Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 17:51     Subject: Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My uncle drowned years ago in the Chesapeake on Easter weekend early April in a boating accident. He knew how to swim, but the water is just too cold that time of year. even with a lifejacket, the water is like a boa constrictor around your chest, every breath in and it squeezes, until you just cannot breath anymore. Then you either pass out and die of 1) drowning, or 2) hypothermia. Even if they had life jackets, they would not have survived whatsoever. My heart breaks for them.

My uncle's body washed on shore 4 days later. I hope their bodies are found so the family can have some closure.


I'm very sorry for your loss. However, I believe that you are probably wrong about what the outcome would have been in this case had they been wearing life jackets.

They were spotted struggling in their canoe and a call was placed to 911 at 4:49 PM. The Coast Guard responded promptly, and by 7:00 pm, their canoe was recovered.

No one knows exactly when they went into the water, but the temperature in the bay is now in the mid 40s. People survive 1 to 3 hours in 40 to 50 degree water. Life jackets would have kept their heads and a portion of their torsos out of the water and provided insulation, buying them additional time before hypothermia set in.

A total of 19 vessels and 5 aircraft participated in the search. With life vests, they would probably have held on to the canoe or drifted along with it. They would have been found within one to two hours of entering the water would most likely have survived, even if unconscious by then.

They drowned and sank to the bottom when their lungs filled with water. The vessels looking for them probably passed over them several times. In few days, once the process of decomposition fills their chest cavities with gas, they will float to the surface an be spotted or wash up on shore.


I have so many questions. Who else was on the beach with them when this occurred? Were the other kids left alone on the beach while mother and son went out in the canoe? Why would she leave her other kids there alone? Why didn't someone immediately call for help? Why did it wait until a bystander saw them at 4:49 pm? Someone must have been with them on that beach or it wouldn't have been known they went into the water to get a ball. Why the heck didn't someone call for help sooner? So preventable and therefore tragic.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 17:44     Subject: Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Anonymous wrote:My uncle drowned years ago in the Chesapeake on Easter weekend early April in a boating accident. He knew how to swim, but the water is just too cold that time of year. even with a lifejacket, the water is like a boa constrictor around your chest, every breath in and it squeezes, until you just cannot breath anymore. Then you either pass out and die of 1) drowning, or 2) hypothermia. Even if they had life jackets, they would not have survived whatsoever. My heart breaks for them.

My uncle's body washed on shore 4 days later. I hope their bodies are found so the family can have some closure.


I'm very sorry for your loss. However, I believe that you are probably wrong about what the outcome would have been in this case had they been wearing life jackets.

They were spotted struggling in their canoe and a call was placed to 911 at 4:49 PM. The Coast Guard responded promptly, and by 7:00 pm, their canoe was recovered.

No one knows exactly when they went into the water, but the temperature in the bay is now in the mid 40s. People survive 1 to 3 hours in 40 to 50 degree water. Life jackets would have kept their heads and a portion of their torsos out of the water and provided insulation, buying them additional time before hypothermia set in.

A total of 19 vessels and 5 aircraft participated in the search. With life vests, they would probably have held on to the canoe or drifted along with it. They would have been found within one to two hours of entering the water would most likely have survived, even if unconscious by then.

They drowned and sank to the bottom when their lungs filled with water. The vessels looking for them probably passed over them several times. In few days, once the process of decomposition fills their chest cavities with gas, they will float to the surface an be spotted or wash up on shore.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 17:20     Subject: Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Maeve looks really familiar. I feel that I have encountered her in a public setting, maybe chatted casually, like a grocery store line or something along those lines. I found her charming and very nice, sweet. Maybe it wasn't her, as I don't live in D.C. proper.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 17:07     Subject: Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Anonymous wrote:My uncle drowned years ago in the Chesapeake on Easter weekend early April in a boating accident. He knew how to swim, but the water is just too cold that time of year. even with a lifejacket, the water is like a boa constrictor around your chest, every breath in and it squeezes, until you just cannot breath anymore. Then you either pass out and die of 1) drowning, or 2) hypothermia. Even if they had life jackets, they would not have survived whatsoever. My heart breaks for them.

My uncle's body washed on shore 4 days later. I hope their bodies are found so the family can have some closure.

I’m so sorry.
This is a good point, eve with a life jacket they may not have survived. Tragic.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 17:04     Subject: Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Anonymous wrote:My uncle drowned years ago in the Chesapeake on Easter weekend early April in a boating accident. He knew how to swim, but the water is just too cold that time of year. even with a lifejacket, the water is like a boa constrictor around your chest, every breath in and it squeezes, until you just cannot breath anymore. Then you either pass out and die of 1) drowning, or 2) hypothermia. Even if they had life jackets, they would not have survived whatsoever. My heart breaks for them.

My uncle's body washed on shore 4 days later. I hope their bodies are found so the family can have some closure.




This is very sad. I’m sorry for your family, especially now that we are upon Easter week and reminder of your uncle’s tragic death.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:59     Subject: Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

My uncle drowned years ago in the Chesapeake on Easter weekend early April in a boating accident. He knew how to swim, but the water is just too cold that time of year. even with a lifejacket, the water is like a boa constrictor around your chest, every breath in and it squeezes, until you just cannot breath anymore. Then you either pass out and die of 1) drowning, or 2) hypothermia. Even if they had life jackets, they would not have survived whatsoever. My heart breaks for them.

My uncle's body washed on shore 4 days later. I hope their bodies are found so the family can have some closure.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:51     Subject: Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

No not a cove. As someone who grew up on the Bay- never never never let a child in your boat without a life jacket- even kids who grew up by the water and never risk your life for a dog or ball... for those of us who grew up around here we are astounded this happened
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:46     Subject: Re:Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Anonymous wrote:I think she must have been very familiar with the water and canoeing in general to get into that boat with her son.

I’ve only been in a canoe once — it would be foreign to me to just jump in one at a shoreline property, with my child, and without life jackets in.


Maybe. However, the house belonged to her mother and county property records show that it was purchased in 2013, when she was 33.

She clearly did not grow up canoeing on the bay at that house.

Perhaps her parents owned a different house on the bay when she was growing up?
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:44     Subject: Re:Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Anonymous wrote:I think she must have been very familiar with the water and canoeing in general to get into that boat with her son.

I’ve only been in a canoe once — it would be foreign to me to just jump in one at a shoreline property, with my child, and without life jackets in.



^^without life jackets on
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:42     Subject: Re:Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

I think she must have been very familiar with the water and canoeing in general to get into that boat with her son.

I’ve only been in a canoe once — it would be foreign to me to just jump in one at a shoreline property, with my child, and without life jackets in.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:41     Subject: Re:Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP +1 that the property was basically on open water. That's not a "cove" in the sense that the word is typically used. It's a concave beach.


It looks like the husband called it a cove:

“The cove is protected, with much calmer wind and water than in the greater Chesapeake,” David McKean wrote. “They got into a canoe, intending simply to retrieve the ball, and somehow got pushed by wind or tide into the open bay.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/maeve-kennedy-mckeans-husband-posts-tribute-to-wife-and-son-after-maryland-drowning

I imagine that he is torn between being angry at her for doing something so foolish and taking his son with her and wanting to preserve her good name and not alienate her family. The optics are much better if they were in a calm protected cove and were inexplicably push out into the open bay.


Yeah, but there's nothing calm or protected about that beach.

Just really poor judgement that unfortunately ended tragically.

It does make me think they must have been pretty reckless at other times too though. Kids should ALWAYS have a life jacket on. Normally when people are in a hurry they just go through the motions doing what they would normally do. So if you normally buckle your seatbelt, you'd still do it in a hurry, just quickly. And if you normally put helmets on to ride a bike, then you'd still do that, it would feel "strange" not to. And if you're used to getting in a canoe without a life jacket then that's what you'd do in a hurry.

Really tragic. I hope the rest of us can all at least learn something from it.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:39     Subject: Re:Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP +1 that the property was basically on open water. That's not a "cove" in the sense that the word is typically used. It's a concave beach.


It looks like the husband called it a cove:

“The cove is protected, with much calmer wind and water than in the greater Chesapeake,” David McKean wrote. “They got into a canoe, intending simply to retrieve the ball, and somehow got pushed by wind or tide into the open bay.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/maeve-kennedy-mckeans-husband-posts-tribute-to-wife-and-son-after-maryland-drowning

I imagine that he is torn between being angry at her for doing something so foolish and taking his son with her and wanting to preserve her good name and not alienate her family. The optics are much better if they were in a calm protected cove and were inexplicably push out into the open bay.



Yes, this. I envisioned a true cove.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:37     Subject: Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

It's stuff like this and cruise ship grandpa that make me question my judgement and painstakingly try to put myself in the mindset to decide if I'd ever do something like it. I pray not. I do not judge her. It makes me scared of ever being spontaneous - EVER. So sad.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:36     Subject: Re:Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

Anonymous wrote:NP +1 that the property was basically on open water. That's not a "cove" in the sense that the word is typically used. It's a concave beach.


It looks like the husband called it a cove:

“The cove is protected, with much calmer wind and water than in the greater Chesapeake,” David McKean wrote. “They got into a canoe, intending simply to retrieve the ball, and somehow got pushed by wind or tide into the open bay.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/maeve-kennedy-mckeans-husband-posts-tribute-to-wife-and-son-after-maryland-drowning

I imagine that he is torn between being angry at her for doing something so foolish and taking his son with her and wanting to preserve her good name and not alienate her family. The optics are much better if they were in a calm protected cove and were inexplicably push out into the open bay.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2020 16:16     Subject: Re:Mother and child lost in tragic Chesapeake Bay accident, possible connection to former Lt. Governor.

NP +1 that the property was basically on open water. That's not a "cove" in the sense that the word is typically used. It's a concave beach.