Anonymous wrote:According to the table, over 40% of all students enrolled at CMU are foreign nationals. (This includes both graduate and undergraduate students.)

Quant schools get a lot of foreigners and domestic Asians. They are the ones who will push themselves through these programs. Most of UVA is a "soft" school. But you can see the difference in earnings between soft schools an quant schools in the ROI/NPV reports that have been posted here. It is considerably higher for the quant schools.

Anonymous wrote:According to the table, over 40% of all students enrolled at CMU are foreign nationals. (This includes both graduate and undergraduate students.)

How about other technology schools? MIT, Cal Tech, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, etc.? Same?

Easy decision. UVA.

According to the table, over 40% of all students enrolled at CMU are foreign nationals. (This includes both graduate and undergraduate students.)

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Here's the demographic distribution, as reported by CMU (for 2018):

https://www.cmu.edu/ira/Enrollment/pdf/fall-2018-pdfs/university-facts-2018-student-enrollment-by-citizenship-race-sex.pdf

Very interesting figures in that table.

You aren’t kidding. If international students don’t enroll in the US in high numbers this year due to the economy, virus, or delays in the student visa process, where does it leave some of these schools that reply on high numbers of international students?

Why did they accept so many international students? My friend's TJ son with 1600 SAT, 15 APs, many ECs & volunteer hours didn't get in last year. They have high income and will definitely pay full tuition.

Where did the kid end up?

UVA less pressure and much less expensive.

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Here's the demographic distribution, as reported by CMU (for 2018):

https://www.cmu.edu/ira/Enrollment/pdf/fall-2018-pdfs/university-facts-2018-student-enrollment-by-citizenship-race-sex.pdf

Very interesting figures in that table.

You aren’t kidding. If international students don’t enroll in the US in high numbers this year due to the economy, virus, or delays in the student visa process, where does it leave some of these schools that reply on high numbers of international students?

Why did they accept so many international students? My friend's TJ son with 1600 SAT, 15 APs, many ECs & volunteer hours didn't get in last year. They have high income and will definitely pay full tuition.

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Here's the demographic distribution, as reported by CMU (for 2018):

https://www.cmu.edu/ira/Enrollment/pdf/fall-2018-pdfs/university-facts-2018-student-enrollment-by-citizenship-race-sex.pdf

Very interesting figures in that table.

You aren’t kidding. If international students don’t enroll in the US in high numbers this year due to the economy, virus, or delays in the student visa process, where does it leave some of these schools that reply on high numbers of international students?

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Here's the demographic distribution, as reported by CMU (for 2018):

https://www.cmu.edu/ira/Enrollment/pdf/fall-2018-pdfs/university-facts-2018-student-enrollment-by-citizenship-race-sex.pdf

Very interesting figures in that table.

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Anonymous wrote:Read all posts, very helpful discussion. So the argument is basically about the money, right? If money is not an issue, people will always choose CMU, am I right?

The cost savings is one factor. Another is this: do you want your kid to have a normal college experience? If so, choose UVA.

So you define a "normal" college experience as UVA's? And experiences at other colleges like CMU are abnormal?

This is my question too, several posts seem having concern about the experience in CMU. What is exactly the concern?

Not sure, but here's a guess. Is it a normal college experience if half of the student body, and half of the professorate, don't speak English as a primary language?

Is this CMU? I can underrated the professorate, why student body? Do you mean half of the students are international students?

Take a walk through the CMU campus some day. The majority seem to be international students or children of recent immigrants. Very diverse, as they say. Ironically, the least diverse group on campus seems to be the men's basketball team.

All of this may be normal, these days, for a science and engineering school. But you'll have to decide for yourself whether this makes for a "normal" college experience.

About 1/4 of undergrads are international students.

Here's the demographic distribution, as reported by CMU (for 2018):

https://www.cmu.edu/ira/Enrollment/pdf/fall-2018-pdfs/university-facts-2018-student-enrollment-by-citizenship-race-sex.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Read all posts, very helpful discussion. So the argument is basically about the money, right? If money is not an issue, people will always choose CMU, am I right?

The cost savings is one factor. Another is this: do you want your kid to have a normal college experience? If so, choose UVA.

So you define a "normal" college experience as UVA's? And experiences at other colleges like CMU are abnormal?

This is my question too, several posts seem having concern about the experience in CMU. What is exactly the concern?

Not sure, but here's a guess. Is it a normal college experience if half of the student body, and half of the professorate, don't speak English as a primary language?

Is this CMU? I can underrated the professorate, why student body? Do you mean half of the students are international students?

Take a walk through the CMU campus some day. The majority seem to be international students or children of recent immigrants. Very diverse, as they say. Ironically, the least diverse group on campus seems to be the men's basketball team.

All of this may be normal, these days, for a science and engineering school. But you'll have to decide for yourself whether this makes for a "normal" college experience.

About 1/4 of undergrads are international students.

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Anonymous wrote:Read all posts, very helpful discussion. So the argument is basically about the money, right? If money is not an issue, people will always choose CMU, am I right?

The cost savings is one factor. Another is this: do you want your kid to have a normal college experience? If so, choose UVA.

So you define a "normal" college experience as UVA's? And experiences at other colleges like CMU are abnormal?

This is my question too, several posts seem having concern about the experience in CMU. What is exactly the concern?

Not sure, but here's a guess. Is it a normal college experience if half of the student body, and half of the professorate, don't speak English as a primary language?

Is this CMU? I can underrated the professorate, why student body? Do you mean half of the students are international students?

Take a walk through the CMU campus some day. The majority seem to be international students or children of recent immigrants. Very diverse, as they say. Ironically, the least diverse group on campus seems to be the men's basketball team.

All of this may be normal, these days, for a science and engineering school. But you'll have to decide for yourself whether this makes for a "normal" college experience.

I didn't know this. Too bad we couldn't visit the campus in spring break. Is this normal for all engineering schools like MIT, Cal Tech, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, etc.?

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Anonymous wrote:Read all posts, very helpful discussion. So the argument is basically about the money, right? If money is not an issue, people will always choose CMU, am I right?

The cost savings is one factor. Another is this: do you want your kid to have a normal college experience? If so, choose UVA.

So you define a "normal" college experience as UVA's? And experiences at other colleges like CMU are abnormal?

This is my question too, several posts seem having concern about the experience in CMU. What is exactly the concern?

Not sure, but here's a guess. Is it a normal college experience if half of the student body, and half of the professorate, don't speak English as a primary language?

Is this CMU? I can underrated the professorate, why student body? Do you mean half of the students are international students?

Take a walk through the CMU campus some day. The majority seem to be international students or children of recent immigrants. Very diverse, as they say. Ironically, the least diverse group on campus seems to be the men's basketball team.

All of this may be normal, these days, for a science and engineering school. But you'll have to decide for yourself whether this makes for a "normal" college experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Read all posts, very helpful discussion. So the argument is basically about the money, right? If money is not an issue, people will always choose CMU, am I right?

The cost savings is one factor. Another is this: do you want your kid to have a normal college experience? If so, choose UVA.

So you define a "normal" college experience as UVA's? And experiences at other colleges like CMU are abnormal?

This is my question too, several posts seem having concern about the experience in CMU. What is exactly the concern?

Not sure, but here's a guess. Is it a normal college experience if half of the student body, and half of the professorate, don't speak English as a primary language?

Is this CMU? I can underrated the professorate, why student body? Do you mean half of the students are international students?

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Anonymous wrote:Read all posts, very helpful discussion. So the argument is basically about the money, right? If money is not an issue, people will always choose CMU, am I right?

The cost savings is one factor. Another is this: do you want your kid to have a normal college experience? If so, choose UVA.

So you define a "normal" college experience as UVA's? And experiences at other colleges like CMU are abnormal?

This is my question too, several posts seem having concern about the experience in CMU. What is exactly the concern?

It's not a different concept to understand.

Many students think of college as big arena sports, frat parties, bars and spending quite a bit of leisure time with their friends in clubs, activities, etc.

CMU may not be like that for an engineering major. For one, it doesn't have big arena sports. Second, I doubt the frat scene is as big as in state schools.
It's a technical school with a very intelligent and hard working student population.

UVA certainly provides these amenities as a large state school. Classes are easier. Students are less bright so there is less competition.ACC sports. Massive frat scene.

It's like choosing between MIT or Michigan. Your lifestyle as a student is going to be different.
The benefit of Ivies is that they have a very good social life and academic life balance. Same for Stanford and Stanford has a big arena sports scene as well.

Other schools have a much harsher social-academic life balance. CMU is one of them. It's also why its among the absolute best technical schools in the country.