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Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.

This has nothing to do with schools.

+1 there people could’ve been hospital workers, fire, police, factory, grocery store employees.

All the whining from/about teachers is getting old. No one is physically forcing you into the room, just like no one is forcing any of the other workers to go. It’s a choice.

Sure it’s a choice. Just like being homeless is a choice. I’m tired of all these arguments pitting hard working people - nurses, meat packers, teachers- against each other. All unsafe conditions can be mitigated, not made safe, but made safer, if these people were valued. They are not adequately valued and it’s all about how much you can get out of someone else for the least you have to give them. It is utterly disgusting and the antithesis of all the moral teachings, including that of many religions, people claim to live by. Classic case of fiddling while Rome burned.

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Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.

This has nothing to do with schools.

+1 there people could’ve been hospital workers, fire, police, factory, grocery store employees.

All the whining from/about teachers is getting old. No one is physically forcing you into the room, just like no one is forcing any of the other workers to go. It’s a choice.

Sure it’s a choice. Just like being homeless is a choice. I’m tired of all these arguments pitting hard working people - nurses, meat packers, teachers- against each other. All unsafe conditions can be mitigated, not made safe, but made safer, if these people were valued. They are not adequately valued and it’s all about how much you can get out of someone else for the least you have to give them. It is utterly disgusting and the antithesis of all the moral teachings, including that of many religions, people claim to live by. Classic case of fiddling while Rome burned.

Actually, it's a very important point and a factor that simply has to be weight in the decision about schools. Do you know know the infection fatality rate for people under the age of 70? It's 0.04%. And the vast majority in that small slice die because of very clear health condition, obesity being one. She also had other conditions, as quoted by her husband. To say that isn't a point to be taken from this post is small-minded. If OP wants to hold this up as a reason not to open schools, then it simply has to hold up to scrutiny--but it doesn't.

My takeaway was less that the teacher died (which is truly unfortunate) and more that the virus transmitted among the three of them despite them reporting that they took the precautions our school systems are—masks, distance, and cleaning.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

I feel like you don't know anything about how schools work.

Agreed- none of this is safe. Keep kids and teachers at home and firm micro schools if you absolutely need to work and trade off with other parents.

Everyone has to work. You want society to keep functioning around you, yes? Why are teachers supposed to be the exception?

That's exactly right. If teachers want to stay home to work like any other profession given a choice, they should.

You could probably get people to buy that if you had any plan to make it functional. I see the same teachers attending church, going on vacation, having 4th of July July bbq and advocating against returning to school. I saw how little effort was made in the spring and have no desire to continue down that road.

I'm not interested in selling a plan to anyone. Luckily, it is not my job to come up with a plan that satisfies something functional for you. I especially do not care what teachers do on their vacations.

In all, that has little to do with working. You are deflecting from the original comment you made.

DL working from home is still work, no? You seem to want to paint a picture that working from home is not work.

No. DL is not work from home. You are not performing the service you are contacted to provide. That isn't what the job is. Like it or not, when you argue that it isn't safe to go ina school building, you sort of undercut the argument when you show up in a crowded church service or post photos of your beach vacation. Teachers are not concerned so much about safety as to actually stay home, are they? I don't work from home, that's not what I was contracted to do.

What are you talking about? I'm not contracted to do any of the above nor do I post photos on social media. If you have a personal issue with someone posting, you should unfollow this person or quit social media for a while, PP. I don't work from home either FWIW. In times of crisis people have to adapt and this is one of those times.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

I feel like you don't know anything about how schools work.

Agreed- none of this is safe. Keep kids and teachers at home and firm micro schools if you absolutely need to work and trade off with other parents.

Everyone has to work. You want society to keep functioning around you, yes? Why are teachers supposed to be the exception?

That's exactly right. If teachers want to stay home to work like any other profession given a choice, they should.

You could probably get people to buy that if you had any plan to make it functional. I see the same teachers attending church, going on vacation, having 4th of July July bbq and advocating against returning to school. I saw how little effort was made in the spring and have no desire to continue down that road.

I'm not interested in selling a plan to anyone. Luckily, it is not my job to come up with a plan that satisfies something functional for you. I especially do not care what teachers do on their vacations.

In all, that has little to do with working. You are deflecting from the original comment you made.

DL working from home is still work, no? You seem to want to paint a picture that working from home is not work.

No. DL is not work from home. You are not performing the service you are contacted to provide. That isn't what the job is. Like it or not, when you argue that it isn't safe to go ina school building, you sort of undercut the argument when you show up in a crowded church service or post photos of your beach vacation. Teachers are not concerned so much about safety as to actually stay home, are they? I don't work from home, that's not what I was contracted to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

I feel like you don't know anything about how schools work.

Agreed- none of this is safe. Keep kids and teachers at home and firm micro schools if you absolutely need to work and trade off with other parents.

Everyone has to work. You want society to keep functioning around you, yes? Why are teachers supposed to be the exception?

That's exactly right. If teachers want to stay home to work like any other profession given a choice, they should.

You could probably get people to buy that if you had any plan to make it functional. I see the same teachers attending church, going on vacation, having 4th of July July bbq and advocating against returning to school. I saw how little effort was made in the spring and have no desire to continue down that road.

I'm not interested in selling a plan to anyone. Luckily, it is not my job to come up with a plan that satisfies something functional for you. I especially do not care what teachers do on their vacations.

In all, that has little to do with working. You are deflecting from the original comment you made.

DL working from home is still work, no? You seem to want to paint a picture that working from home is not work.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

I feel like you don't know anything about how schools work.

Agreed- none of this is safe. Keep kids and teachers at home and firm micro schools if you absolutely need to work and trade off with other parents.

Everyone has to work. You want society to keep functioning around you, yes? Why are teachers supposed to be the exception?

That's exactly right. If teachers want to stay home to work like any other profession given a choice, they should.

You could probably get people to buy that if you had any plan to make it functional. I see the same teachers attending church, going on vacation, having 4th of July July bbq and advocating against returning to school. I saw how little effort was made in the spring and have no desire to continue down that road.

Please don’t group all teachers together and make blanket statements like this.
I’m a teacher and I haven’t stepped foot inside of a store since March. I have been doing everything I possibly can to keep my family safe. I have immediate family members in my household who have underlying medical conditions and are at great risk for complications if they should contract COVID. Going back into the classroom terrifies me, because whatever I am exposed to I will bring home to my family. There will be multiple adults in classrooms. Elementary students are to stay in their room all day, with specialists (art, music, p.e., and media) going into each and every classroom. I will have students with IEPs and a special education teacher will need to meet with these students. I will have ESOL students and an ESOL teacher will have to plug-in the classroom to provide support. Then there are the para-educators and if your school has a partnership with a university, student interns. I was told I would have a student intern this year. I have no say in this matter. There will be other adults in my classroom and that scares me. I trust myself, because I know what I have been doing over the past several months. I have no idea what precautions my colleagues have been taking. I know of one who will be going to the Carolinas for a beach trip with extended family. Who know what others may be doing. I also do not trust the parents in the community, as they have shown me time and again that they will send their sick children to school. This isn’t the flu or strep throat (which both went through my class this past year...8 students tested positive for the flu alone). If I contract COVID, I will be out of school for weeks. There won’t be substitutes willing to come into a classroom in this situation. I am certain of this...it’s extremely difficult to obtain a substitute in a non-pandemic situation. There is no perfect solution. It’s all bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

I feel like you don't know anything about how schools work.

Agreed- none of this is safe. Keep kids and teachers at home and firm micro schools if you absolutely need to work and trade off with other parents.

Everyone has to work. You want society to keep functioning around you, yes? Why are teachers supposed to be the exception?

That's exactly right. If teachers want to stay home to work like any other profession given a choice, they should.

You could probably get people to buy that if you had any plan to make it functional. I see the same teachers attending church, going on vacation, having 4th of July July bbq and advocating against returning to school. I saw how little effort was made in the spring and have no desire to continue down that road.

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I've been obese and I know how tough it is. I clicked on the article and the woman appears to be a very nice lady and well loved by her family but she is also morbidly obese which is the biggest risk factor you can have.

Sure, it’s a risk factor. But lots of non-obese people have died, too. It’s something people can point to that makes covid death feel less threatening; “it can’t happen to me because she was obese and I am not, so I am safe.” It’s no different than someone getting attacked and people saying “it happened because they were in the wrong neighborhood/dressed to provoke it/did something to cause it.”

Actually, it's a very important point and a factor that simply has to be weight in the decision about schools. Do you know know the infection fatality rate for people under the age of 70? It's 0.04%. And the vast majority in that small slice die because of very clear health condition, obesity being one. She also had other conditions, as quoted by her husband. To say that isn't a point to be taken from this post is small-minded. If OP wants to hold this up as a reason not to open schools, then it simply has to hold up to scrutiny--but it doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

I feel like you don't know anything about how schools work.

Agreed- none of this is safe. Keep kids and teachers at home and firm micro schools if you absolutely need to work and trade off with other parents.

Everyone has to work. You want society to keep functioning around you, yes? Why are teachers supposed to be the exception?

That's exactly right. If teachers want to stay home to work like any other profession given a choice, they should.

Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.

This has nothing to do with schools.

You must be stupid. This has everything to do with ongoing discussions regarding opening school systems. Life must be hard for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

I feel like you don't know anything about how schools work.

Agreed- none of this is safe. Keep kids and teachers at home and firm micro schools if you absolutely need to work and trade off with other parents.

Everyone has to work. You want society to keep functioning around you, yes? Why are teachers supposed to be the exception?

Anonymous wrote:My school system talked about teachers doing DL from school. The union shut it down. So for all those who say that they shouldn’t be doing this, it is happening right now in schools. Teachers don’t get to choose anything, let alone where they are teaching.

The school probably couldn't afford to pay the janitorial staff to clean three classrooms and couldn't see a reason that they shouldn't all be put together-with precautions, of course. Which turned out not to mitigate the spread at all.

My school system talked about teachers doing DL from school. The union shut it down. So for all those who say that they shouldn’t be doing this, it is happening right now in schools. Teachers don’t get to choose anything, let alone where they are teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

I feel like you don't know anything about how schools work.

Agreed- none of this is safe. Keep kids and teachers at home and firm micro schools if you absolutely need to work and trade off with other parents.