Anonymous wrote:The re-opening is not going to be by entire states. It's going to be counties/regions within the states.

So let's say, the Roanoke valley region will likely open before the Northern VA region. NoVa will likely be in a pact with DC and MD, so will open together. PA could do the same thing if that's what their governor decides.

The data from each county/region will be looked at to decide, so while NYC may have played a factor in other states before it's not so much now.

The PA state assembly passed a bill requesting the governor to effectively allow this to happen and the governor vetoed it.

IT will be statewide everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of lobbying work and have heard from a number of people that the region's leaders will soon agree on June 10 as target for reopening

Ohio already announced reopening starting on May 1st. Texas and Florida and most of the south and parts of the midwest will likely follow suit. They have low levels of cases. Michigan is the anomaly in the midwest.

If large parts of the country starts reopening it'll be hard for the mid Atlantic states to hold off reopening for another whole month past the 15th. The political and economic pressures will be too great. My money is still on the 15th as the beginning of the formal reopening. We can't let NYC dictate to Maryland or Virginia when to reopen.

Your choice of words is odd. NY isn't "dictating" -- we are seeing from their situation what to avoid. Also, a very large part of "business as usual" on the East coast is travel to and from NY to all the cities up and down the coast.

In other words, NY is dictating what the surrounding states will do despite that MD or VA or PA never saw anywhere near the infection levels or hospitalization numbers or rates, even when adjusting for per population basis, as NYC. Put it this way, Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down because of NYC.

Wha? NY is "dictating" because it has a massive COVID outbreak and is a massively dense and globally/regionally important metro area. Literally nobody said that Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down; but yes, we do need coordination in the Northeast Corridor to deal with the obvious ramifications of travel to and from NYC.

The orders are being issued statewide by the governors. Tom Wolfe, for example, is refusing to allow PA to reopen because he is in a pact with the governors of New York and New Jersey. Put it this way, a lot of PA is closer to Ohio than New York and get minimal direct travel from NY, but still need to shut down, even if it's rural towns deep in the hinterlands.

In other words, New York is dictating what the surrounding states will do in terms of reopening. It's quite simple and why you want to avoid accepting it is weird.

If travel from NYC was that problematic we'd have seen a lot more spikes in Philadelphia and Baltimore and DC but we didn't.... so....

where are you getting the news that PA is being “dictated” by NY?

and NYC and NJ locked down travel - what do you think will happen in DC if we go back to business travel as usual in 2 weeks?

Even with gradual opening up, we’re not going back to business travel as usual in 2 weeks.

of course not, travel will be the last thing to come back.

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Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of lobbying work and have heard from a number of people that the region's leaders will soon agree on June 10 as target for reopening

Ohio already announced reopening starting on May 1st. Texas and Florida and most of the south and parts of the midwest will likely follow suit. They have low levels of cases. Michigan is the anomaly in the midwest.

If large parts of the country starts reopening it'll be hard for the mid Atlantic states to hold off reopening for another whole month past the 15th. The political and economic pressures will be too great. My money is still on the 15th as the beginning of the formal reopening. We can't let NYC dictate to Maryland or Virginia when to reopen.

I agree, VA’s stay at home order can be modified.

Really hoping May 15 is the date around here for Phase 1. Schools will still be closed but we can start opening back up. This area would have practiced social distancing for 2 months by then. We are supposedly at or very close to our Apex now.

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Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of lobbying work and have heard from a number of people that the region's leaders will soon agree on June 10 as target for reopening

Ohio already announced reopening starting on May 1st. Texas and Florida and most of the south and parts of the midwest will likely follow suit. They have low levels of cases. Michigan is the anomaly in the midwest.

If large parts of the country starts reopening it'll be hard for the mid Atlantic states to hold off reopening for another whole month past the 15th. The political and economic pressures will be too great. My money is still on the 15th as the beginning of the formal reopening. We can't let NYC dictate to Maryland or Virginia when to reopen.

Your choice of words is odd. NY isn't "dictating" -- we are seeing from their situation what to avoid. Also, a very large part of "business as usual" on the East coast is travel to and from NY to all the cities up and down the coast.

In other words, NY is dictating what the surrounding states will do despite that MD or VA or PA never saw anywhere near the infection levels or hospitalization numbers or rates, even when adjusting for per population basis, as NYC. Put it this way, Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down because of NYC.

Wha? NY is "dictating" because it has a massive COVID outbreak and is a massively dense and globally/regionally important metro area. Literally nobody said that Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down; but yes, we do need coordination in the Northeast Corridor to deal with the obvious ramifications of travel to and from NYC.

The orders are being issued statewide by the governors. Tom Wolfe, for example, is refusing to allow PA to reopen because he is in a pact with the governors of New York and New Jersey. Put it this way, a lot of PA is closer to Ohio than New York and get minimal direct travel from NY, but still need to shut down, even if it's rural towns deep in the hinterlands.

In other words, New York is dictating what the surrounding states will do in terms of reopening. It's quite simple and why you want to avoid accepting it is weird.

If travel from NYC was that problematic we'd have seen a lot more spikes in Philadelphia and Baltimore and DC but we didn't.... so....

where are you getting the news that PA is being “dictated” by NY?

and NYC and NJ locked down travel - what do you think will happen in DC if we go back to business travel as usual in 2 weeks?

Even with gradual opening up, we’re not going back to business travel as usual in 2 weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of lobbying work and have heard from a number of people that the region's leaders will soon agree on June 10 as target for reopening

Ohio already announced reopening starting on May 1st. Texas and Florida and most of the south and parts of the midwest will likely follow suit. They have low levels of cases. Michigan is the anomaly in the midwest.

If large parts of the country starts reopening it'll be hard for the mid Atlantic states to hold off reopening for another whole month past the 15th. The political and economic pressures will be too great. My money is still on the 15th as the beginning of the formal reopening. We can't let NYC dictate to Maryland or Virginia when to reopen.

Your choice of words is odd. NY isn't "dictating" -- we are seeing from their situation what to avoid. Also, a very large part of "business as usual" on the East coast is travel to and from NY to all the cities up and down the coast.

In other words, NY is dictating what the surrounding states will do despite that MD or VA or PA never saw anywhere near the infection levels or hospitalization numbers or rates, even when adjusting for per population basis, as NYC. Put it this way, Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down because of NYC.

Wha? NY is "dictating" because it has a massive COVID outbreak and is a massively dense and globally/regionally important metro area. Literally nobody said that Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down; but yes, we do need coordination in the Northeast Corridor to deal with the obvious ramifications of travel to and from NYC.

The orders are being issued statewide by the governors. Tom Wolfe, for example, is refusing to allow PA to reopen because he is in a pact with the governors of New York and New Jersey. Put it this way, a lot of PA is closer to Ohio than New York and get minimal direct travel from NY, but still need to shut down, even if it's rural towns deep in the hinterlands.

In other words, New York is dictating what the surrounding states will do in terms of reopening. It's quite simple and why you want to avoid accepting it is weird.

If travel from NYC was that problematic we'd have seen a lot more spikes in Philadelphia and Baltimore and DC but we didn't.... so....

where are you getting the news that PA is being “dictated” by NY?

and NYC and NJ locked down travel - what do you think will happen in DC if we go back to business travel as usual in 2 weeks?

The re-opening is not going to be by entire states. It's going to be counties/regions within the states.

So let's say, the Roanoke valley region will likely open before the Northern VA region. NoVa will likely be in a pact with DC and MD, so will open together. PA could do the same thing if that's what their governor decides.

The data from each county/region will be looked at to decide, so while NYC may have played a factor in other states before it's not so much now.

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Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of lobbying work and have heard from a number of people that the region's leaders will soon agree on June 10 as target for reopening

Ohio already announced reopening starting on May 1st. Texas and Florida and most of the south and parts of the midwest will likely follow suit. They have low levels of cases. Michigan is the anomaly in the midwest.

If large parts of the country starts reopening it'll be hard for the mid Atlantic states to hold off reopening for another whole month past the 15th. The political and economic pressures will be too great. My money is still on the 15th as the beginning of the formal reopening. We can't let NYC dictate to Maryland or Virginia when to reopen.

Your choice of words is odd. NY isn't "dictating" -- we are seeing from their situation what to avoid. Also, a very large part of "business as usual" on the East coast is travel to and from NY to all the cities up and down the coast.

In other words, NY is dictating what the surrounding states will do despite that MD or VA or PA never saw anywhere near the infection levels or hospitalization numbers or rates, even when adjusting for per population basis, as NYC. Put it this way, Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down because of NYC.

Wha? NY is "dictating" because it has a massive COVID outbreak and is a massively dense and globally/regionally important metro area. Literally nobody said that Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down; but yes, we do need coordination in the Northeast Corridor to deal with the obvious ramifications of travel to and from NYC.

The orders are being issued statewide by the governors. Tom Wolfe, for example, is refusing to allow PA to reopen because he is in a pact with the governors of New York and New Jersey. Put it this way, a lot of PA is closer to Ohio than New York and get minimal direct travel from NY, but still need to shut down, even if it's rural towns deep in the hinterlands.

In other words, New York is dictating what the surrounding states will do in terms of reopening. It's quite simple and why you want to avoid accepting it is weird.

If travel from NYC was that problematic we'd have seen a lot more spikes in Philadelphia and Baltimore and DC but we didn't.... so....

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Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of lobbying work and have heard from a number of people that the region's leaders will soon agree on June 10 as target for reopening

Ohio already announced reopening starting on May 1st. Texas and Florida and most of the south and parts of the midwest will likely follow suit. They have low levels of cases. Michigan is the anomaly in the midwest.

If large parts of the country starts reopening it'll be hard for the mid Atlantic states to hold off reopening for another whole month past the 15th. The political and economic pressures will be too great. My money is still on the 15th as the beginning of the formal reopening. We can't let NYC dictate to Maryland or Virginia when to reopen.

I agree, VA’s stay at home order can be modified.

It's weird/sad how so many Americans can't see the failure of capitalism in front of them. You are arguing over $1200 and masks, what your government owes you, as you are being asked to risk your health and/or life - or, more accurately, the health/life of the poor and working class - for the wealth of those at the top.

You want to genuinely address people's economic concerns? Moratorium on all bills for three months - no one has to pay rent, mortgage, or any utiliites (including internet/phone) for three months. Every month every household should get a box with face masks and a visa card with some amount of money preloaded for groceries and necessities.

You don't need small business loans if those businesses have no expenses. If I don't have to pay my workers or my rent, and I'm getting cash for food, then I'm good. If my workers don't have to pay their bills and are getting cash for food, they are good. I don't care that my renters aren't paying because I don't have to pay the mortgage. Relatively easy peasy for the true small businesses. Perhaps you would need loans to pay off creditors overseas, but across the board domestic loan forgiveness for at least three months should be the norm. This buys us time to get solid plans for testing and controlled, smart reopenings in place.

The problem with this plan,of cousre, is that the people left holding the bag are those at the top. Not surprisingly, these are the same people who are suddenly very acutely aware of how much their wealth depends on those at the bottom, which is why they are agitating to risk us as all in the name of "the economy."

The current economic system is our own creation - it's not real, it's not some objective reality that exists outside of us. Don't act like we can't change the rules a bit to make things easier on everyone. But once people realize THAT....it may be hard to go back.

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Anonymous wrote:You'll see some essentials open up first week or so of May. By June 1, you'll see quite a bit of movement on this front.

Weather + 2 weeks of social distancing + testing = a vast number of non-essentials open by June 1.

I think schools are done.

Really hoping for exactly this!

Question: By non-essentials, do we mean hair and nail salons? As much as I am clamoring for mine to reopen, would you be nervous about going back? It seems like hair services, cut and color, would be relatively safe, especially if wearing masks. Nails I'm not so sure about, as that involves risk of small cuts.

Too bad we don't have testing. But anyway, I think nail salons tend to have the best hygiene already (most of the techs have been wearing masks for years where I go) so I think that would be the safer of the two.

Anonymous wrote:You'll see some essentials open up first week or so of May. By June 1, you'll see quite a bit of movement on this front.

Weather + 2 weeks of social distancing + testing = a vast number of non-essentials open by June 1.

I think schools are done.

Really hoping for exactly this!

Question: By non-essentials, do we mean hair and nail salons? As much as I am clamoring for mine to reopen, would you be nervous about going back? It seems like hair services, cut and color, would be relatively safe, especially if wearing masks. Nails I'm not so sure about, as that involves risk of small cuts.

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Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of lobbying work and have heard from a number of people that the region's leaders will soon agree on June 10 as target for reopening

Ohio already announced reopening starting on May 1st. Texas and Florida and most of the south and parts of the midwest will likely follow suit. They have low levels of cases. Michigan is the anomaly in the midwest.

If large parts of the country starts reopening it'll be hard for the mid Atlantic states to hold off reopening for another whole month past the 15th. The political and economic pressures will be too great. My money is still on the 15th as the beginning of the formal reopening. We can't let NYC dictate to Maryland or Virginia when to reopen.

Your choice of words is odd. NY isn't "dictating" -- we are seeing from their situation what to avoid. Also, a very large part of "business as usual" on the East coast is travel to and from NY to all the cities up and down the coast.

In other words, NY is dictating what the surrounding states will do despite that MD or VA or PA never saw anywhere near the infection levels or hospitalization numbers or rates, even when adjusting for per population basis, as NYC. Put it this way, Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down because of NYC.

Wha? NY is "dictating" because it has a massive COVID outbreak and is a massively dense and globally/regionally important metro area. Literally nobody said that Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down; but yes, we do need coordination in the Northeast Corridor to deal with the obvious ramifications of travel to and from NYC.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans: how come you get free masks and we don’t?
The rest of the world: I’ll trade you for that $1200 check

Have you seen what other countries are giving out to their citizens? It makes that $1200 look like pennies.

From Newsweek:

UK: 80% of workers' salaries

Denmark: 75% of workers' salaries

S Korea: 70% of workers' salaries

Netherlands: 90% of workers' salaries

Canada: $2k per month

Australia: $1k per month

US: One time $1200 check that may take months to arrive

Maybe if our government taxes our salaries at 50% too, we'd be able to get a larger check.

+1000 If might ease things now, but eventually somebody will have to pay for these benefits.

I thought you guys were all about "reopen now to help the people!" You think that we can't even spare enough governmental resources to get people masks?

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Anonymous wrote:Americans: how come you get free masks and we don’t?
The rest of the world: I’ll trade you for that $1200 check

Have you seen what other countries are giving out to their citizens? It makes that $1200 look like pennies.

From Newsweek:

UK: 80% of workers' salaries

Denmark: 75% of workers' salaries

S Korea: 70% of workers' salaries

Netherlands: 90% of workers' salaries

Canada: $2k per month

Australia: $1k per month

US: One time $1200 check that may take months to arrive

Maybe if our government taxes our salaries at 50% too, we'd be able to get a larger check.

+1000 If might ease things now, but eventually somebody will have to pay for these benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of lobbying work and have heard from a number of people that the region's leaders will soon agree on June 10 as target for reopening

Ohio already announced reopening starting on May 1st. Texas and Florida and most of the south and parts of the midwest will likely follow suit. They have low levels of cases. Michigan is the anomaly in the midwest.

If large parts of the country starts reopening it'll be hard for the mid Atlantic states to hold off reopening for another whole month past the 15th. The political and economic pressures will be too great. My money is still on the 15th as the beginning of the formal reopening. We can't let NYC dictate to Maryland or Virginia when to reopen.

Your choice of words is odd. NY isn't "dictating" -- we are seeing from their situation what to avoid. Also, a very large part of "business as usual" on the East coast is travel to and from NY to all the cities up and down the coast.

In other words, NY is dictating what the surrounding states will do despite that MD or VA or PA never saw anywhere near the infection levels or hospitalization numbers or rates, even when adjusting for per population basis, as NYC. Put it this way, Roanoke and Pittsburgh have to remain shut down because of NYC.