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Anonymous wrote:Honda Elements aren't being made any more. We love ours, but they aren't popular with young women. Jeeps are expensive and can be dangerous, but are extremely trendy.

Honda CR-V? Toyota RAV? Subaru Forester? One of the sportier Subaru's?

All three of these are cars for old fogies like us. You have to put yourself in the mind of a young woman in her 20s.


I would suggest looking for a convertible. I realize she wants to sit higher, but at least you get the wind in your hair sensation.

Talk about "old fogies" I'm the pp and we're in our 40s and are a couple of decades younger than anyone I see in convertibles. All.senior citizens.

Most younger people, mid 20s, either buy practical cars and spend as little money as possible, or go all out and buy something expensive trendy and in need of maintenance like a Jeep.

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Anonymous wrote:Honda Elements aren't being made any more. We love ours, but they aren't popular with young women. Jeeps are expensive and can be dangerous, but are extremely trendy.

Honda CR-V? Toyota RAV? Subaru Forester? One of the sportier Subaru's?

All three of these are cars for old fogies like us. You have to put yourself in the mind of a young woman in her 20s.


I would suggest looking for a convertible. I realize she wants to sit higher, but at least you get the wind in your hair sensation.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

My youngest drives his Jeep off road at least once or twice a month. He is very into hiking and camping and being outdoors. He has pulled people out of the mud and snow several times. He often drives mountainous roads when he takes road trips. Not all of us are raising pasty kids who sit in front of a computer all day. For people who love off road travel, camping, hiking, etc. Jeep is a good choice. Also, if you are a decent driver, you aren’t going to flip a newer Jeep. My kids got their licenses out of state at 15. When they left for college, they had over three years of daily driving experience.

Can you explain-where does he go to drive his car off the road? I don’t really understand how this is legal—do you own a huge
country property somewhere?

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Anonymous wrote:Have your daughter run insurance quotes for these vehicles before she gets them. I know that the insurance for a Jeep Wrangler is very expensive for younger drivers, high end sports car expensive.

My insurance costs went down not up. Wrangler was cheaper than old vehicle.

Are you 20 years old?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honda Elements aren't being made any more. We love ours, but they aren't popular with young women. Jeeps are expensive and can be dangerous, but are extremely trendy.

Honda CR-V? Toyota RAV? Subaru Forester? One of the sportier Subaru's?

All three of these are cars for old fogies like us. You have to put yourself in the mind of a young woman in her 20s.


I would suggest looking for a convertible. I realize she wants to sit higher, but at least you get the wind in your hair sensation.

Anonymous wrote:Honda Elements aren't being made any more. We love ours, but they aren't popular with young women. Jeeps are expensive and can be dangerous, but are extremely trendy.

Honda CR-V? Toyota RAV? Subaru Forester? One of the sportier Subaru's?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have your daughter run insurance quotes for these vehicles before she gets them. I know that the insurance for a Jeep Wrangler is very expensive for younger drivers, high end sports car expensive.

My insurance costs went down not up. Wrangler was cheaper than old vehicle.

Are you 20 years old?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

My youngest drives his Jeep off road at least once or twice a month. He is very into hiking and camping and being outdoors. He has pulled people out of the mud and snow several times. He often drives mountainous roads when he takes road trips. Not all of us are raising pasty kids who sit in front of a computer all day. For people who love off road travel, camping, hiking, etc. Jeep is a good choice. Also, if you are a decent driver, you aren’t going to flip a newer Jeep. My kids got their licenses out of state at 15. When they left for college, they had over three years of daily driving experience.

Can you explain-where does he go to drive his car off the road? I don’t really understand how this is legal—do you own a huge
country property somewhere?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have your daughter run insurance quotes for these vehicles before she gets them. I know that the insurance for a Jeep Wrangler is very expensive for younger drivers, high end sports car expensive.

My insurance costs went down not up. Wrangler was cheaper than old vehicle.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If they are junk, then what would you recommend instead? Needs to be AWD and high off the ground. She does not like what I have recommended so far (RAV4 and Subaru Outback) although I think RAV4 might be the best choice.

I researched cars for my DD. We live in Los Angeles and to get to school, she has to traverse terrain that you would not expect in LA (going over a mountain and on some really windy roads with little-to-no shoulder (Sunset Blvd. and Mulholland Dr.)

She wanted a Jeep (Wrangler or Renegade). OP, please look at Consumer Reports on Jeep Safety. That car is shockingly dangerous.

The Toyota Highlander is always a good bet, but the "little sister" of the Highlander is the RAV4.

I had an older model Toyota Highlander (2007), but the newer models have gotten overly-big. We got her a 2017 RAV4--the RAVs have also gotten bigger, so now are the size of the original Highlanders.

It's a GREAT CAR, OP! We are so happy with it! I like it better than my Highlander, which I loved. Consumer Reports rates it very highly on performance and safety.

The new 2020 Wranglers get good safety ratings. Its shocking how little you know about it.

no they don't:

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/34192

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/mercedes-benz/glc/21987

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/toyota/rav4/35881

Those ratings are not accurate and look at electronics not actual crashes.

NHTSA rates it well.

In the frontal offset test, the connection between the A-pillar and the trans-facia beam was damaged in a way that indicated the structure
would be unable to withstand higher loads. Similarly, deformation of the footwell showed that the structure had reached the limit of its
integrity. Although dummy readings indicated good protection of the knees and femurs of the driver and passenger dummy, structures in
the dashboard were thought to present a risk to occupants of different sizes and to those sitting in different positions, and protection of this
body area was rated as marginal. Dummy readings, together with the penalty applied for the unstable bodyshell, resulted in protection of
the driver chest being rated as weak. In the full-width rigid barrier test, dummy readings of chest compression showed marginal protection
of the driver chest. For the rear passenger, dummy readings showed weak protection of the neck and, combined with high shoulder-belt
loads, poor protection of the chest. In the side barrier test, the Wrangler scored maximum points, with good protection of all critical body
areas. No pole test was conducted on the Wrangler. Tests on the front seats and head restraints indicated good protection against
whiplash injuries in the event of a rear-end collision. A geometric assessment of the rear seats also indicated good whiplash protection.
The Wrangler is not equipped with an autonomous emergency braking (AEB) system.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

My youngest drives his Jeep off road at least once or twice a month. He is very into hiking and camping and being outdoors. He has pulled people out of the mud and snow several times. He often drives mountainous roads when he takes road trips. Not all of us are raising pasty kids who sit in front of a computer all day. For people who love off road travel, camping, hiking, etc. Jeep is a good choice. Also, if you are a decent driver, you aren’t going to flip a newer Jeep. My kids got their licenses out of state at 15. When they left for college, they had over three years of daily driving experience.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. If they are junk, then what would you recommend instead? Needs to be AWD and high off the ground. She does not like what I have recommended so far (RAV4 and Subaru Outback) although I think RAV4 might be the best choice.

I researched cars for my DD. We live in Los Angeles and to get to school, she has to traverse terrain that you would not expect in LA (going over a mountain and on some really windy roads with little-to-no shoulder (Sunset Blvd. and Mulholland Dr.)

She wanted a Jeep (Wrangler or Renegade). OP, please look at Consumer Reports on Jeep Safety. That car is shockingly dangerous.

The Toyota Highlander is always a good bet, but the "little sister" of the Highlander is the RAV4.

I had an older model Toyota Highlander (2007), but the newer models have gotten overly-big. We got her a 2017 RAV4--the RAVs have also gotten bigger, so now are the size of the original Highlanders.

It's a GREAT CAR, OP! We are so happy with it! I like it better than my Highlander, which I loved. Consumer Reports rates it very highly on performance and safety.

The new 2020 Wranglers get good safety ratings. Its shocking how little you know about it.

no they don't:

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/34192

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/mercedes-benz/glc/21987

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/toyota/rav4/35881

That website seems to base its ratings on lots of things that are safety factors for those *outside* the vehicle, such as pedestrians and cyclists, or for automatic steering and braking.

I don't consider those safety features.

I can drive. I don't need lane assist or automatic braking. And I'm not picking a vehicle based on pedestrian or cyclist safety. If pedestrians and cyclists want to be safe, they should use crosswalks or stop at stop signs and redlights and follow traffic laws like cars are required to. But I'm certainly not going choose my vehicle based on how effective it is a protecting dumb pedestrians and cyclists from the consequences of their actions.