraging” the older/middle aged docs to leave, and replacing them with MDs straight out of training and PA/NPs because the old guys cost too much money. Apparently competence and experience are of no value anymore. Because $$$. And if we make more money then we can hire more administrators!

Also I have 9 years of training after college and about 15 years experience, and I make less than my friends who are govt lawyers. So, stop with your complaining lawyers!

Well, that turned into a rant. But if things continue this way then being a physician won’t make sense anymore, which is sad, because medicine can be rewarding and fun - and on a great day you can even save someone’s life. Which is pretty cool.

Anonymous wrote:I’m the women’s roles vs men’s roles poster.

The pp is correct: I’m saying women aren’t always thinking about how to make the most money from a job. Which is largely the point.

Also, the hours in an industry will never change if there’s no women in them. Women going into a field changes the dynamics of an industry.

More women are going to law school and even med school, but there still aren’t enough women going to business school or into engineering or the hard sciences. There are still so few women in the c suite and on corporate boards. Some industries like corporate real estate are just utter boys clubs, but they make a shit ton of money.

Also, women should learn about personal finance. The basics are really not that hard.

Gets me frustrated when I see women picking career paths where money is almost an afterthought.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women should ask themselves what the traditional male equivalent is of whatever they’re traditionally considering, and consider that instead, because it’s usually more lucrative.

Example, teacher versus tenured college professor.
Nurse versus doctor
Cosmetologist versus dermatologist
Art teacher versus engineer
Admin assistant vs program manager

Obviously these are all very different jobs, but I hope you get what I mean.

Also, women should not shy away from things or jobs with numbers in them. Data science, business analysis, finance, corporate real estate, etc. I wish as many women were interested in business school as they are law school.

Lastly, I wish more women would run for office

What? Most of these are absurd and not comparable.

Cosmetologist: 6 wks. Dermatologist: More than 10 years.

Art teacher vs engineer? That's not even worth addressing.

Anonymous wrote:Law. And I wasn't an attorney. I worked as a litigation paralegal for 12 long years. It was the most stressful job I've ever had. The pay was really good, but not worth the toll the job was taking on my physical and mental health. My supervising attorney was great. The work could be really interesting. The hours and the pressure were just awful.

Anonymous wrote:Physician
The work is intellectually interesting and I feel like I am doing something worthwhile. Additionally, most of the patients are delightful (or at least interesting) and they teach me so much.

BUT as time has gone on the system has evolved so that the administrators have proliferated, and they have consolidated and expanded their power. So basically I work for idiot administrators who have a business degree with no understanding of medicine (if they compare us to “highly trained technicians - like a plumber or mechanic” one more time I am going to freak out), make slightly MORE money than us (one admin said she “would not get out of bed for what they pay doctors here”), work 9-5 (and g-d forbid they work a holiday! But they’d be delighted to report me if it takes me >15 minutes to reply to a page on a holiday), and just view us as numbers (RVU generators). They also won’t come in during covid (apparently every single admin is immunosupressed?), but are happy to send us 6000 useless emails a day, I guess to prove they are actually “working” from home. But then I have to yank off all my PPE and reply to their dumb emails “in a timely fashion” so they don’t report me. The higher level admins have also begun “encouraging” the older/middle aged docs to leave, and replacing them with MDs straight out of training and PA/NPs because the old guys cost too much money. Apparently competence and experience are of no value anymore. Because $$$. And if we make more money then we can hire more administrators!

Also I have 9 years of training after college and about 15 years experience, and I make less than my friends who are govt lawyers. So, stop with your complaining lawyers!

Well, that turned into a rant. But if things continue this way then being a physician won’t make sense anymore, which is sad, because medicine can be rewarding and fun - and on a great day you can even save someone’s life. Which is pretty cool.

Anonymous wrote:Government contracting. I dislike being at the behest of clients and I hate proposal work.

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Anonymous wrote:Women should ask themselves what the traditional male equivalent is of whatever they’re traditionally considering, and consider that instead, because it’s usually more lucrative.

Example, teacher versus tenured college professor.
Nurse versus doctor
Cosmetologist versus dermatologist
Art teacher versus engineer
Admin assistant vs program manager

Obviously these are all very different jobs, but I hope you get what I mean.

Also, women should not shy away from things or jobs with numbers in them. Data science, business analysis, finance, corporate real estate, etc. I wish as many women were interested in business school as they are law school.

Lastly, I wish more women would run for office

What? Most of these are absurd and not comparable.

Cosmetologist: 6 wks. Dermatologist: More than 10 years.

Art teacher vs engineer? That's not even worth addressing.

They are absolutely ridiculous. They need to have similar educations/background requirements like:

Social worker (mainly female) vs probation officer (mainly male)
Daycare worker vs. sanitation worker
Cosmetologist Vs. welder/electrician

You guys did not get PPs point. She is saying, give a choice, many women settle for the easier role in that specific industry.

Is that even true anymore? Last I checked, there were more women going into medical school than men.


I also think that many of the aforementioned "women's" roles are more difficult and have a higher level of responsibility than was previously assigned to them, and we are finding that out as more and more women who are driven to succeed in their careers aren't choosing nursing and teaching anymore. I am not saying that the overall quality of people in those roles has gone down, but those rare people who are both brilliant and driven in a particular field and are needed to help it thrive just aren't choosing those fields any longer, and they are missed.

Anonymous wrote:What Career Path Did You Choose That You Strongly Advise Against?

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Anonymous wrote:Women should ask themselves what the traditional male equivalent is of whatever they’re traditionally considering, and consider that instead, because it’s usually more lucrative.

Example, teacher versus tenured college professor.
Nurse versus doctor
Cosmetologist versus dermatologist
Art teacher versus engineer
Admin assistant vs program manager

Obviously these are all very different jobs, but I hope you get what I mean.

Also, women should not shy away from things or jobs with numbers in them. Data science, business analysis, finance, corporate real estate, etc. I wish as many women were interested in business school as they are law school.

Lastly, I wish more women would run for office

This is good advice. So many women shoot so low with their career aspirations, focusing on "soft" jobs in non profits, etc. If you want to be an admin person, be an admin person in a fortune 500 company.

Anonymous wrote:I realize most people think lobbying is like this easy amazing job, but I’m so tired of it. If my daughter wanted to go into it I would say hell no, it’s an extremely old school boys club and I’m so tired of the sexual harassment (and no I’ve never done anything to invite it).

Anonymous wrote:Teacher. The job has changed so much.