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Anonymous wrote:What seems fake to you about supporting black-owned businesses?

It's called performative white allyship.

Yep. Same thing as when white people respond with vitriol when someone asks how they can support BLM. I see it all the time on FB. You have these mostly white women attack the person, saying "it's not POC's job to do that! It's traumatic emotional labor!!"

Then a POC will often chime in, saying, "It's actually no problem. Here are some resources."

It's this performative self-flagellation that comes from white guilt. It crosses the line from being supportive to being in the territory of "doth protest too much."

Thanks. There are times when white people should just shut up. Listen twice as much as you speak....

No no no.

Yes, sometimes white people need to shut up. But this idea that white people can NEVER SPEAK is asininely stupid and counterproductive.

It reminds me of the NAACP thread recently. A white person asked if she can go to an NAACP meeting. Someone replied, saying "yes, but don't speak." Another said "white people shouldn't take up that space."

I had to remind them that the NAACP was co-founded by white people. Finally the 1st VP of the DC chapter came on and said "it goes without saying that white people are more than welcome. We have a white person who heads a committee."

Who said never speak? Just don't speak as much. You run all over the space of BIPOC who NEED to be heard. You just always need to be in charge of everything. And that's not what this is about.

JFC. You really seriously miss the point.

Did WEB DuBois tell Mary Ovington to STFU and let him have the majority of the voice? No. She and her colleagues approached him and his colleagues with the idea for the NAACP. They worked together in an equal capacity.

Read and learn:

In 1908, a deadly race riot rocked the city of Springfield, the capital of Illinois and resting place of President Abraham Lincoln. Such eruptions of anti-black violence – particularly lynching – were horrifically commonplace, but the Springfield riot was the final tipping point that led to the creation of the NAACP. Appalled at this rampant violence, a group of white liberals that included Mary White Ovington and Oswald Garrison Villard (both the descendants of famous abolitionists), William English Walling and Dr. Henry Moscowitz issued a call for a meeting to discuss racial justice. Some 60 people, seven of whom were African American (including W. E. B. Du Bois, Ida B. Wells-Barnett, and Mary Church Terrell), signed the call, which was released on the centennial of Lincoln’s birth.

https://www.naacp.org/nations-premier-civil-rights-organization/

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Anonymous wrote:What seems fake to you about supporting black-owned businesses?

It's called performative white allyship.

Yep. Same thing as when white people respond with vitriol when someone asks how they can support BLM. I see it all the time on FB. You have these mostly white women attack the person, saying "it's not POC's job to do that! It's traumatic emotional labor!!"

Then a POC will often chime in, saying, "It's actually no problem. Here are some resources."

It's this performative self-flagellation that comes from white guilt. It crosses the line from being supportive to being in the territory of "doth protest too much."

Thanks. There are times when white people should just shut up. Listen twice as much as you speak....

No no no.

Yes, sometimes white people need to shut up. But this idea that white people can NEVER SPEAK is asininely stupid and counterproductive.

It reminds me of the NAACP thread recently. A white person asked if she can go to an NAACP meeting. Someone replied, saying "yes, but don't speak." Another said "white people shouldn't take up that space."

I had to remind them that the NAACP was co-founded by white people. Finally the 1st VP of the DC chapter came on and said "it goes without saying that white people are more than welcome. We have a white person who heads a committee."

Who said never speak? Just don't speak as much. You run all over the space of BIPOC who NEED to be heard. You just always need to be in charge of everything. And that's not what this is about.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone in our neighborhood organized a food pick up for anyone interested, from a black owned restaurant in DC. I ordered dinner for my family. The food was supposed to be ready at 5:30 - it wasn’t ready until 7:30, one of my items was missing, and the food we got wasn’t very good. So no, I will not be choosing based upon the race of the owner. Didn’t really go well for us.

In the middle of the pandemic I ordered food from the Cheesecake Factory (not a fan, but the kid wanted it), food showed up 2 hours late, was cold, 2 of the items were missing, french fries and the cheese cake.

I called to complain, was told buy the white girl who answered the phone and the white manager, that it wasn't their fault, blamed it on the delivery driver, said they probably ate the food. When I suggested that perhaps, due to the unusual circumstances that they made a mistake, they replied no, not us. Blamed, their incompetence on the delivery guy who just so happened to be black, and apparently a thief.

You would think that the big corporate guys, with the resources to hire/retain competent staff, would have been able to figure out how to get it right, but no. Just a bunch of incompetent idiots.

How exactly did you determine the skin color of TWO employees ON the phone? Face Time? Also, was the female with whom you spoke 12 or younger? Assuming because you referred to her as a "girl" that she must be a child. I'm certain you meant "woman" or better yet, "employee."

I could tell you how I known, but because you are asking the question, you wouldn't understand. Hypervigilance, is a fact of life for a lot of black people in the US, we know. I know she was a female and I know she was a teenager, also something you can figure out by the voice, tone, resonance, pitch, timber, and a lot of other subtle clues. So yes she was a young, yes she, was white and was a female. If you have no other response to my post, other than to attack it on "semantics" to you, observations to me, then you might have some other deeper issues that you should examine.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone in our neighborhood organized a food pick up for anyone interested, from a black owned restaurant in DC. I ordered dinner for my family. The food was supposed to be ready at 5:30 - it wasn’t ready until 7:30, one of my items was missing, and the food we got wasn’t very good. So no, I will not be choosing based upon the race of the owner. Didn’t really go well for us.

In the middle of the pandemic I ordered food from the Cheesecake Factory (not a fan, but the kid wanted it), food showed up 2 hours late, was cold, 2 of the items were missing, french fries and the cheese cake.

I called to complain, was told buy the white girl who answered the phone and the white manager, that it wasn't their fault, blamed it on the delivery driver, said they probably ate the food. When I suggested that perhaps, due to the unusual circumstances that they made a mistake, they replied no, not us. Blamed, their incompetence on the delivery guy who just so happened to be black, and apparently a thief.

You would think that the big corporate guys, with the resources to hire/retain competent staff, would have been able to figure out how to get it right, but no. Just a bunch of incompetent idiots.

How exactly did you determine the skin color of TWO employees ON the phone? Face Time? Also, was the female with whom you spoke 12 or younger? Assuming because you referred to her as a "girl" that she must be a child. I'm certain you meant "woman" or better yet, "employee."

I could tell you how I known, but because you are asking the question, you wouldn't understand. Hypervigilance, is a fact of life for a lot of black people in the US, we know. I know she was a female and I know she was a teenager, also something you can figure out by the voice, tone, resonance, pitch, timber, and a lot of other subtle clues. So yes she was a young, yes she, was white and was a female. If you have no other response to my post, other than to attack it on "semantics" to you, observations to me, then you might have some other deeper issues that you should examine.

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Anonymous wrote:What seems fake to you about supporting black-owned businesses?

It's called performative white allyship.

Yep. Same thing as when white people respond with vitriol when someone asks how they can support BLM. I see it all the time on FB. You have these mostly white women attack the person, saying "it's not POC's job to do that! It's traumatic emotional labor!!"

Then a POC will often chime in, saying, "It's actually no problem. Here are some resources."

It's this performative self-flagellation that comes from white guilt. It crosses the line from being supportive to being in the territory of "doth protest too much."

Thanks. There are times when white people should just shut up. Listen twice as much as you speak....

No no no.

Yes, sometimes white people need to shut up. But this idea that white people can NEVER SPEAK is asininely stupid and counterproductive.

It reminds me of the NAACP thread recently. A white person asked if she can go to an NAACP meeting. Someone replied, saying "yes, but don't speak." Another said "white people shouldn't take up that space."

I had to remind them that the NAACP was co-founded by white people. Finally the 1st VP of the DC chapter came on and said "it goes without saying that white people are more than welcome. We have a white person who heads a committee."

Thanks op. I will now only shop at white owned businesses. This sh t had gone too far.

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Anonymous wrote:What seems fake to you about supporting black-owned businesses?

It's called performative white allyship.

Yep. Same thing as when white people respond with vitriol when someone asks how they can support BLM. I see it all the time on FB. You have these mostly white women attack the person, saying "it's not POC's job to do that! It's traumatic emotional labor!!"

Then a POC will often chime in, saying, "It's actually no problem. Here are some resources."

It's this performative self-flagellation that comes from white guilt. It crosses the line from being supportive to being in the territory of "doth protest too much."

Thanks. There are times when white people should just shut up. Listen twice as much as you speak....

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What seems fake to you about supporting black-owned businesses?

It's called performative white allyship.

Yep. Same thing as when white people respond with vitriol when someone asks how they can support BLM. I see it all the time on FB. You have these mostly white women attack the person, saying "it's not POC's job to do that! It's traumatic emotional labor!!"

Then a POC will often chime in, saying, "It's actually no problem. Here are some resources."

It's this performative self-flagellation that comes from white guilt. It crosses the line from being supportive to being in the territory of "doth protest too much."

Anonymous wrote:What seems fake to you about supporting black-owned businesses?

It's called performative white allyship.

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Anonymous wrote:How the hell would I know if the owner is black or other. If I need/like what you're selling than I'm buying.

This isn't something that's difficult to find out, if you see it as important. Many people don't and that's their prerogative, but you and others claiming this is some kind of mystery or would take up far too much of your time sound more willfully ignorant than anything else. No one is saying you have to, it's just not at all difficult to figure out if you choose to.

The other night I wanted to order sushi and also wanted to support a Black-owned restaurant. Unfortunately, both could not be accomplished with the same order (at least in my area), so I enjoyed my sushi. Maybe next time it'll go another way.

Yeah, no. I'm not going to feel shty about supporting my Greek-owned local taco place. For a bunch of Greeks, they make awesome tacos.

You sound nuts. Nobody is asking you to feel shitty about supporting Greek and taco places, nobody said every meal should be from a black owned business.

the leaps people make when somebody asks to support a business is insane. Why the ire and deflection? You can't find 1 black owned business to support every now and again... that is literally insane.

I'm not going to support them just because they're black. Do they have good products? Then sure, I'll buy them.

Why am I nuts? This entire thread is about shaming people for not going out of their way to support black businesses.

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Anonymous wrote:How the hell would I know if the owner is black or other. If I need/like what you're selling than I'm buying.

This isn't something that's difficult to find out, if you see it as important. Many people don't and that's their prerogative, but you and others claiming this is some kind of mystery or would take up far too much of your time sound more willfully ignorant than anything else. No one is saying you have to, it's just not at all difficult to figure out if you choose to.

The other night I wanted to order sushi and also wanted to support a Black-owned restaurant. Unfortunately, both could not be accomplished with the same order (at least in my area), so I enjoyed my sushi. Maybe next time it'll go another way.

Yeah, no. I'm not going to feel shty about supporting my Greek-owned local taco place. For a bunch of Greeks, they make awesome tacos.

You sound nuts. Nobody is asking you to feel shitty about supporting Greek and taco places, nobody said every meal should be from a black owned business.

the leaps people make when somebody asks to support a business is insane. Why the ire and deflection? You can't find 1 black owned business to support every now and again... that is literally insane.

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Anonymous wrote:How the hell would I know if the owner is black or other. If I need/like what you're selling than I'm buying.

This isn't something that's difficult to find out, if you see it as important. Many people don't and that's their prerogative, but you and others claiming this is some kind of mystery or would take up far too much of your time sound more willfully ignorant than anything else. No one is saying you have to, it's just not at all difficult to figure out if you choose to.

The other night I wanted to order sushi and also wanted to support a Black-owned restaurant. Unfortunately, both could not be accomplished with the same order (at least in my area), so I enjoyed my sushi. Maybe next time it'll go another way.

Yeah, no. I'm not going to feel shty about supporting my Greek-owned local taco place. For a bunch of Greeks, they make awesome tacos.

This is all nuts.

Anonymous wrote:How the hell would I know if the owner is black or other. If I need/like what you're selling than I'm buying.

This isn't something that's difficult to find out, if you see it as important. Many people don't and that's their prerogative, but you and others claiming this is some kind of mystery or would take up far too much of your time sound more willfully ignorant than anything else. No one is saying you have to, it's just not at all difficult to figure out if you choose to.

The other night I wanted to order sushi and also wanted to support a Black-owned restaurant. Unfortunately, both could not be accomplished with the same order (at least in my area), so I enjoyed my sushi. Maybe next time it'll go another way.

Putting aside the Home Depot/Lowe's nonsense...

OP you need to work on growing a thicker skin if it really bothers you. Someone else's social media virtue signaling should have no impact on your (I would hope) informed choices. You know why you patronize or do not patronize particular businesses and you do not owe anyone an explanation.

I say all this hoping/assuming that you have been listening to the conversations happening around the country and have already done some introspection to suss out your own biases/motivations/assumptions/positions. Again, you don't have to defend them to anyone, but it is important to gain some insight for your own benefit.