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Anonymous wrote:Not ordering in is not an option for many people. There was a poster here who's pregnant with 4 kids at home - this is literally the only option she has. We had another poster who literally makes less than her delivery person. There are people who are immunocompromised, or living off retirement incomes. You're bullying them for tips and calling them bad people because you're hoping they'll cave (and they do). Why wouldn't you ask the company - wouldn't that incentivize them to pay more? You were the one who accepted poor terms of employment, so by your own rules you should either put up with it, or ask for and get better pay or leave the company.

Nobody HAS to have restaurant delivery. Nobody. My grandmother is 101 and has never used this service in her entire life.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear you, OP. But those services are expensive. It’s not worth it to me to pay more for them. So I will just quit using them. The choices are either I use them one per month or less and tip as I currently do or quit using them. I’m not willing to pay more. I will forgo the service rather than pay more, in other words.

Good call. If more people do this, it might incentivize the companies to treat their workers better.

This is the only ethical answer. Tip or don't use the service.

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+3 The same as not going to a restaurant to be served or to a hairdresser if you can't afford it.

Here’s a tip for you - if they don’t pay enough to work there without relying on the largesse of their customers, don’t work there - it isn’t necessary.

And here’s a tip for you—if you patronize establishments that underpay or don’t pay their staff, you are complicit in their exploitation.

I don’t patronize them, but I’m not going to watch shills from those organizations bully and extort customers who don’t have too many choices, just so they can pay their CEOs fat paychecks

Shills? Shills would imply people that work for the company. Ubereats delivery people are not employees, they are “independent contractors“, who also don’t have too many choices. The OP is not making money for UE when she implores you to be generous if and when you can.

If you want to punish the company, call them and tell them you’re not going to use their app anymore, and explain why. Continuing to order and not tip simply places the burden on the delivery person while doing nothing to address your beef.

By the way, you can always cook your own damn meals, you lazy wretch. That’s a real choice that you have!

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Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County put out a statement encouraging people to not use these services because they take such a high cut from the restaurants.

Well if only the County would offer an alternative!

There is one--pick up your own food.

I'm 9 months pregnant with 4 little kids... We aren't rich. I always tip the minimum. Not everyone has tons of disposable income lying around

FIVE Fing kids and you still stiff the delivery guys??

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Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County put out a statement encouraging people to not use these services because they take such a high cut from the restaurants.

Well if only the County would offer an alternative!

There is one--pick up your own food.

I'm 9 months pregnant with 4 little kids... We aren't rich. I always tip the minimum. Not everyone has tons of disposable income lying around

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Anonymous wrote:I hear you, OP. But those services are expensive. It’s not worth it to me to pay more for them. So I will just quit using them. The choices are either I use them one per month or less and tip as I currently do or quit using them. I’m not willing to pay more. I will forgo the service rather than pay more, in other words.

Good call. If more people do this, it might incentivize the companies to treat their workers better.

This is the only ethical answer. Tip or don't use the service.

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+3 The same as not going to a restaurant to be served or to a hairdresser if you can't afford it.

Here’s a tip for you - if they don’t pay enough to work there without relying on the largesse of their customers, don’t work there - it isn’t necessary.

And here’s a tip for you—if you patronize establishments that underpay or don’t pay their staff, you are complicit in their exploitation.

I don’t patronize them, but I’m not going to watch shills from those organizations bully and extort customers who don’t have too many choices, just so they can pay their CEOs fat paychecks

Shills? Shills would imply people that work for the company. Ubereats delivery people are not employees, they are “independent contractors“, who also don’t have too many choices. The OP is not making money for UE when she implores you to be generous if and when you can.

If you want to punish the company, call them and tell them you’re not going to use their app anymore, and explain why. Continuing to order and not tip simply places the burden on the delivery person while doing nothing to address your beef.

By the way, you can always cook your own damn meals, you lazy wretch. That’s a real choice that you have!

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Anonymous wrote:I hear you, OP. But those services are expensive. It’s not worth it to me to pay more for them. So I will just quit using them. The choices are either I use them one per month or less and tip as I currently do or quit using them. I’m not willing to pay more. I will forgo the service rather than pay more, in other words.

Good call. If more people do this, it might incentivize the companies to treat their workers better.

This is the only ethical answer. Tip or don't use the service.

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+3 The same as not going to a restaurant to be served or to a hairdresser if you can't afford it.

Here’s a tip for you - if they don’t pay enough to work there without relying on the largesse of their customers, don’t work there - it isn’t necessary.

And here’s a tip for you—if you patronize establishments that underpay or don’t pay their staff, you are complicit in their exploitation.

I don’t patronize them, but I’m not going to watch shills from those organizations bully and extort customers who don’t have too many choices, just so they can pay their CEOs fat paychecks

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Anonymous wrote:I hear you, OP. But those services are expensive. It’s not worth it to me to pay more for them. So I will just quit using them. The choices are either I use them one per month or less and tip as I currently do or quit using them. I’m not willing to pay more. I will forgo the service rather than pay more, in other words.

Good call. If more people do this, it might incentivize the companies to treat their workers better.

This is the only ethical answer. Tip or don't use the service.

+2

+3 The same as not going to a restaurant to be served or to a hairdresser if you can't afford it.

Here’s a tip for you - if they don’t pay enough to work there without relying on the largesse of their customers, don’t work there - it isn’t necessary.

And here’s a tip for you—if you patronize establishments that underpay or don’t pay their staff, you are complicit in their exploitation.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear you, OP. But those services are expensive. It’s not worth it to me to pay more for them. So I will just quit using them. The choices are either I use them one per month or less and tip as I currently do or quit using them. I’m not willing to pay more. I will forgo the service rather than pay more, in other words.

Good call. If more people do this, it might incentivize the companies to treat their workers better.

This is the only ethical answer. Tip or don't use the service.

+2

+3 The same as not going to a restaurant to be served or to a hairdresser if you can't afford it.

Here’s a tip for you - if they don’t pay enough to work there without relying on the largesse of their customers, don’t work there - it isn’t necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry for the circumstances for why someone has to do this but tipping is for someone who goes above and beyond the expectations of whatever service is being delivered. If the pay is not good, that’s an issue between employee and employer. I won’t reward someone for simply doing the expected job to an average or worse standard. That said, I think that a living wage should be paid, but this falls on the employer to do, not me, and yes I know that cost will be past on to the customer, but again tips are rewards for superior service.

+1 This is the only ethical answer

that’s not true. for many jobs, tips are part of the compensation. including delivery drivers.

The average hourly pay for a delivery driver in the US is 14/hr. Amazon drivers make 16-25 dollars before tips. A Papa John’s delivery driver makes 100-225 in tips every day over and above his base pay and that’s not close to high end. Even registered nurses (who need to take out loans to study and pay for recertifications) don’t make that much. The delivery organization is legally required to pay the employee’s base pay if tips don’t cover it, which usually means that if you tip, you’re subsidizing Uber eats and reducing their wage costs

I thought Door Dash stopped this after an outcry. I always tip big.

In case this is not clear, I've attached an article which gets into a little more detail https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/22/20703434/delivery-app-tip-pay-theft-doordash-amazon-flex-instacart.

Here's a quote that is eye-opening - the lady below tipped 44% over and above her order, and this didn't benefit the driver at all:

"DoorDash offers a guaranteed minimum for each job. For my first order, the guarantee was $6.85 and the customer, a woman in Boerum Hill who answered the door in a colorful bathrobe, tipped $3 via the app. But I still received only $6.85. Here’s how it works: If the woman in the bathrobe had tipped zero, DoorDash would have paid me the whole $6.85. Because she tipped $3, DoorDash kicked in only $3.85. She was saving DoorDash $3, not tipping me."

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry for the circumstances for why someone has to do this but tipping is for someone who goes above and beyond the expectations of whatever service is being delivered. If the pay is not good, that’s an issue between employee and employer. I won’t reward someone for simply doing the expected job to an average or worse standard. That said, I think that a living wage should be paid, but this falls on the employer to do, not me, and yes I know that cost will be past on to the customer, but again tips are rewards for superior service.

+1 This is the only ethical answer

that’s not true. for many jobs, tips are part of the compensation. including delivery drivers.

The average hourly pay for a delivery driver in the US is 14/hr. Amazon drivers make 16-25 dollars before tips. A Papa John’s delivery driver makes 100-225 in tips every day over and above his base pay and that’s not close to high end. Even registered nurses (who need to take out loans to study and pay for recertifications) don’t make that much. The delivery organization is legally required to pay the employee’s base pay if tips don’t cover it, which usually means that if you tip, you’re subsidizing Uber eats and reducing their wage costs

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry for the circumstances for why someone has to do this but tipping is for someone who goes above and beyond the expectations of whatever service is being delivered. If the pay is not good, that’s an issue between employee and employer. I won’t reward someone for simply doing the expected job to an average or worse standard. That said, I think that a living wage should be paid, but this falls on the employer to do, not me, and yes I know that cost will be past on to the customer, but again tips are rewards for superior service.

+1 This is the only ethical answer

that’s not true. for many jobs, tips are part of the compensation. including delivery drivers.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what was the average tip you got in this area?

OP here. It's hard for me to put it in average tip terms but on a typical Friday/Saturday night, from say 6p-11p, pay can range between $80-$130 for me. These two nights are obviously when people order most often, and tend to tip more as they're getting food for the household vs during breakfast or lunch, oftentimes it's a meal for one, so lots of small to zero tips. I do set aside 20% as I know I'll owe during tax time as an independent contractor but no surprise there when doing this type of work.

I’m a low paid essential worker and that’s more than I make in an evening babysitting, so I’m cool with not tipping. I’m already paying for the service. Since you do so well in tips, you will be fine without money from me.

Do you also not tip your hairdresser, since she probably makes more than you as well? If you’re as poor as you claim, you have no business ordering food. Cook your own meals, or go pick them up, you cheap scum.

What's wrong with you? Are you unable to see other people as human beings unless they give you a hand-out?

Not a handout, you moron. Payment for services rendered. Tips are understood to be part of the deal. If you can't afford or are just too terrible a person to compensate someone performing a completely unnecessary service for you, then don't use the service. Uber Eats has a ranking system for customers, right? I hope the other services have same.