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Are you seriously asking why kids need a formal education, OP?

Let me guess, you are a teacher?

I am not a teacher and I am not "seriously asking why kids need a formal education." I am asking why it is such a hardship for UMC kids to attend school in person this fall in the middle of a contagious pandemic that is killing thousands of people daily, when those children have many options and resources to help mitigate the loss of a formal schooling program. I am realizing that this is not about hardship for the kids. The kids will be fine, some maybe even happier. It is about the incredibly selfish parents who don't want the hassle of putting together an alternative plan.

The HASSLE of putting together an alternative plan? I don’t understand how teachers can both take the position that they are a highly specialized professional, but think that parents should be able to slip into that role instantly, with no professional training, all while we maintain our other full time jobs.

And while I’m at it, I don’t understand how teachers can claim they are such highly specialized professionals, and that they were all putting in twelve hour days from March 13 through the end of the school year, but their work product was total shit. Either they barely put any effort in- hence the shit work product from teachers. Or they put in twelve hour days for three months, and they are lower functioning than their peers in other professional Jobs (who mostly managed to Successfully shift to remote work within a week Of Covid with no major impact on our work product or complaints from clients) - hence the shit work product from teachers. When I hear teachers talk about how hard they slaved this spring, I am mostly embarrassed for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, first of all, I don't agree it's "to the detriment of public health" given the data on child-to-adult infection.

Second, I already did hire someone to help with distance learning, but it is clear my child did not do well with DL.

+1. Two working parents and one child with a learning disability. Spent a small fortune on private tutor. For what it’s worth, dont belong to a country club or our neighborhood pool so no swim time this summer. And tennis courts weren’t open either.

Anonymous wrote:Well, first of all, I don't agree it's "to the detriment of public health" given the data on child-to-adult infection.

Second, I already did hire someone to help with distance learning, but it is clear my child did not do well with DL.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you seriously asking why kids need a formal education, OP?

Let me guess, you are a teacher?

I am not a teacher and I am not "seriously asking why kids need a formal education." I am asking why it is such a hardship for UMC kids to attend school in person this fall in the middle of a contagious pandemic that is killing thousands of people daily, when those children have many options and resources to help mitigate the loss of a formal schooling program. I am realizing that this is not about hardship for the kids. The kids will be fine, some maybe even happier. It is about the incredibly selfish parents who don't want the hassle of putting together an alternative plan.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it a relatively recent development for the children of the wealthy to be housed in schools for much of the day? Children used to be educated at home without notably inferior mental health outcomes.

there’s really no such thing as the 19th Century governess anymore. Jane Eyre is long gone. The wealthy send their kids to private school. I think anyone with some extra income for education would be hard pressed to find a live-in tutor with a masters degree who teaches their kids all subjects plus piano and drawing.

I don’t think Jane Eyre was capable of teaching much either, but today’s UMC kids have access to distance learning, so they can still be educated at home - perhaps not to the same standard as during a regular school year, but the same could be said of any approach that is likely to be viable this year.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you seriously asking why kids need a formal education, OP?

Let me guess, you are a teacher?

I am not a teacher and I am not "seriously asking why kids need a formal education." I am asking why it is such a hardship for UMC kids to attend school in person this fall in the middle of a contagious pandemic that is killing thousands of people daily, when those children have many options and resources to help mitigate the loss of a formal schooling program. I am realizing that this is not about hardship for the kids. The kids will be fine, some maybe even happier. It is about the incredibly selfish parents who don't want the hassle of putting together an alternative plan.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you seriously asking why kids need a formal education, OP?

Let me guess, you are a teacher?

I am not a teacher and I am not "seriously asking why kids need a formal education." I am asking why it is such a hardship for UMC kids to attend school in person this fall in the middle of a contagious pandemic that is killing thousands of people daily, when those children have many options and resources to help mitigate the loss of a formal schooling program. I am realizing that this is not about hardship for the kids. The kids will be fine, some maybe even happier. It is about the incredibly selfish parents who don't want the hassle of putting together an alternative plan.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it a relatively recent development for the children of the wealthy to be housed in schools for much of the day? Children used to be educated at home without notably inferior mental health outcomes.

there’s really no such thing as the 19th Century governess anymore. Jane Eyre is long gone. The wealthy send their kids to private school. I think anyone with some extra income for education would be hard pressed to find a live-in tutor with a masters degree who teaches their kids all subjects plus piano and drawing.

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Anonymous wrote:The wealthy have never been interested in raising their own children. I have seen some "moms" go happily back to work at 6 weeks postpartum.

Take your self-congratulatory self and go to hell. Must be nice being so perfect.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never understood why wealthy people send their kids to public schools when they can afford private. They’ll spend big bucks on everything else but not education. To me, that’s backwards. I’m DCUM poor and I send my kid to private school. Aside from his health, nothing is more important than an education. You can’t go back and do it again. I won’t care too much if he has to do DL because his school did a great job last year especially last minute. They are paying teachers to come back a week early so they can have two weeks to prepare for DL since it will probably happen sometime this fall. I’m a public school teacher and they would never pay us a dime to do anything. They try to guilt us into take DL courses this summer for free. You get what you pay for. I think people are seeing this now.

My kids are thriving in AAP. They have a solid peer group. Our school has a great science Olympiad team and chess club.

DH and I are both Ivy League educated and value education very much. We have a high income and can afford private school tuition. We prefer to save money for college, grad school, weddings and down payments.

We are always surprised at how many people with relatively low incomes struggle to pay tuition for private. Then their kids don’t even end up at a very good college.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg. My kids are plenty privileged but I'm still not equipped to administer their checkups or fill their cavities or teach them math. If school is important to any kids, then it's important to all kids. Some kids have a bigger gap to bridge or more needs that the school system can address, but that's not the same thing. Couple that with the facts that (1) the expectation that society stop until the time there's a "vaccine" is unrealistic and (2) kids are not as at-risk or significant vectors for this based on everything we know -- that's why my kids "need" to be in school.

For young kids k-5 you can do the math, you don't want to. Once they hit algebra its harder but thankfully one parent in our family can do advanced math. Your kids don't need to be in school as they can DL or hire a tutor. You want them in school.

DP. I taught both my kids to read at 4 and yes, grade school math isn't hard. However, they learned to write at school and they learned so much more.

School is not just the three Rs. No matter your SES.

Anonymous wrote:The wealthy have never been interested in raising their own children. I have seen some "moms" go happily back to work at 6 weeks postpartum.

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it a relatively recent development for the children of the wealthy to be housed in schools for much of the day? Children used to be educated at home without notably inferior mental health outcomes.