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Anonymous wrote:Kind of the same here. We are very careful to keep our distance and stay home, already had some family die of COVID19.

We would love to go for walks in our neighborhood, but we live near a bunch of pet friendly apartment buildings and those millennials are out walking their dogs AT ALL HOURS. It’s just a non stop hoard of people with dogs, and they don’t wear masks and don’t keep six feet away. We are family of four, and its exhausting to keep the kids corralled close and away from the SD disregarding DINKS with dogs.

This makes me HATE beautiful Saturday’s like today (and the flyover didn’t help) b/c we thought of venturing out to a more suburban location, but we were pretty sure every street and office parking lot would have a throng of people (we have a yard less condo townhouse).

Get over yourself. "We" aren't more important or special, or entitled to public space than than so-called "DINKS with dogs". (How interesting that you know all their marriage/parental/employment status.)

Not this Pp, but I suspect they're less bothered by the possible DINK status of the dogwalkers than the fact that they don't wear masks and don't stay 6 ft. away.

We don’t have any more right to it, but they use it constantly and don’t respect social distancing, effectively refusing to share it with others.

I assume DINK status b/c they live in an expensive condo, are out walking together (so live together) and have no kids (and are young enough that if they did have kids, they would be leaving a preschooler home alone). Honestly I don’t care, it’s more the issue that they won’t give us freaking space or time to get out of their way.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve been following SAH orders pretty much to the tee. No socializing, 1 person getting the groceries as infrequently as possible, contactless delivery, not visiting grandparents, etc. We’ve been on walks and I had to go to the doctor but other than that, not out just doing stuff. Today we just went for a drive and all up rt 15 are open ANTIQUE stores... tiny little stores filled with people in them. I saw a mass of teens congregating at a small dirt beach at the creek on my walk , a herd of tweens biking ... people are really just out here doing whatever. You would NEVER know there was such a thing as stay at home in place. I feel like a freaking idiot, we’ve done everything right for 8 weeks and it seems like half of northern Virginia is just life as usual. Wtf!

Well some people look at the numbers and make decisions based in facts not fear.

People under 60 need to stay home. Fat people need to stay home. Everyone else should treat this like the flu. Period.

Many of you need to get your anxiety under control

+1 ^^

Looking at the numbers, I don't understand this paralyzing fear. Yes, there's risk. And 6 ft apart, masks, washing hands frequently, etc (minus the masks, dobt people wash hands and make space pre-Covid?) lowers that risk.

There are like 8 million people on VA. 500 (sadly died). 15k are (+). Not very scarey.
Unemployment rates; now that is scarey.

You have this attitude because you are not in the high risk group or do not know someone who has died from this. Shame on you.

What about asthmatics, those who have heart disease, auto-immune deficiencies? They should not be exposed to idiots who have COVID-19 but may not be showing symptoms. If they get this virus they will die! Some people must go to work and cannot afford to be exposed to asymptomatic carriers just because they don’t feel like wearing a mask or staying 6 feet away. I don’t want to lose my life because of them. If some of us get COVID-19 our chances of survival are next to none because we have simple medical issues like asthma.

Put a mask on people!

Okay, please understand how irrational you are being now. I agree, we should all stay in a little longer, but you are not helping the case with your over the top hysteria. In fact, even in the high risk group, you are still LESS likely to die of COVID than to die. Much much much more likely not to die. Chances of survival next to none?? If your anxiety is so high that you cannot understand the basic facts, then yes, you just need to stay home.

I do understand what you are saying. Just to clarify...asthmatics will most likely end up on a ventilator. According to the news reports, that is where it gets bad in terms of the survival rate.

Nah. Its all the obese people. If you read the real reports from the ground, the people dying are morbidly obese and/or have several other comorbidities. Yes, I know you can name 5 high profile cases that didn't fit this description but by and large this is true.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine for now. There will be a resurgence in about 2 weeks. The numbers in The DMV are still going up everyday.

Yep. The "my neighbors didn't really distance and they're fine" poster and his ilk deserve to watch as people around them get sick in weeks to come. Do they just plug their ears and cover their eyes when there are accounts of how long infection can take to show up? Do they not want to admit that you can feel fine and have no symptoms and be infectious to others?

Ignorance and arrogance will make this last and last but they value watching flyovers and holding backyard parties over the health of strangers they might infect.

My neighbors have been fine for 7 weeks. Is it a 7 week incubation now?

Your neighbors are fortunate. Let’s hope they stay that way. You and your neighbors are lucky that your family has not been hit by and that you don’t know anyone who has lost a family member or friend to this awful virus. It seems that people have on blinders until it affects them personally. Let’s hope you all are not affected.

Perhaps. Or perhaps the sky is not falling after all.

You go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

^ That's ridiculous re PT nannies off the internet?! Yeah obviously the person taking on that job is desperate for money so like they/someone else in their household is an instacart shopper/retail worker or something else with public contact . . . .

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Anonymous wrote:People get lax every weekend. What we need is some rainy, cold weekends.

But people need to post where they live exactly - as in what street- bc this isn’t a NOVA thing across the board. I’m in Ballston - tons of high rises with millennials who you’d think wouldn’t care bc they’re so young and have dogs to walk and coffees to get. It is EMPTY. I can see 4 streets from where I am — 2 major ones, 2 residential ones — as well as a small grassy area with benches etc. I have never seen more than 10-12 people out across that 5 block radius and the ones that are out aren’t separated by 6 ft but more like 100 ft.

So yeah I think people are looking for excuses to do what they want under the guise of “if others aren’t following the rules, why should I??” Suit yourself but you know you’re lying to yourself.

I live in a leafy UMC manicured subdivision in Nova. Tons of people out yesterday. Tons. Lots of lawn chairs and fire pits, and kids biking together etc.

I think this may be a leafy suburb thing.

Like PP I'm on the border of Clarendon and Va. Square and it is silent and has been for 6+ weeks now. When this all first started, I dreaded it because there is so much of a 22-35 year old crowd here who I figured would flaunt the rules because they are young/low risk and with grad school etc being online even if they couldn't go out, they'd just have friends over partying 24-7. It really isn't like that all. If they are out somewhere crowding the sidewalks with their dogs and getting in the faces of families out on walks, IDK where they are but they aren't here. Are they driving someplace to engage in this activity?

Ultimately I think it helps that 1/3 to 1/2 of the population in these buildings at any time is grad students (and some corporate housing) anyway. A good % of those folks went home to mom and dad -- esp if buildings worked with them on canceling leases/rent concessions for next year etc. -- and with internships now being canceled/remote, I think the earliest they return is August and that's IF schools reopen in person. The ones who stayed simply don't have many friends to hang with. And the others in these buildings are usually 25-30 something SINKs/DINKs who seem like they are plenty comfortable working all day, watching Netflix/playing videogames, texting, drinking etc. They don't seem to have this need to be out. Every once in a while in my building you'll see someone stroll in coffee with hand and you'll wonder -- was that necessary to go out for coffee? And then you check your judgment as it's clear they made a grocery run with enough food for weeks and just stopped on the way home for coffee since they were out anyway.

Yet my friends 2 miles over in the SFHs -- totally different stories. Mostly moms who are losing their $hit with their kids, so they've gotten progressively more lax. Oh -- it's fine for the kids to talk to each other from their own driveways (yep -- it is). Oh it's fine neighbor Susan and her kids don't go anywhere anyway, our kids can ride bikes as long as they don't go in the houses. And then a week later -- they've been riding bikes daily and are fine, basketball with one sweaty ball is NBD at least the kids will stop nagging me. And then if they're playing basketball, sure the adults can hang around a fire pit . . . . I also think there's some neighborhood peer pressure. If you are the type who goes to work and comes home and maybe waves to a neighbor from a distance, it's fine you can do what you want. But if you are the type who always has your kids playing with their kids and the adults drinking, now you don't want to look like a stick in the mud who won't participate and lose your "friends."

I mean some of these people have gotten so lax and are so over their kids that they are hiring part time nannies to come in!? Lord knows what an internet stranger is doing in their off time -- maybe they are an instacart shopper who runs to 37 stores daily and shares housing with 8 other family members and only picked up this gig because they need more $. But the mamas are so over it that whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:Kind of the same here. We are very careful to keep our distance and stay home, already had some family die of COVID19.

We would love to go for walks in our neighborhood, but we live near a bunch of pet friendly apartment buildings and those millennials are out walking their dogs AT ALL HOURS. It’s just a non stop hoard of people with dogs, and they don’t wear masks and don’t keep six feet away. We are family of four, and its exhausting to keep the kids corralled close and away from the SD disregarding DINKS with dogs.

This makes me HATE beautiful Saturday’s like today (and the flyover didn’t help) b/c we thought of venturing out to a more suburban location, but we were pretty sure every street and office parking lot would have a throng of people (we have a yard less condo townhouse).

Get over yourself. "We" aren't more important or special, or entitled to public space than than so-called "DINKS with dogs". (How interesting that you know all their marriage/parental/employment status.)

Not this Pp, but I suspect they're less bothered by the possible DINK status of the dogwalkers than the fact that they don't wear masks and don't stay 6 ft. away.

Anonymous wrote:Kind of the same here. We are very careful to keep our distance and stay home, already had some family die of COVID19.

We would love to go for walks in our neighborhood, but we live near a bunch of pet friendly apartment buildings and those millennials are out walking their dogs AT ALL HOURS. It’s just a non stop hoard of people with dogs, and they don’t wear masks and don’t keep six feet away. We are family of four, and its exhausting to keep the kids corralled close and away from the SD disregarding DINKS with dogs.

This makes me HATE beautiful Saturday’s like today (and the flyover didn’t help) b/c we thought of venturing out to a more suburban location, but we were pretty sure every street and office parking lot would have a throng of people (we have a yard less condo townhouse).

Get over yourself. "We" aren't more important or special, or entitled to public space than than so-called "DINKS with dogs". (How interesting that you know all their marriage/parental/employment status.)

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, a lot more people are ignoring the warnings

Right. Because it’s totally stupid to lock up healthy people. We should quarantine elderly/unhealthy and get on with our lives!!

With a disease that allows asymptomatic people to be contagious, you can't know who's healthy. Getting on with your lives may mean ending somebody else's. Not only does it put at risk every single person you come into contact, but every person they come into contact with as well.

But of course, it's "totally stupid" to consider somebody else's survival to be as important as not disrupting your preferred activities.

I'd like to know, if you do get sick, getting on with your lives, are you going to fend for yourself, or are you going to seek medical help, endangering medical personnel and taking care/resources away from other people who may have gotten sick despite doing whatever they could to avoid the disease?

No. I pay outrageous health insurance premiums to subsidize all the people that would be uninsurable without a group plan (aka all the high risk people for covid.) So on the off chance I need health care I will definitely be taking it.

Gee, I thought my health insurance was expensive, but I guess I've got a bargain, because I know my premiums aren't enough to buy even one person's life, let alone an unknown number. What's the going rate for a life?

Reading comprehension fail.

I was simply saying I pay for my own healthcare and subsidize others, so I won’t hesitate to get care if I do need it.

But presumably you were responding to my question which was addressed to those who needed health care because they felt that "living their life" (partying with friends, antiquing, etc.), was more important than the lives of everybody they came in contact with (including the health care personnel they might eventually ask to save their life). Do you feel that your insurance premiums justify you deliberately putting your convenience over somebody else's life?

I hope that everybody who gets sick gets the best care possible and has a successful outcome. However, I would prefer that people stay healthy in the first place. I know that the more people who are sick, the more strain is put on the health care available, worsening probable outcomes. Moreover, I know that even under optimal health care, some people will die (and not just the sick and those with underlying conditions).

Every contact you have with anybody else potentially puts you and them at risk. It also jeopardizes everybody you come into contact with and everybody they come into contact with. You cannot predict who will be affected. In any given interaction, you're right, the chances that either one of you is contagious is negligible and there probably won't be an adverse consequence. However, every single interaction you have, every single interaction they have (which you may have no way of knowing) increases the odds of contagion. Those who ignore guidelines are essentially playing Russian Roulette, but pointing the gun at everybody they interact with. Maybe you feel entitled to take that risk for yourself, but nothing entitles you to take it for others.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve been following SAH orders pretty much to the tee. No socializing, 1 person getting the groceries as infrequently as possible, contactless delivery, not visiting grandparents, etc. We’ve been on walks and I had to go to the doctor but other than that, not out just doing stuff. Today we just went for a drive and all up rt 15 are open ANTIQUE stores... tiny little stores filled with people in them. I saw a mass of teens congregating at a small dirt beach at the creek on my walk , a herd of tweens biking ... people are really just out here doing whatever. You would NEVER know there was such a thing as stay at home in place. I feel like a freaking idiot, we’ve done everything right for 8 weeks and it seems like half of northern Virginia is just life as usual. Wtf!

Well some people look at the numbers and make decisions based in facts not fear.

People under 60 need to stay home. Fat people need to stay home. Everyone else should treat this like the flu. Period.

Many of you need to get your anxiety under control

+1 ^^

Looking at the numbers, I don't understand this paralyzing fear. Yes, there's risk. And 6 ft apart, masks, washing hands frequently, etc (minus the masks, dobt people wash hands and make space pre-Covid?) lowers that risk.

There are like 8 million people on VA. 500 (sadly died). 15k are (+). Not very scarey.
Unemployment rates; now that is scarey.

You have this attitude because you are not in the high risk group or do not know someone who has died from this. Shame on you.

What about asthmatics, those who have heart disease, auto-immune deficiencies? They should not be exposed to idiots who have COVID-19 but may not be showing symptoms. If they get this virus they will die! Some people must go to work and cannot afford to be exposed to asymptomatic carriers just because they don’t feel like wearing a mask or staying 6 feet away. I don’t want to lose my life because of them. If some of us get COVID-19 our chances of survival are next to none because we have simple medical issues like asthma.

Put a mask on people!

Okay, please understand how irrational you are being now. I agree, we should all stay in a little longer, but you are not helping the case with your over the top hysteria. In fact, even in the high risk group, you are still LESS likely to die of COVID than to die. Much much much more likely not to die. Chances of survival next to none?? If your anxiety is so high that you cannot understand the basic facts, then yes, you just need to stay home.

I do understand what you are saying. Just to clarify...asthmatics will most likely end up on a ventilator. According to the news reports, that is where it gets bad in terms of the survival rate.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, a lot more people are ignoring the warnings

Right. Because it’s totally stupid to lock up healthy people. We should quarantine elderly/unhealthy and get on with our lives!!

With a disease that allows asymptomatic people to be contagious, you can't know who's healthy. Getting on with your lives may mean ending somebody else's. Not only does it put at risk every single person you come into contact, but every person they come into contact with as well.

But of course, it's "totally stupid" to consider somebody else's survival to be as important as not disrupting your preferred activities.

I'd like to know, if you do get sick, getting on with your lives, are you going to fend for yourself, or are you going to seek medical help, endangering medical personnel and taking care/resources away from other people who may have gotten sick despite doing whatever they could to avoid the disease?

No. I pay outrageous health insurance premiums to subsidize all the people that would be uninsurable without a group plan (aka all the high risk people for covid.) So on the off chance I need health care I will definitely be taking it.

Gee, I thought my health insurance was expensive, but I guess I've got a bargain, because I know my premiums aren't enough to buy even one person's life, let alone an unknown number. What's the going rate for a life?

Reading comprehension fail.

I was simply saying I pay for my own healthcare and subsidize others, so I won’t hesitate to get care if I do need it.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, a lot more people are ignoring the warnings

Right. Because it’s totally stupid to lock up healthy people. We should quarantine elderly/unhealthy and get on with our lives!!

With a disease that allows asymptomatic people to be contagious, you can't know who's healthy. Getting on with your lives may mean ending somebody else's. Not only does it put at risk every single person you come into contact, but every person they come into contact with as well.

But of course, it's "totally stupid" to consider somebody else's survival to be as important as not disrupting your preferred activities.

I'd like to know, if you do get sick, getting on with your lives, are you going to fend for yourself, or are you going to seek medical help, endangering medical personnel and taking care/resources away from other people who may have gotten sick despite doing whatever they could to avoid the disease?

No. I pay outrageous health insurance premiums to subsidize all the people that would be uninsurable without a group plan (aka all the high risk people for covid.) So on the off chance I need health care I will definitely be taking it.

Gee, I thought my health insurance was expensive, but I guess I've got a bargain, because I know my premiums aren't enough to buy even one person's life, let alone an unknown number. What's the going rate for a life?

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Anonymous wrote:Fine for now. There will be a resurgence in about 2 weeks. The numbers in The DMV are still going up everyday.

Yep. The "my neighbors didn't really distance and they're fine" poster and his ilk deserve to watch as people around them get sick in weeks to come. Do they just plug their ears and cover their eyes when there are accounts of how long infection can take to show up? Do they not want to admit that you can feel fine and have no symptoms and be infectious to others?

Ignorance and arrogance will make this last and last but they value watching flyovers and holding backyard parties over the health of strangers they might infect.

My neighbors have been fine for 7 weeks. Is it a 7 week incubation now?

Your neighbors are fortunate. Let’s hope they stay that way. You and your neighbors are lucky that your family has not been hit by and that you don’t know anyone who has lost a family member or friend to this awful virus. It seems that people have on blinders until it affects them personally. Let’s hope you all are not affected.

Perhaps. Or perhaps the sky is not falling after all.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine for now. There will be a resurgence in about 2 weeks. The numbers in The DMV are still going up everyday.

Yep. The "my neighbors didn't really distance and they're fine" poster and his ilk deserve to watch as people around them get sick in weeks to come. Do they just plug their ears and cover their eyes when there are accounts of how long infection can take to show up? Do they not want to admit that you can feel fine and have no symptoms and be infectious to others?

Ignorance and arrogance will make this last and last but they value watching flyovers and holding backyard parties over the health of strangers they might infect.

My neighbors have been fine for 7 weeks. Is it a 7 week incubation now?

Your neighbors are fortunate. Let’s hope they stay that way. You and your neighbors are lucky that your family has not been hit by and that you don’t know anyone who has lost a family member or friend to this awful virus. It seems that people have on blinders until it affects them personally. Let’s hope you all are not affected.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine for now. There will be a resurgence in about 2 weeks. The numbers in The DMV are still going up everyday.

Yep. The "my neighbors didn't really distance and they're fine" poster and his ilk deserve to watch as people around them get sick in weeks to come. Do they just plug their ears and cover their eyes when there are accounts of how long infection can take to show up? Do they not want to admit that you can feel fine and have no symptoms and be infectious to others?

Ignorance and arrogance will make this last and last but they value watching flyovers and holding backyard parties over the health of strangers they might infect.

My neighbors have been fine for 7 weeks. Is it a 7 week incubation now?

No, two weeks. They will be sick two weeks from now. Everything is always always two weeks away.

Anonymous wrote:People get lax every weekend. What we need is some rainy, cold weekends.

But people need to post where they live exactly - as in what street- bc this isn’t a NOVA thing across the board. I’m in Ballston - tons of high rises with millennials who you’d think wouldn’t care bc they’re so young and have dogs to walk and coffees to get. It is EMPTY. I can see 4 streets from where I am — 2 major ones, 2 residential ones — as well as a small grassy area with benches etc. I have never seen more than 10-12 people out across that 5 block radius and the ones that are out aren’t separated by 6 ft but more like 100 ft.

So yeah I think people are looking for excuses to do what they want under the guise of “if others aren’t following the rules, why should I??” Suit yourself but you know you’re lying to yourself.

I live in a leafy UMC manicured subdivision in Nova. Tons of people out yesterday. Tons. Lots of lawn chairs and fire pits, and kids biking together etc.