Anonymous
05/23/2020 15:17
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Alumni giving is not a good indicator. I went to Harvard Law. I don't give much because a) my children are college-aged and all in expensive schools; b) I pay an obscene amount of money in taxes; c) I have three aged parents DW and I are taking care of; d) we have a SN child who has a lot of unexpected expenses; and e) with a 63 billion dollar endowment Harvard doesn't need my money. Nor does the law school. To make Harvard pay attention for legacies requires six to seven figures which we will never have so that ship has sailed. But your results may vary.
Anonymous
05/23/2020 15:13
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The link for general budget doesn’t work and doesn’t tgat grabt support The massive UVA hospital as well?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this is correct. Cite please.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:hardly. Please go read the responsible 13:50 above. State universities have a different mission than small private institutions do. Also they are funded by the Commonwealth so don’t need to worry as much as the Slacs do about giving. Finally, UVA already has a 6.2 billion dollar endowment since it agreed to take less from the Commonwealth in exchange for more freedom. It manages itself far better than the Commonwealth ever did.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you not THINK before you post? What schools are at the top of the list? The small expensive privates where only the wealthy and scholarship kids can now afford to attend ergo the wealthy donate and the poor graduates do not (especially because their own parents were not in a position to donate to their own schools, if they attended college at all. So what might you expect to be in the lower end if this list? The large publics whose job it is to service the needs of ALL of the students in the state. Simply by definition you are going to have more cost-conscious families ( like ours) who watch every dime in the public universities but that has nothing to do with university spirit or alumni connections. It is also the mission of public universities to turn out new members of the service industry, as UVA does, in the less well-paid careers of nursing, teaching and lower paying government service.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UVA
Do they really? Is the alumni network strong and supportive? How about the percent of alumni giving? Just asking. (All the parent I know love it because of the in-state tuition, oh, and they were national champs last year in men's basketball)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2018/08/21/grateful-grads-2018-200-colleges-with-the-happiest-most-successful-alumni/#34da262e1a0a
UVA does NOT make the list.
I saw that! I'm guessing the parents of in-state students love it for the price tag, but the students not so much.
Top 15 for "Students Love These Colleges" in Princeton Review:
Vanderbilt
Tulane
Kansas State
Brown
Wisconsin
William & Mary
Lehigh
Virginia Tech
Clemson
Auburn
Emory
Olin
Williams
Wash U
Dayton
Interesting mix.
And only VA has two states on the list. The best STEM school and the best LAC in the state. UVA must be crying.
To be fair, UVA gets more from the state on a per student basis than all but the two HBCUs. JMU gets the least. JMU only gets 56% as much as UVA for a full time equivalent.
State budget and in-state enrollment.
State budget, General Fund appropriations. https://budget.lis.virginia.gov/secretariat/2020/1...Chapter/1/office-of-education/
In State FTE Enrollment: https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/E5B_Report.asp
GF Per in-state FTE looks like this:
Norfolk State University $16,132
Virginia State University $14,719
University of Virginia $10,529
William & Mary $9,453
Virginia Commonwealth University $9,396
Old Dominion University $8,746
University of Mary Washington $8,306
Virginia Tech $8,261
Longwood University $7,987
Radford University $7,746
Christopher Newport University $7,592
George Mason University $6,661
James Madison University $5,896
Try this one. https://budget.lis.virginia.gov/secretariat/2020/1/HB30/Chapter/1/office-of-education/
General Fund does not fund any part of the hospital if you look at the components. It is largely funded by "Higher Education Operating" which is a catchall for tuition, fees, and in this case patient fees. The biggest state benefit to the UVA hospital is that it operates tax free as a non-profit. The thing to look at is General Fund, which is the part coming from state revenues.
I only post this because there is a misconception that UVA doesn't get money from the state. State support for UVA is generous compared to other Virginia higher education institutions. If you compare to other states, Virginia spends on higher education than most.
Well, that's my point. UVA hospital is the best in the state. It can't turn anyone away, so if the Commonwealth is paying UVA for "patient fees" then, yes, of course you could say a lot of money goes to UVA. But you are missing the point about declining funding to the University itself because the University is managing itself so well. Remember that UVA spun itself off in 2005. From wiki "Due to a continual decline in state funding for the university, today only 6 percent of its budget comes from the Commonwealth of Virginia.[48] A Charter initiative was signed into law by then-Governor Mark Warner in 2005, negotiated with the university to have greater autonomy over its own affairs in exchange for accepting this decline in financial support.". In 2005, UVA begun doing its own investing so now has a 9.6 billion dollar endowment. Even with only 6% of its budge coming from the state, it is doing very well.
Anonymous
05/23/2020 11:43
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UVA
Do they really? Is the alumni network strong and supportive? How about the percent of alumni giving? Just asking. (All the parent I know love it because of the in-state tuition, oh, and they were national champs last year in men's basketball)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2018/08/21/grateful-grads-2018-200-colleges-with-the-happiest-most-successful-alumni/#34da262e1a0a
UVA does NOT make the list.
Actually, UVA is one of the highest ranked public in giving.
https://www.collegeconsensus.com/rankings/best-college-alumni-networks/
USNWR is a better source for giving rates.
Top national university alumni giving rates in USNWR:
Princeton
Dartmouth
Notre Dame
USC
Chicago
Johns Hopkins
Penn
MIT
Duke
Harvard
Northwestern
Brown
Georgetown
William & Mary
Columbia
Stanford
Rice
Villanova
Yale
Caltech
Vanderbilt
Cornell
Alumni giving rates are only one measurement of loyalty and satisfaction with any educational institution. It no longer is a parameter to demonstrate the #1 most loved/adored/loyal school. Millennials and younger generations have different mindsets in giving and tend to give money towards “charities” that are more specific and micro focused. They do not view their high school or college as a nonprofit charity needing money but with the click of a mouse can find a remote village in a third world country that needs $100 to get cleaner water and donate and feel better about themselves. To them, that’s more tangible, more personal. Younger people don’t see colleges as “in need” and they want accountability of exactly where their money is going. Higher eds are now having to pivot how they attract donations, whether via capital campaigns or general funds. I am on the board for a school and we’ve had several presentations on this by our advancement office and I’ve see platforms on it at conferences. Things are changing. I would no longer use this percentage of annual giving as a method to determine which school is #1.
It still seems like a better, more objective indicator than "everybody loves my school!" claims.
Exactly...this is a data based ranking. I don't know how else you can rank this measure other than questionnaires, which are never reliable or data based. Follow the money.
Anonymous
05/23/2020 11:10
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:MICHIGAN!
DH is an alum and I swear the place is a cult.
Yes it is. From way back when....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZFmDHI_JcI
Anonymous
05/23/2020 11:07
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Michigan for sure - Go Blue!
You too! Great college town.
Anonymous
05/23/2020 09:58
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UVA
Do they really? Is the alumni network strong and supportive? How about the percent of alumni giving? Just asking. (All the parent I know love it because of the in-state tuition, oh, and they were national champs last year in men's basketball)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2018/08/21/grateful-grads-2018-200-colleges-with-the-happiest-most-successful-alumni/#34da262e1a0a
UVA does NOT make the list.
Actually, UVA is one of the highest ranked public in giving.
https://www.collegeconsensus.com/rankings/best-college-alumni-networks/
USNWR is a better source for giving rates.
Top national university alumni giving rates in USNWR:
Princeton
Dartmouth
Notre Dame
USC
Chicago
Johns Hopkins
Penn
MIT
Duke
Harvard
Northwestern
Brown
Georgetown
William & Mary
Columbia
Stanford
Rice
Villanova
Yale
Caltech
Vanderbilt
Cornell
Alumni giving rates are only one measurement of loyalty and satisfaction with any educational institution. It no longer is a parameter to demonstrate the #1 most loved/adored/loyal school. Millennials and younger generations have different mindsets in giving and tend to give money towards “charities” that are more specific and micro focused. They do not view their high school or college as a nonprofit charity needing money but with the click of a mouse can find a remote village in a third world country that needs $100 to get cleaner water and donate and feel better about themselves. To them, that’s more tangible, more personal. Younger people don’t see colleges as “in need” and they want accountability of exactly where their money is going. Higher eds are now having to pivot how they attract donations, whether via capital campaigns or general funds. I am on the board for a school and we’ve had several presentations on this by our advancement office and I’ve see platforms on it at conferences. Things are changing. I would no longer use this percentage of annual giving as a method to determine which school is #1.
It still seems like a better, more objective indicator than "everybody loves my school!" claims.
Anonymous
05/23/2020 09:57
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UVA
Do they really? Is the alumni network strong and supportive? How about the percent of alumni giving? Just asking. (All the parent I know love it because of the in-state tuition, oh, and they were national champs last year in men's basketball)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2018/08/21/grateful-grads-2018-200-colleges-with-the-happiest-most-successful-alumni/#34da262e1a0a
UVA does NOT make the list.
Actually, UVA is one of the highest ranked public in giving.
https://www.collegeconsensus.com/rankings/best-college-alumni-networks/
USNWR is a better source for giving rates.
Top national university alumni giving rates in USNWR:
Princeton
Dartmouth
Notre Dame
USC
Chicago
Johns Hopkins
Penn
MIT
Duke
Harvard
Northwestern
Brown
Georgetown
William & Mary
Columbia
Stanford
Rice
Villanova
Yale
Caltech
Vanderbilt
Cornell
Alumni giving rates are only one measurement of loyalty and satisfaction with any educational institution. It no longer is a parameter to demonstrate the #1 most loved/adored/loyal school. Millennials and younger generations have different mindsets in giving and tend to give money towards “charities” that are more specific and micro focused. They do not view their high school or college as a nonprofit charity needing money but with the click of a mouse can find a remote village in a third world country that needs $100 to get cleaner water and donate and feel better about themselves. To them, that’s more tangible, more personal. Younger people don’t see colleges as “in need” and they want accountability of exactly where their money is going. Higher eds are now having to pivot how they attract donations, whether via capital campaigns or general funds. I am on the board for a school and we’ve had several presentations on this by our advancement office and I’ve see platforms on it at conferences. Things are changing. I would no longer use this percentage of annual giving as a method to determine which school is #1.
We all know that many of those schools - certainly Princeton, Dartmouth, and Notre Dame - have extremely loyal alumni. I’d bet the donation rates of younger alumni at those schools remains high.
Anonymous
05/23/2020 09:01
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UVA
Do they really? Is the alumni network strong and supportive? How about the percent of alumni giving? Just asking. (All the parent I know love it because of the in-state tuition, oh, and they were national champs last year in men's basketball)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2018/08/21/grateful-grads-2018-200-colleges-with-the-happiest-most-successful-alumni/#34da262e1a0a
UVA does NOT make the list.
Actually, UVA is one of the highest ranked public in giving.
https://www.collegeconsensus.com/rankings/best-college-alumni-networks/
USNWR is a better source for giving rates.
Top national university alumni giving rates in USNWR:
Princeton
Dartmouth
Notre Dame
USC
Chicago
Johns Hopkins
Penn
MIT
Duke
Harvard
Northwestern
Brown
Georgetown
William & Mary
Columbia
Stanford
Rice
Villanova
Yale
Caltech
Vanderbilt
Cornell
Alumni giving rates are only one measurement of loyalty and satisfaction with any educational institution. It no longer is a parameter to demonstrate the #1 most loved/adored/loyal school. Millennials and younger generations have different mindsets in giving and tend to give money towards “charities” that are more specific and micro focused. They do not view their high school or college as a nonprofit charity needing money but with the click of a mouse can find a remote village in a third world country that needs $100 to get cleaner water and donate and feel better about themselves. To them, that’s more tangible, more personal. Younger people don’t see colleges as “in need” and they want accountability of exactly where their money is going. Higher eds are now having to pivot how they attract donations, whether via capital campaigns or general funds. I am on the board for a school and we’ve had several presentations on this by our advancement office and I’ve see platforms on it at conferences. Things are changing. I would no longer use this percentage of annual giving as a method to determine which school is #1.
Anonymous
05/23/2020 08:54
Subject: Re:Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:DUKE!!!!!!
Barf
Anonymous
05/23/2020 08:36
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Pomona Barnard
At least you celebrate both of your kids’ schools!
Anonymous
05/22/2020 23:16
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Mary Washington. I know so many people who went there (almost all women, not surprisingly) who just rave about it. And they are all quite successful.
And no--didn't go there. We toured it with my son, who was accepted, but chose a very different school.
+100
I also know a lot of people who loved Mary Washington - including my own son, who graduated two years ago. Beautiful small school with a really nice group of students.
Anonymous
05/22/2020 22:52
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Admittedly, we Michigan grads aren't ranked among the most generous donors, but I think the numbers are skewed because they don't account for sweatshirt purchases.
GO BLUE!
By the way, the diversity of the maniacal Michigan mob is pretty amazing.
I just thought they layered themselves in Maize and Blue so they don't freeze to death.
Anonymous
05/22/2020 22:47
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll wager that giving rates say more about alumni income than love for school.
I'll wager alumni support at many schools is largely alumni support for athletics.
True this.
Anonymous
05/22/2020 22:44
Subject: Re:Colleges that alums always rave about
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most SLAC alum are like this. Even if they don't believe it, they rave about their schools.
I'm not sure about people not believing it, but my daughter's going to an SLAC and every time we mention, someone raves about it - even if they didn't go there. They'll know someone who did and loved it, for example.
They are just being polite. What else are they going to say?
Umm...congrats or nothing? Lots of options...
Anonymous
05/22/2020 21:15
Subject: Colleges that alums always rave about
Pomona Barnard