Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:49     Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
If Drs. Fauci and Birx are indeed experts to be trusted, are we to assume, then, that the administration's phased reopening plan, with the ball in states' court, with federal assistance as appropriate, has no basis in rational thought? Or are we assuming that they have become beholden to Trump and are merely doing the best they can in tough circumstances, due to Trump's egomania and other faults? If the latter, shouldn't they resign? I'm just trying to separate out the political from the rest of it, and I hope that folks are not letting their political preferences drive their opinions.
jsteele
Post 04/17/2020 17:38     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
January, February...wait, what was going on then, which Dems told us was the most important and urgent thing to address!


So, you agree that Trump's response to the epidemic was a failure? BTW, Joe Biden predicted that Trump would fail way back in January:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/27/coronavirus-donald-trump-made-us-less-prepared-joe-biden-column/4581710002/

Given Trump's failure to respond to the epidemic are you willing to trust him to reopen things? Are you willing to put your and your family's health in his hands? If so, please go first. Don't expect others to take risks that you won't.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:35     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is Trump supporters think social distancing and stay at home orders are for Liberal pu££ies. Trump politicized this whole thing when he said it was a hoax.


C’mon. The polls show the strong majority of Republicans favor social distancing for a longer period over too-soon reopenings. Try not to see things in such a binary way.


Since when are conservatives Trump supporters? Trump supporters are a small subsection of conservatives. A vocal subsection that the rest of the party can’t seem to stand up to but a small percentage nonetheless.


What planet are you living on? The last two republicans that openly criticized Trump and still held onto their seat were McCain and Romney. One is dead and the other is actively being shunned by his own party.



I think traditional Conservatives can’t stand up to Trump and his stupid supporters. Look at Lindsay Graham he completely caved. The GOP have been courting the fanatics for years and now they’re stuck with them because they don’t have the balls to take their party back from the fanatics.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:32     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is Trump supporters think social distancing and stay at home orders are for Liberal pu££ies. Trump politicized this whole thing when he said it was a hoax.


C’mon. The polls show the strong majority of Republicans favor social distancing for a longer period over too-soon reopenings. Try not to see things in such a binary way.


Since when are conservatives Trump supporters? Trump supporters are a small subsection of conservatives. A vocal subsection that the rest of the party can’t seem to stand up to but a small percentage nonetheless.


What planet are you living on? The last two republicans that openly criticized Trump and still held onto their seat were McCain and Romney. One is dead and the other is actively being shunned by his own party.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:31     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:1. Which WHO test are you referring to?
2. Where exactly are these WHO tests?


I am not sure if you are just being argumentative or you really want to know. But a German laboratory developed a coronavirus test that was adopted by the WHO and offered to other countries. The US developed its own test which was initially flawed. I am not sure which countries are using the WHO test now, but I believe Germany is since it was developed there.



Am very interested in more info about this German test. Is there a name to it, or a company name?


Roche Molecular Systems


FDA approved mid-March: https://www.medtechdive.com/news/coronavirus-roche-test-fda-emergency-use/574073/


That perfectly demonstrates the problem. We should have been testing from January. Trump cost us the entire month of February and half of March downplaying the epidemic.


January, February...wait, what was going on then, which Dems told us was the most important and urgent thing to address!
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:28     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is Trump supporters think social distancing and stay at home orders are for Liberal pu££ies. Trump politicized this whole thing when he said it was a hoax.


C’mon. The polls show the strong majority of Republicans favor social distancing for a longer period over too-soon reopenings. Try not to see things in such a binary way.


Since when are conservatives Trump supporters? Trump supporters are a small subsection of conservatives. A vocal subsection that the rest of the party can’t seem to stand up to but a small percentage nonetheless.

There’s hardly any daylight between Republicans and Trumpsters.


Huh?
jsteele
Post 04/17/2020 17:23     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:1. Which WHO test are you referring to?
2. Where exactly are these WHO tests?


I am not sure if you are just being argumentative or you really want to know. But a German laboratory developed a coronavirus test that was adopted by the WHO and offered to other countries. The US developed its own test which was initially flawed. I am not sure which countries are using the WHO test now, but I believe Germany is since it was developed there.



Am very interested in more info about this German test. Is there a name to it, or a company name?


Roche Molecular Systems


FDA approved mid-March: https://www.medtechdive.com/news/coronavirus-roche-test-fda-emergency-use/574073/


That perfectly demonstrates the problem. We should have been testing from January. Trump cost us the entire month of February and half of March downplaying the epidemic.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:21     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is Trump supporters think social distancing and stay at home orders are for Liberal pu££ies. Trump politicized this whole thing when he said it was a hoax.


That is such BS. I see the liberals thinking there is nothing between full shut down and opening as business as usual.

And, as for your second comment..... read and learn......




You can rationalize Trump as much as FoxNews tells you to I do not care. His lame brain supporters heard it as a hoax. It’s fine with me if State re-open. I just don’t feel sorry for the people who catch it because they needed to “stick it to the Libtards.”
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:20     Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.


They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.


And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.


Prove it. Go get it and report back in three weeks. Tell us how mild it is.


Had it. It was quite mild for me.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:20     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is Trump supporters think social distancing and stay at home orders are for Liberal pu££ies. Trump politicized this whole thing when he said it was a hoax.


C’mon. The polls show the strong majority of Republicans favor social distancing for a longer period over too-soon reopenings. Try not to see things in such a binary way.


Since when are conservatives Trump supporters? Trump supporters are a small subsection of conservatives. A vocal subsection that the rest of the party can’t seem to stand up to but a small percentage nonetheless.

There’s hardly any daylight between Republicans and Trumpsters.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:19     Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.


They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.


And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.

Exactly. I mean just look at VA’s number of deaths. For a state this big, we have 231 deaths. Most of those deaths are coming from people over 70 years old with other complications. I mean, yeah I understand social distancing and whatnot, but is all of this worth it for such a low number of people?

For all the people who give the stats on car accidents, the flu, a shooting, etc as being risks that are just as deadly....it’s hard to argue against them at this point.

I’m game for doing this for another month. But if the numbers remain low, people are going to be pissed off if they’re losing their livelihoods just because 300 people died.


Maybe give this a bit more thought? Social distancing has kept death numbers low so you want to end social distancing? That's like building a levee to prevent floods and then dismantling it because you haven't had a flood.

We have to take the necessary steps to prevent a resurgence before we can re-open safely. Of course, if you want to open unsafely, please go first.


Yeah but we can’t do it forever. That’s all I’m saying. 2-3 months is acceptable. Anymore than that is just overkill, especially if we aren’t seeing the numbers drastically jump up. We can’t live in fear forever.

TB and Ebola are much deadlier and as easy to spread as COVID. We aren’t doing the same thing for that. But can’t put everyone lives on hold for 6 months for that long for something that has a low death rate.


Why the need to make these fatuous comparisons? I'm not sure there are any Ebola cases in the US right now and when we last had an outbreak there were two deaths. TB is a major problem in some countries, but we have something like 8,000 TB cases (not deaths) in a year. That's a couple weeks worth of COVID-19 deaths at this point.

Yes, other things could theoretically be worse but they're not, this is.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:18     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is Trump supporters think social distancing and stay at home orders are for Liberal pu££ies. Trump politicized this whole thing when he said it was a hoax.


That is such BS. I see the liberals thinking there is nothing between full shut down and opening as business as usual.

And, as for your second comment..... read and learn......


Trump lies so much, it’s impossible to believe him even if he’s not.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:18     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is Trump supporters think social distancing and stay at home orders are for Liberal pu££ies. Trump politicized this whole thing when he said it was a hoax.


That is such BS. I see the liberals thinking there is nothing between full shut down and opening as business as usual.

And, as for your second comment..... read and learn......




Good luck discussing facts with paranoid conspiracy theorists.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:17     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is Trump supporters think social distancing and stay at home orders are for Liberal pu££ies. Trump politicized this whole thing when he said it was a hoax.


C’mon. The polls show the strong majority of Republicans favor social distancing for a longer period over too-soon reopenings. Try not to see things in such a binary way.


Since when are conservatives Trump supporters? Trump supporters are a small subsection of conservatives. A vocal subsection that the rest of the party can’t seem to stand up to but a small percentage nonetheless.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:17     Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:1. Which WHO test are you referring to?
2. Where exactly are these WHO tests?


I am not sure if you are just being argumentative or you really want to know. But a German laboratory developed a coronavirus test that was adopted by the WHO and offered to other countries. The US developed its own test which was initially flawed. I am not sure which countries are using the WHO test now, but I believe Germany is since it was developed there.



Am very interested in more info about this German test. Is there a name to it, or a company name?


Roche Molecular Systems


FDA approved mid-March: https://www.medtechdive.com/news/coronavirus-roche-test-fda-emergency-use/574073/