Michigan is a national powerhouse because they take more than half their students from out of state.

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Anonymous wrote:“UVA takes kids in the top 10% of their graduating class. U. Mich. couldn't possibly fill their slots by doing that hence most of their students come from out of state.”

Huh?

What's the "huh" about? Half of Michigan's 48,000 undergrads are from out of state. And in-state students definitely don't have to be in the top 10% of their class to get in, unlike at UVa.

For starters, UM has 29,000 undergrads. They do not collect class ranks, but 86% had GPA >3.75/4, the highest range.

One can't make a comparison to UVA because UVA administrators have trouble with reading comprehension and report on their CDS an average GPA of 4.32 on a 4 point scale.

you are right about the number - I read the article that said 48,000 undergrad and grad students. My mistake. Still more than half the students come from out of state.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/10/23/university-michigan-enrollment-rises-led-out-state-students/4070517002/
and you do have to be in top 10% of class to get into Uva. Not at Michigan. Not enough smart kids in that state to fill all the slots if they had those same standards as Uva.

Oops. I meant U. Michigan here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“UVA takes kids in the top 10% of their graduating class. U. Mich. couldn't possibly fill their slots by doing that hence most of their students come from out of state.”

Huh?

What's the "huh" about? Half of Michigan's 48,000 undergrads are from out of state. And in-state students definitely don't have to be in the top 10% of their class to get in, unlike at UVa.

For starters, UM has 29,000 undergrads. They do not collect class ranks, but 86% had GPA >3.75/4, the highest range.

One can't make a comparison to UVA because UVA administrators have trouble with reading comprehension and report on their CDS an average GPA of 4.32 on a 4 point scale.

you are right about the number - I read the article that said 48,000 undergrad and grad students. My mistake. Still more than half the students come from out of state.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/10/23/university-michigan-enrollment-rises-led-out-state-students/4070517002/
and you do have to be in top 10% of class to get into Uva. Not at Michigan. Not enough smart kids in that state to fill all the slots if they had those same standards as Uva.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“UVA takes kids in the top 10% of their graduating class. U. Mich. couldn't possibly fill their slots by doing that hence most of their students come from out of state.”

Huh?

What's the "huh" about? Half of Michigan's 48,000 undergrads are from out of state. And in-state students definitely don't have to be in the top 10% of their class to get in, unlike at UVa.

For starters, UM has 29,000 undergrads. They do not collect class ranks, but 86% had GPA >3.75/4, the highest range.

One can't make a comparison to UVA because UVA administrators have trouble with reading comprehension and report on their CDS an average GPA of 4.32 on a 4 point scale.

Anonymous wrote:“UVA takes kids in the top 10% of their graduating class. U. Mich. couldn't possibly fill their slots by doing that hence most of their students come from out of state.”

Huh?

What's the "huh" about? Half of Michigan's 48,000 undergrads are from out of state. And in-state students definitely don't have to be in the top 10% of their class to get in, unlike at UVa.

“UVA takes kids in the top 10% of their graduating class. U. Mich. couldn't possibly fill their slots by doing that hence most of their students come from out of state.”

Huh?

Anonymous wrote:UVA takes kids in the top 10% of their graduating class. U. Mich. couldn't possibly fill their slots by doing that hence most of their students come from out of state.

+1. My DS's class at UVA was 94% top ten percent of class.

Anonymous wrote:Those of you citing average GPAs, where are you getting that data? I don't see it in the common data sets.

I use SCHEV (State Council for Higher Education for Virginia) stats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Council_of_Higher_Education_for_Virginia/ SCHEV catalogues the data for all private and public universities in Virginia. All you need do is plug in the name of the college or university here and the stats (FIrst Time Freshman Profile) profile of the last incoming class pops up . SCHEV should be updating soon to include the data from fall 2020. So, for example, in the fall of 2019, of the first-year students on UVA's campus, the 75th percentile has a 4.49 GPA/ 34 ACT and/or a 1500 on the SAT. Medin is a 4.35 GPA/ACT of 33 and SAT of 1340. The bottom 25th percentile is a 4.21/ACT of 30 and a 1340 SAT.https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp.

Remember, though, that these are the STATs of the class which actually showed up. The stats for acceptance is higher because a number of students use UVA as a safety for the Ivies or top SLACs.

But if you want to find out where your child fits, all you need do is look at a comparison of the stats across the public and private universities of Virginia. The info is all there.

No, I don't know of a comparable system for any other state.

And before someone says it, yes, the universities know exactly where you child places even if your high school "doesn't rank". The college counselor has to sent in a profile of the high school class, including the most rigorous courses offered. That's the first thing that the readers check is approximately where your child is in comparison to the rest of his or her high school class. Also the counselor writes their own letter of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box if your student has taken the most rigorous courses that the high school offers.

UVA takes kids in the top 10% of their graduating class. U. Mich. couldn't possibly fill their slots by doing that hence most of their students come from out of state.

Anonymous wrote:The obsession with UVA on this board is fascinating.

It's not obsession. Around here it's a great education for decent price if you are in-state. What's so hard to understand about that?

Anonymous wrote:Those of you citing average GPAs, where are you getting that data? I don't see it in the common data sets.

At the risk of inciting more nitpicking, it is usually in Section C, number 12: "Average high school GPA of all degree-seeking, first-time, first-year students who submitted GPA"

GPA is not comparable across states. Which is why many colleges recalculate the GPA from the transcripts the HS provide.

Those of you citing average GPAs, where are you getting that data? I don't see it in the common data sets.

Anonymous wrote:All these schools are great! Nitpicking over minor stat differences doesn't change that.

I totally agree. For some reason, some here only feel good about themselves if they can knock down others.

All these schools are great! Nitpicking over minor stat differences doesn't change that.