Anonymous
07/22/2020 10:09
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PLEASE lock everything down for a month. I'll survive. I promise I won't even order amazon during that time period. Just give me a week's notice to get groceries and stock up on meds.
My cousin in Italy was only allowed out once a week for groceries and had to have papers on him that police checked. And then on his day to get groceries he waited in long lines to get into the store.
Are you saying democracies locked people up! And these people obeyed without being beaten? But, but, but only China and communists that hate people did that. Surely not one of the oldest Republics in the world did that?
Just joking for the moron Americans!
This exactly
Anonymous
07/22/2020 10:06
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:PLEASE lock everything down for a month. I'll survive. I promise I won't even order amazon during that time period. Just give me a week's notice to get groceries and stock up on meds.
My cousin in Italy was only allowed out once a week for groceries and had to have papers on him that police checked. And then on his day to get groceries he waited in long lines to get into the store.
Are you saying democracies locked people up! And these people obeyed without being beaten? But, but, but only China and communists that hate people did that. Surely not one of the oldest Republics in the world did that?
Just joking for the moron Americans!
Anonymous
07/22/2020 10:04
Subject: Re:Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nope, complete overkill. All we need is a mask mandate.
Masks
Close the bars
Close the indoor dining
Curfews to cut down on house parties
More testing capacity
More contact tracing
If we did all this we could open schools nationwide by the end of September. But no. Let's keep spinning our wheels.
+1
Agree
Anonymous
07/22/2020 10:00
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
PLEASE lock everything down for a month. I'll survive. I promise I won't even order amazon during that time period. Just give me a week's notice to get groceries and stock up on meds.
My cousin in Italy was only allowed out once a week for groceries and had to have papers on him that police checked. And then on his day to get groceries he waited in long lines to get into the store.
My cousin in Italy was only allowed out once a week for groceries and had to have papers on him that police checked. And then on his day to get groceries he waited in long lines to get into the store.
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:59
Subject: Re:Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
I honestly think a lot of people have no idea how many people *need* to work in a country of our size to keep people fed and functional. And, with so many essential workers still working, a hard shutdown just won't eliminate the virus completely. It can't. Other countries who have done harder shutdowns than ours (e.g. China) are authoritarian countries where people can literally be kept in one region -- not the case here.
Think about essential workers, for example. You need doctors/nurses, and people to care for their kids and feed them. You need people to take trash away. You need people to continue making food products, and people to distribute those food products. You need people to fly emergency personnel to where they are needed (and the support infrastructure to do so). You need people to ship gas around the country. You need people to handle the electric grid and water supply. You need pharmacists. You need social service providers. All of these people need their kids watched, and they need to be fed. You need UPS/Fed Ex/etc. A lot of people are essential, and a lot of these people work in places where covid can easily spread, like factories. And none of these people are essential for "luxury" things like restaurants providing takeout, they're essential for truly essential things. Add on the takeout, add on the people who handle things like car registrations, add on people who handle entertainment (e.g. people who ship out all of those puzzles and books we were all using) and you're talking about a lot of people. The difference between "hard" and "not hard" is just not that stark, IMO -- during our shutdown, all of the stuff I listed was happening, and the only changes if we were to have a "harder" shutdown would be to close all restaurants and retail establishments dealing with mail orders, and those are NOT places contributing significantly to the spread.
The shutdowns in other countries, and in some US states, *did* work at dramatically flattening the peak, even as they were. However, due to the impermeable border between states and our abysmal national leadership, even in states that had pretty stringent stay at home orders for months (e.g. NYC, NJ, Illinois, etc) you *still* see the numbers rising.
Restrictions on what we can and cannot do are required at this point, IMO. But I think it's naive to suggest that just "shutting everything down" will "crush" the virus. People think that countries like China and Italy literally locked everyone inside (they didn't). Children went to school for much of the time in most countries, for heavens sake!
Rather, I think a national mask mandate, strong policies to pay people to keep their small businesses like salons and restaurants closed, severely limited access to indoor places where the disease spreads easily (e.g. dining, bars), innovation to things like air filters and building Plexiglas barriers in places like grocery stores, and ridiculously good contact tracing are our best bets.
Think about essential workers, for example. You need doctors/nurses, and people to care for their kids and feed them. You need people to take trash away. You need people to continue making food products, and people to distribute those food products. You need people to fly emergency personnel to where they are needed (and the support infrastructure to do so). You need people to ship gas around the country. You need people to handle the electric grid and water supply. You need pharmacists. You need social service providers. All of these people need their kids watched, and they need to be fed. You need UPS/Fed Ex/etc. A lot of people are essential, and a lot of these people work in places where covid can easily spread, like factories. And none of these people are essential for "luxury" things like restaurants providing takeout, they're essential for truly essential things. Add on the takeout, add on the people who handle things like car registrations, add on people who handle entertainment (e.g. people who ship out all of those puzzles and books we were all using) and you're talking about a lot of people. The difference between "hard" and "not hard" is just not that stark, IMO -- during our shutdown, all of the stuff I listed was happening, and the only changes if we were to have a "harder" shutdown would be to close all restaurants and retail establishments dealing with mail orders, and those are NOT places contributing significantly to the spread.
The shutdowns in other countries, and in some US states, *did* work at dramatically flattening the peak, even as they were. However, due to the impermeable border between states and our abysmal national leadership, even in states that had pretty stringent stay at home orders for months (e.g. NYC, NJ, Illinois, etc) you *still* see the numbers rising.
Restrictions on what we can and cannot do are required at this point, IMO. But I think it's naive to suggest that just "shutting everything down" will "crush" the virus. People think that countries like China and Italy literally locked everyone inside (they didn't). Children went to school for much of the time in most countries, for heavens sake!
Rather, I think a national mask mandate, strong policies to pay people to keep their small businesses like salons and restaurants closed, severely limited access to indoor places where the disease spreads easily (e.g. dining, bars), innovation to things like air filters and building Plexiglas barriers in places like grocery stores, and ridiculously good contact tracing are our best bets.
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:56
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For those who are saying it didn't work, you're seriously missing the point.
It did work.
It brought the virus from rampant community spread down to isolated, traceable and treatable cases. Sure there were secondary outbreaks here and there, but nothing on the scale of what we face here. I mean Hong Kong is freaking out about a third wave now of about 1,000 cases in the last two weeks, but that's a DAILY total for Maryland, which has a smaller population. New Zealand had a couple of cases, but they are tracing and isolating and getting it back down under control.
There is no way to get 60,000 cases a day "under control". We can crush the virus back to the level of controllable with some more radical action than what is being done now.
If we have the will to try...
What are you having trouble understanding? Maybe we can explain it to you if you give specifics.
Yes it brought it down like that WHILE WE WERE SHUT DOWN. Open back up, back up up up the numbers go. There is no "crushing the virus" by just staying inside for a few weeks.
Exactly this. We can't keep shutting everything down for weeks and months at a time over and over again. It's not working. So, those at high risk, stay home, use good hygiene, especially if you have family members who are circulating, and take care of your health. Guaranteed, at least 30% of the population has already had the virus. It is mostly harmless. I know, cue all the posters saying, "but, damaged lungs, long-term effects..."
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:52
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:I'm in NJ, I did a "hard shutdown" for 3 months. If the US decides that I need to shutdown again, I'm going to riot.
I did my job. The other states can do what they want, but they shouldn't make rules for me just because it took them a bit to get how serious this is.
I feel the same way. We all did it. It didn't work. No reason it would work a second time. It will run its course and this will all be over by, say, Nov. 5.
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:47
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree that we need masks. To make people wear masks, a hard shut down, where grocery store is open from 8 am till noon, with nothing else open will make people take it seriously.
Put police of every corner too. Only then will morons start wearing masks. This pandemic so easy to crush, the fact that we refuse to do so due to our own stupidity is telling, Once people can't leave the house for 2 weeks, they will accept masks. But, of course that means having POTUS that will enforce masks in the whole country. So, why talk about things that are impossible?
Yeah let's cram everyone into the grocery store during a 4 hour period so we're all standing around on top of each other for prolonged periods. No thanks.
100% this. Limited hours for grocery stores is such a dumb idea. Also I guess nurses and doctors can't get food if they're working between 8-12.
This just shows what snowflakes you are. You are aware that many countries do not have grocery stores open on Sunday? That in Norway you might have grocery stores closed for 3 days during Christmas? Are we that stupid that we can't buy enough groceries ahead of time? Apparently YES!
And you are so freaking tough teleworking your BS nonprofit job from the home office of your urban McCraftsman while getting your groceries delivered, hosting Zoom happy hours, and planning learning pods for your kids.
I’m so sick of super privileged people lecturing us from their thrones about what weak, selfish snowflakes we all are.
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:46
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:Yes shutdown. If you don't have groceries the National Guard should deliver MREs to your door.
Exactly this. If China can to it so can we.
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:44
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Yes, at this point I'd rather be confined to my house for a month than have this limbo for another year (which is the minimum at this point).
Testing, contract tracing, lock us all down, lock Trump in the bunker until January.
Testing, contract tracing, lock us all down, lock Trump in the bunker until January.
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:44
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree that we need masks. To make people wear masks, a hard shut down, where grocery store is open from 8 am till noon, with nothing else open will make people take it seriously.
Put police of every corner too. Only then will morons start wearing masks. This pandemic so easy to crush, the fact that we refuse to do so due to our own stupidity is telling, Once people can't leave the house for 2 weeks, they will accept masks. But, of course that means having POTUS that will enforce masks in the whole country. So, why talk about things that are impossible?
Yeah let's cram everyone into the grocery store during a 4 hour period so we're all standing around on top of each other for prolonged periods. No thanks.
100% this. Limited hours for grocery stores is such a dumb idea. Also I guess nurses and doctors can't get food if they're working between 8-12.
This just shows what snowflakes you are. You are aware that many countries do not have grocery stores open on Sunday? That in Norway you might have grocery stores closed for 3 days during Christmas? Are we that stupid that we can't buy enough groceries ahead of time? Apparently YES!
Nothing you said was an actual response to what I said. Just name calling and fox news vomit.
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:43
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Yes shutdown. If you don't have groceries the National Guard should deliver MREs to your door.
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:43
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:Freedumb and stupidity. China handled this with ease while we will be swimming in this mess for years
I love authoritarian communist regimes shouted the anxious moron.
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:42
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree that we need masks. To make people wear masks, a hard shut down, where grocery store is open from 8 am till noon, with nothing else open will make people take it seriously.
Put police of every corner too. Only then will morons start wearing masks. This pandemic so easy to crush, the fact that we refuse to do so due to our own stupidity is telling, Once people can't leave the house for 2 weeks, they will accept masks. But, of course that means having POTUS that will enforce masks in the whole country. So, why talk about things that are impossible?
Yeah let's cram everyone into the grocery store during a 4 hour period so we're all standing around on top of each other for prolonged periods. No thanks.
Stick up ahead of time and then you won’t need to go- give everyone a week to prepare before the shutdown or something. We can get rid of the virus guys! Just takes some will.
What if they don't have the space to stock up?
Anonymous
07/22/2020 09:42
Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Heart disease is not contagious. It does not spread in air. Americans are truly idiots.