Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 14:36     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
Anonymous wrote:I don't think your evidence holds up 14:07. Sounds like maybe your 8th grader didn't get in but your 6th grader got off the wait list which is why you are posting this information and how you know so much?


14:07 here. Older one was waitlisted and never came off the waitlist. That one is a boy, so I may have known less about who else got in.

Younger one was admitted to preferred magnet and waitlisted at the other. A girl, so I got exhaustive details (whether I wanted them or not) on what everyone else was doing, where they are going to middle school, if they are nervous, and what they wore their first day.

I said from the start that this was anecdotal. It feels like the first year of universal screening it was hard to get in from a CES. It feels easier now. Is that true? I have no idea. Only MCPS knows.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 14:24     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
I don't think your evidence holds up 14:07. Sounds like maybe your 8th grader didn't get in but your 6th grader got off the wait list which is why you are posting this information and how you know so much?
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 14:23     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
You forget to mention that there were a ton, at least a dozen from what we've heard, in that 8th grade CES class who got off the wait list for the magnets that spring/summer.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 14:07     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
Anonymous wrote: Garbled that last sentence. 4-5 total admitted to one school but not both. Heard 1 admitted to both but not sure about this as it's third hand.


I don't know if we're talking about the same program, but from my child's regional CES, a few more kids came off the waitlist in the spring so I'm aware of 3 that ended up with offers to both by the end of the summer.

The larger point is that, anecdotally, it seems easier to get into the middle school programs from the CES than it was a few years ago. At one point, it really did feel like there was a penalty and that MCPS was trying to "spread the wealth" a little bit, but that seems less true now than then.

Of course, again, this is all anecdotes and conjecture.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 13:19     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
Garbled that last sentence. 4-5 total admitted to one school but not both. Heard 1 admitted to both but not sure about this as it's third hand.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 13:18     Subject: Re:MAP Score - 5th Grade
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They looked at the non-CES kids at CES schools as their own separate elementary requiring representation.


This is pure conjecture.


+1 We don't actually know this, unless PP does know it. Pure anecdote, but here goes. I have two kids - one currently in 6th and one currently in 8th. Both were in regional CES programs for 4th and 5th. The 8th grader was in the first cohort to navigate the new admissions process, and basically zero kids got in from their CES. Maybe one, plus a handful more on appeal?

The 6th grader, on the other hand, has at least six friends from the same CES who were admitted. Maybe more.

There are two explanations I can think of, and I don't know which is true:

1) The current 6th graders were the first group to come into the CES using the new criteria, so were stronger (this feels unlikely)

2) The balancing mechanism used in the first year has been revised since that time


I know what CES your children were at based on the states and it's the former. This group underwent universal selection in 3rd using grades, MAP, Cogat and again in 5th using more or less the same types of screening criteria. You would expect the numbers would go up.

But the difference is not as big as you are making it out to be. It wasn't "basically" zero who got in that year in the current 8th grade. At least 2 ended up going to Eastern, not sure if more got in. At least 1-2 attended Takoma. Again, not sure if any more got in. So that's at least 3 admissions. This year it was about 4-5 total admitted to one with I heard but don't know for sure admitted to both.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 13:13     Subject: Re:MAP Score - 5th Grade
Anonymous wrote:
They looked at the non-CES kids at CES schools as their own separate elementary requiring representation.


This is pure conjecture.


I believe it's true. Second hand but a friend asked MCPS.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 12:59     Subject: Re:MAP Score - 5th Grade
Anonymous wrote:
They looked at the non-CES kids at CES schools as their own separate elementary requiring representation.


This is pure conjecture.


+1 We don't actually know this, unless PP does know it. Pure anecdote, but here goes. I have two kids - one currently in 6th and one currently in 8th. Both were in regional CES programs for 4th and 5th. The 8th grader was in the first cohort to navigate the new admissions process, and basically zero kids got in from their CES. Maybe one, plus a handful more on appeal?

The 6th grader, on the other hand, has at least six friends from the same CES who were admitted. Maybe more.

There are two explanations I can think of, and I don't know which is true:

1) The current 6th graders were the first group to come into the CES using the new criteria, so were stronger (this feels unlikely)

2) The balancing mechanism used in the first year has been revised since that time
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 12:53     Subject: Re:MAP Score - 5th Grade
They looked at the non-CES kids at CES schools as their own separate elementary requiring representation.


This is pure conjecture.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 12:29     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My child knows very little about other kids' grades, test scores or anything else. A few kids brag but they are old enough to keep their mouths shut.

You sound like you are up in everyone's business. I really hope your child is not at my child's school because I want to avoid you like the plague.


My DC doesn't even know her own Cogat scores. Never told her and I certainly never told any other parents or kids. She was at a CES. That other PP who claims to know everything is full of BS. Kids do not share scores like that. Map, yes. Cogat, no.


Agree with you. I wasn’t talking about MAP or cogat just that it’s clear to staff and kids who the strongest are in some subjects. I’ve also been told by teachers how my kid compares. Perhaps this isn’t usual but when a teacher tells you that your kids scores are the highest in the school or that your child is an outlier not just in their class but the school you tend to assume they are telling the truth. Maybe they weren’t but it wasn’t a surprise and I’m not sure why they would lie.

(Btw there are multiple people responding sometimes to posts that are in response to me. This is all getting a little confusing.)


You realize that's very common for kids who are left behind at their schools and doing well. MAP and Cognat are helpful vs. teachers who may or may not get to know the kids/show an interest. We had really bad teachers in 4th and 5th grade was a nightmare between multiple long term subs and a teacher who didn't care when they came back.


What’s very common? My kid wasn’t “left behind”. There was a CES in his school.


Do you live in a bubble to realize that not all elementary or middle schools have CES or even differentiation at every school? Your wasn't left behind but many have been. Hence the achievement gap issues.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 12:24     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
Sorry was responding to the person who said OP's child's scores don't take her out of the running!
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 12:24     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
+1
Agree, don't give up hope.
Seriously, OP, good luck!
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 12:16     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
Anonymous wrote:
Agree with you. I wasn’t talking about MAP or cogat just that it’s clear to staff and kids who the strongest are in some subjects. I’ve also been told by teachers how my kid compares. Perhaps this isn’t usual but when a teacher tells you that your kids scores are the highest in the school or that your child is an outlier not just in their class but the school you tend to assume they are telling the truth. Maybe they weren’t but it wasn’t a surprise and I’m not sure why they would lie.

(Btw there are multiple people responding sometimes to posts that are in response to me. This is all getting a little confusing.)


You have some ego. No, I don't think it's always clear to staff or the other students who the "strongest" are. My DC thought certain kids at the CES were shoo-ins. These are the kids often praised by the teachers and who get high MAP scores. They are not the ones who got in! Except maybe one. The kids who are praised and get high MAP scores are go-getters and will do well in life but they are not always the ones who get high Cogat.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 12:14     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
Guys, get real, there won't be a CogAT this year.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2020 12:12     Subject: MAP Score - 5th Grade
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You're feeling insecure because you felt like the MS magnet acceptance was a validation that your child is smarter than/better than/superior to the CES kids. You have a chip on your shoulder. I don't know why.

MCPS has been clear they balanced for elementary school representation and the result of that, which they never stated explicitly because it wasn't a criteria but a result of the criteria, was some CES kids with higher scores than non-CES kids did not get in.




I’m not insecure at all. They made the right choice.

This post hits the nail on the head though. They balance for elementary schools (allegedly). That may favor some kids in schools where there is no CES program, given that many of the high achieving kids have been moved elsewhere. If that’s the case it’s disadvantages all kids in a school that houses a CES, not just “CES kids”.


This is simply not true. They looked at the non-CES kids at CES schools as their own separate elementary requiring representation. Your child may still have scored higher than everyone in the CES for that one test (Map-M) but you don't know if your child outscored all the other CES kids overall factoring in Cogat. You sound kind of unhinged insisting this is the case.


Most of these posts are like that. They suppose a lot of things that just aren't true and the problem is it creates this sense that there's a big mystery here when in fact there is not. The factors used to make these decisions are laid out on the MCPS website.