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Anonymous wrote:I am a millennial and start 95% of my emails with "Bob,". I get to the point and use as few words as possible. I do not care if you are having a good morning or if you had a great weekend.

But you are at least addressing the person.

You aren't just throwing down your request without a pleasantry, no slam bam thank you m'am!

Also a millennial but I do include greetings/ pleasantries with most of my colleagues. We are in a medium size office with a very diverse group of people. I like my colleagues and I like the niceties!

Anonymous wrote:I am a millennial and start 95% of my emails with "Bob,". I get to the point and use as few words as possible. I do not care if you are having a good morning or if you had a great weekend.

But you are at least addressing the person.

You aren't just throwing down your request without a pleasantry, no slam bam thank you m'am!

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Anonymous wrote:emails are NOT formal. when email first launched, and yes, I must be a dinosaur, they were meant to be a quick form of communication

I hate all the flowery language some people use. Just get.to. the.point

+1: This is me. I’m direct and to the point in emails. My boss and many of my co-workers are not, which led to my boss admonishing me for being “aggressive” and “angry” in emails. I explained to him I am direct, not aggressive or angry. Flowery language is not necessary in an email.

There is a difference between flowery and being courteous. Saying hello is no skin off your back. If your boss has talked to you about it, sounds like you are coming off as aggressive. That’s your office culture. You probably came off as angry and aggressive in your defense.

+1 If your boss has to speak to you about it then you're the problem, not him. Try to adapt a little. It won't kill you.

Doubt it, we joke at work ... women always get the "your emails are aggressive" BS meeting. We joke that we need to create a training class on how not to be a pu$$y at work for men.

Get over it. We even pulled a few emails from men and compared them to women's emails... guess what just the same.

You were just socialized to have women pat you on the head ever turn, you need to just relax and stop the need to be coddled so much.

How is that for aggressive.

You wouldn't walk up to me in real life, skip the greeting, stick your hand in my face, and say "Send me the memo," right? Same for emails. There's a human being on the other side of the screen that you have a professional relationship with. You need to treat them with basic respect. If that means saying "Hi Larla" followed by a full sentence and saying thank you, then so be it.

Some of ya'll would die at my job. In the last few weeks, not only does every email start with a greeting, but also "I hope you're doing well under the circumstances." Closings frequently include, "let me know if you are having any difficulties in the current environment."

^OMG - that would drive me crazy. I don't need to get all chummy in email. I don't need my boss to know how many kids I have or what I did over the weekend (she knows all of this). Work is for getting things done. I think, as some have said, it depends on what you do. If I was in sales, then yeah, I'd put out those kinds of greetings. Otherwise, email is about conveying or receiving information.

PP here. I'm a lawyer, formerly in biglaw. I much prefer these pleasantries (which I can quickly skim) than the terse 10pm Friday email demanding something by Sunday morning. And, when making such an unreasonable request, no greeting, salutation, or thanks in advance.

My current office is very friendly and family-oriented. I work with a group of really nice people. The same tone that folks would strike in person is present via email.

+1. Lawyer as well and all the easy to work with lawyers I know use pleasantries, which are part of the soft skills that makes one a good subordinate and client manager. The cut to the chase people are coming in with the employee mindset to just get the pipes repaired without much aforethought of maintaining employee/client/colleague relationships.

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Anonymous wrote:emails are NOT formal. when email first launched, and yes, I must be a dinosaur, they were meant to be a quick form of communication

I hate all the flowery language some people use. Just get.to. the.point

+1: This is me. I’m direct and to the point in emails. My boss and many of my co-workers are not, which led to my boss admonishing me for being “aggressive” and “angry” in emails. I explained to him I am direct, not aggressive or angry. Flowery language is not necessary in an email.

There is a difference between flowery and being courteous. Saying hello is no skin off your back. If your boss has talked to you about it, sounds like you are coming off as aggressive. That’s your office culture. You probably came off as angry and aggressive in your defense.

+1 If your boss has to speak to you about it then you're the problem, not him. Try to adapt a little. It won't kill you.

Doubt it, we joke at work ... women always get the "your emails are aggressive" BS meeting. We joke that we need to create a training class on how not to be a pu$$y at work for men.

Get over it. We even pulled a few emails from men and compared them to women's emails... guess what just the same.

You were just socialized to have women pat you on the head ever turn, you need to just relax and stop the need to be coddled so much.

How is that for aggressive.

You wouldn't walk up to me in real life, skip the greeting, stick your hand in my face, and say "Send me the memo," right? Same for emails. There's a human being on the other side of the screen that you have a professional relationship with. You need to treat them with basic respect. If that means saying "Hi Larla" followed by a full sentence and saying thank you, then so be it.

Some of ya'll would die at my job. In the last few weeks, not only does every email start with a greeting, but also "I hope you're doing well under the circumstances." Closings frequently include, "let me know if you are having any difficulties in the current environment."

^OMG - that would drive me crazy. I don't need to get all chummy in email. I don't need my boss to know how many kids I have or what I did over the weekend (she knows all of this). Work is for getting things done. I think, as some have said, it depends on what you do. If I was in sales, then yeah, I'd put out those kinds of greetings. Otherwise, email is about conveying or receiving information.

PP here. I'm a lawyer, formerly in biglaw. I much prefer these pleasantries (which I can quickly skim) than the terse 10pm Friday email demanding something by Sunday morning. And, when making such an unreasonable request, no greeting, salutation, or thanks in advance.

My current office is very friendly and family-oriented. I work with a group of really nice people. The same tone that folks would strike in person is present via email.

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Anonymous wrote:emails are NOT formal. when email first launched, and yes, I must be a dinosaur, they were meant to be a quick form of communication

I hate all the flowery language some people use. Just get.to. the.point

+1: This is me. I’m direct and to the point in emails. My boss and many of my co-workers are not, which led to my boss admonishing me for being “aggressive” and “angry” in emails. I explained to him I am direct, not aggressive or angry. Flowery language is not necessary in an email.

There is a difference between flowery and being courteous. Saying hello is no skin off your back. If your boss has talked to you about it, sounds like you are coming off as aggressive. That’s your office culture. You probably came off as angry and aggressive in your defense.

+1 If your boss has to speak to you about it then you're the problem, not him. Try to adapt a little. It won't kill you.

Doubt it, we joke at work ... women always get the "your emails are aggressive" BS meeting. We joke that we need to create a training class on how not to be a pu$$y at work for men.

Get over it. We even pulled a few emails from men and compared them to women's emails... guess what just the same.

You were just socialized to have women pat you on the head ever turn, you need to just relax and stop the need to be coddled so much.

How is that for aggressive.

You wouldn't walk up to me in real life, skip the greeting, stick your hand in my face, and say "Send me the memo," right? Same for emails. There's a human being on the other side of the screen that you have a professional relationship with. You need to treat them with basic respect. If that means saying "Hi Larla" followed by a full sentence and saying thank you, then so be it.

Some of ya'll would die at my job. In the last few weeks, not only does every email start with a greeting, but also "I hope you're doing well under the circumstances." Closings frequently include, "let me know if you are having any difficulties in the current environment."

^OMG - that would drive me crazy. I don't need to get all chummy in email. I don't need my boss to know how many kids I have or what I did over the weekend (she knows all of this). Work is for getting things done. I think, as some have said, it depends on what you do. If I was in sales, then yeah, I'd put out those kinds of greetings. Otherwise, email is about conveying or receiving information.

I wish the “Good morning” or “Good afternoon” trend would end. Spare me the contrived pleasantries and get to the point.

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Anonymous wrote:emails are NOT formal. when email first launched, and yes, I must be a dinosaur, they were meant to be a quick form of communication

I hate all the flowery language some people use. Just get.to. the.point

+1: This is me. I’m direct and to the point in emails. My boss and many of my co-workers are not, which led to my boss admonishing me for being “aggressive” and “angry” in emails. I explained to him I am direct, not aggressive or angry. Flowery language is not necessary in an email.

There is a difference between flowery and being courteous. Saying hello is no skin off your back. If your boss has talked to you about it, sounds like you are coming off as aggressive. That’s your office culture. You probably came off as angry and aggressive in your defense.

+1 If your boss has to speak to you about it then you're the problem, not him. Try to adapt a little. It won't kill you.

Doubt it, we joke at work ... women always get the "your emails are aggressive" BS meeting. We joke that we need to create a training class on how not to be a pu$$y at work for men.

Get over it. We even pulled a few emails from men and compared them to women's emails... guess what just the same.

You were just socialized to have women pat you on the head ever turn, you need to just relax and stop the need to be coddled so much.

How is that for aggressive.

NP. Women are more abrasive at work, but it's their attitudes and communications, not emails. The biggest male jerks at my work are still friendly in the office. I feel like men can code switch easier with being friends with someone while still demanding a work product. My current female boss couldn't even tell you how many children I have and her emails and in person communications are aggressive.

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Anonymous wrote:emails are NOT formal. when email first launched, and yes, I must be a dinosaur, they were meant to be a quick form of communication

I hate all the flowery language some people use. Just get.to. the.point

+1: This is me. I’m direct and to the point in emails. My boss and many of my co-workers are not, which led to my boss admonishing me for being “aggressive” and “angry” in emails. I explained to him I am direct, not aggressive or angry. Flowery language is not necessary in an email.

There is a difference between flowery and being courteous. Saying hello is no skin off your back. If your boss has talked to you about it, sounds like you are coming off as aggressive. That’s your office culture. You probably came off as angry and aggressive in your defense.

+1 If your boss has to speak to you about it then you're the problem, not him. Try to adapt a little. It won't kill you.

Doubt it, we joke at work ... women always get the "your emails are aggressive" BS meeting. We joke that we need to create a training class on how not to be a pu$$y at work for men.

Get over it. We even pulled a few emails from men and compared them to women's emails... guess what just the same.

You were just socialized to have women pat you on the head ever turn, you need to just relax and stop the need to be coddled so much.

How is that for aggressive.

You wouldn't walk up to me in real life, skip the greeting, stick your hand in my face, and say "Send me the memo," right? Same for emails. There's a human being on the other side of the screen that you have a professional relationship with. You need to treat them with basic respect. If that means saying "Hi Larla" followed by a full sentence and saying thank you, then so be it.

Some of ya'll would die at my job. In the last few weeks, not only does every email start with a greeting, but also "I hope you're doing well under the circumstances." Closings frequently include, "let me know if you are having any difficulties in the current environment."

This. This is why it comes across as rude in an email to abruptly burst into demands without a proper greeting--- because you would not do the same in person nor over the phone. Over the phone or in person would require a proper intro/greeting. Emails should be treated in the same manner.

I don’t answer the phone “hi!” At work. It’s “Larla Jones, ABC company”
Most people say back “this is Larlo Smith from DEF company calling about xyz”
Very few pleasantries.
there is one guy from the Midwest that always include a lot of pleasantries. He’s the only one.

Two different scenarios and two different communication mediums. I believe OP and a lot of PP were referring to communications between colleagues and not with clients. But to play along the client context, client calls rarely go without pleasantries because pleasantries are part of the client management experience, like "hey Larlo, how's it going in DC...blah blah blah.." They are a time-suck. The only scenario I can only imagine PP's phone scenario is cold-calling, but 8 times out of 10, you'd still need some form of pleasantry to lure the client and being abrupt won't work. Phone calls are actually much worse than emails because at least in an email you can skip reading the pleasantries, but on the phone you can't be like "Larlo, god dammit, just cut to the chase!"

I can't stand all that crap in an email. Get to the point so I can delete or respond, and move along. Worst is of course, is when you end with "have a blessed day." It's a workplace, not a place of worship. Unless you work at a church...

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Anonymous wrote:emails are NOT formal. when email first launched, and yes, I must be a dinosaur, they were meant to be a quick form of communication

I hate all the flowery language some people use. Just get.to. the.point

+1: This is me. I’m direct and to the point in emails. My boss and many of my co-workers are not, which led to my boss admonishing me for being “aggressive” and “angry” in emails. I explained to him I am direct, not aggressive or angry. Flowery language is not necessary in an email.

There is a difference between flowery and being courteous. Saying hello is no skin off your back. If your boss has talked to you about it, sounds like you are coming off as aggressive. That’s your office culture. You probably came off as angry and aggressive in your defense.

+1 If your boss has to speak to you about it then you're the problem, not him. Try to adapt a little. It won't kill you.

Doubt it, we joke at work ... women always get the "your emails are aggressive" BS meeting. We joke that we need to create a training class on how not to be a pu$$y at work for men.

Get over it. We even pulled a few emails from men and compared them to women's emails... guess what just the same.

You were just socialized to have women pat you on the head ever turn, you need to just relax and stop the need to be coddled so much.

How is that for aggressive.

You wouldn't walk up to me in real life, skip the greeting, stick your hand in my face, and say "Send me the memo," right? Same for emails. There's a human being on the other side of the screen that you have a professional relationship with. You need to treat them with basic respect. If that means saying "Hi Larla" followed by a full sentence and saying thank you, then so be it.

Some of ya'll would die at my job. In the last few weeks, not only does every email start with a greeting, but also "I hope you're doing well under the circumstances." Closings frequently include, "let me know if you are having any difficulties in the current environment."

This. This is why it comes across as rude in an email to abruptly burst into demands without a proper greeting--- because you would not do the same in person nor over the phone. Over the phone or in person would require a proper intro/greeting. Emails should be treated in the same manner.

I don’t answer the phone “hi!” At work. It’s “Larla Jones, ABC company”
Most people say back “this is Larlo Smith from DEF company calling about xyz”
Very few pleasantries.
there is one guy from the Midwest that always include a lot of pleasantries. He’s the only one.

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Anonymous wrote:emails are NOT formal. when email first launched, and yes, I must be a dinosaur, they were meant to be a quick form of communication

I hate all the flowery language some people use. Just get.to. the.point

+1: This is me. I’m direct and to the point in emails. My boss and many of my co-workers are not, which led to my boss admonishing me for being “aggressive” and “angry” in emails. I explained to him I am direct, not aggressive or angry. Flowery language is not necessary in an email.

There is a difference between flowery and being courteous. Saying hello is no skin off your back. If your boss has talked to you about it, sounds like you are coming off as aggressive. That’s your office culture. You probably came off as angry and aggressive in your defense.

+1 If your boss has to speak to you about it then you're the problem, not him. Try to adapt a little. It won't kill you.

Doubt it, we joke at work ... women always get the "your emails are aggressive" BS meeting. We joke that we need to create a training class on how not to be a pu$$y at work for men.

Get over it. We even pulled a few emails from men and compared them to women's emails... guess what just the same.

You were just socialized to have women pat you on the head ever turn, you need to just relax and stop the need to be coddled so much.

How is that for aggressive.

You wouldn't walk up to me in real life, skip the greeting, stick your hand in my face, and say "Send me the memo," right? Same for emails. There's a human being on the other side of the screen that you have a professional relationship with. You need to treat them with basic respect. If that means saying "Hi Larla" followed by a full sentence and saying thank you, then so be it.

Some of ya'll would die at my job. In the last few weeks, not only does every email start with a greeting, but also "I hope you're doing well under the circumstances." Closings frequently include, "let me know if you are having any difficulties in the current environment."

This. This is why it comes across as rude in an email to abruptly burst into demands without a proper greeting--- because you would not do the same in person nor over the phone. Over the phone or in person would require a proper intro/greeting. Emails should be treated in the same manner.

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Anonymous wrote:emails are NOT formal. when email first launched, and yes, I must be a dinosaur, they were meant to be a quick form of communication

I hate all the flowery language some people use. Just get.to. the.point

+1: This is me. I’m direct and to the point in emails. My boss and many of my co-workers are not, which led to my boss admonishing me for being “aggressive” and “angry” in emails. I explained to him I am direct, not aggressive or angry. Flowery language is not necessary in an email.

There is a difference between flowery and being courteous. Saying hello is no skin off your back. If your boss has talked to you about it, sounds like you are coming off as aggressive. That’s your office culture. You probably came off as angry and aggressive in your defense.

+1 If your boss has to speak to you about it then you're the problem, not him. Try to adapt a little. It won't kill you.

Doubt it, we joke at work ... women always get the "your emails are aggressive" BS meeting. We joke that we need to create a training class on how not to be a pu$$y at work for men.

Get over it. We even pulled a few emails from men and compared them to women's emails... guess what just the same.

You were just socialized to have women pat you on the head ever turn, you need to just relax and stop the need to be coddled so much.

How is that for aggressive.

Ok, so you have a chip on your shoulder and something to prove. Got it!