Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:35     Subject: Re:Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Most of MoCo is suburban with families that have two parents who are highly educated and dual income earners. I do not expect to be treated as if I am in the same boat as large poor urban areas (DC. Chicago, New Orleans, L.A., Philly, Baltimore)


This is the problem. You clearly are in a neighborhood with high SES folks but the majority of MCPS is no longer in this category. Right now over 30% of all kids are on FARMS and the number of kids who have ever been on FARMS is around 40 something %. The FARMS number substantially undercounts kids living in poverty with low to no education parents. There is huge gap in education between old Montgomery County (people close to retirement age) and young families. The poverty is concentrated and growing within the younger demographic including young families.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:32     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

For what it is worth, the increase in the Hispanic population in Maryland and in DC is pretty much identical between 2010 and 2017 (roughly two percent).

CARECEN plays the same role in DC that Casa de Maryland plays in Montgomery County, by the way. http://carecendc.org/


How can any data regarding numbers of illegal immigrants be believed? It's impossible to get a true number. And, obviously any data from CARECEN is going to be biased. They have an agenda.


You may not believe them, but that doesn't make the numbers invalid. It just means you don't believe them.



The numbers aren't credible so I don't believe them AND they're invalid.


Just wait until you find out some illegal has been using your SSN number and identification to work black market jobs, drive an uninsured car, wire cash back to Honduras.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:30     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

For what it is worth, the increase in the Hispanic population in Maryland and in DC is pretty much identical between 2010 and 2017 (roughly two percent).

CARECEN plays the same role in DC that Casa de Maryland plays in Montgomery County, by the way. http://carecendc.org/


How can any data regarding numbers of illegal immigrants be believed? It's impossible to get a true number. And, obviously any data from CARECEN is going to be biased. They have an agenda.


You may not believe them, but that doesn't make the numbers invalid. It just means you don't believe them.


Illegals are highly likely underreported.

General Hispanic population likely underreported. 40 years of sanctuary city volume illegal immigrant in MoCo has resulted in 100,000s or anchor babies now of various ages.

Here’s MoCos damning population study from January: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf
It includes how low income is overwhelming high income, Central Americans numbers per year (if surveyed), etc.

Read like more of a downward spiral than Los Angeles 20 years ago.


I didn't see any section about undocumented aliens in this report. Can you be more specific?


Print it out and read it. Might take you more than 30 seconds. It’s a fantastic report on the state of MoCo 2019. they didn’t have the balls to publicize it much nor summarize the worst points.

You can also go hang out in the MoCo SSA office and CASA de Maryland for a visual report on the state of illegal immigration and its welfare implications. Or stop by any East county elementary school the first several weeks of the school year for “Open Enrollment, dental checks, doctor checks, shots, and one-in-one counseling in Spanish and variable tribal dialects.”
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:28     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Who has right to authosize. charter Schools? County council or BOE? Cannot wait to have a school like KIPP to open in MC.


The BOE does, and there is already a process for this. If you want to start a charter school, go ahead and apply:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/deputy/charterschools/2011/C%202019%20Charter%20Schools%20Application%20(2).pdf


Aren't most these scams to spread cooky religious dogma with tax dollars?
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:27     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I believe the charters in DC now educate almost half the students. And they’ve seen improvements in test scores in traditional public and the charters. Huge success, I would say.

MoCo is changing and maybe what always worked historically doesn’t work today.


Philly has also seen benefits from charter schools.

Charters or not, MCPS needs to undergo some major changes.


Most of MoCo is suburban with families that have two parents who are highly educated and dual income earners. I do not expect to be treated as if I am in the same boat as large poor urban areas (DC. Chicago, New Orleans, L.A., Philly, Baltimore)


But a large portion of MoCo is similar to those urban areas.


LA educated families demanded charter schools. LA went from a top performing public school district to below average, families pulled out via moving or private/parochial, LA countered with charter schools, educated families went to those. LA continued to be below average test score for years and now way below as illiterate, unskilled, uneducated families surpassed the 50% mark of the community and public school district.

Now they have the worst performing schools in the nation, getting shoveled a ton of tax payer money with no results. Teachers union wants more money, but keeps delivering less teaching/student learning results.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:26     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

For what it is worth, the increase in the Hispanic population in Maryland and in DC is pretty much identical between 2010 and 2017 (roughly two percent).

CARECEN plays the same role in DC that Casa de Maryland plays in Montgomery County, by the way. http://carecendc.org/


How can any data regarding numbers of illegal immigrants be believed? It's impossible to get a true number. And, obviously any data from CARECEN is going to be biased. They have an agenda.


You may not believe them, but that doesn't make the numbers invalid. It just means you don't believe them.



The numbers aren't credible so I don't believe them AND they're invalid.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:24     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

For what it is worth, the increase in the Hispanic population in Maryland and in DC is pretty much identical between 2010 and 2017 (roughly two percent).

CARECEN plays the same role in DC that Casa de Maryland plays in Montgomery County, by the way. http://carecendc.org/


How can any data regarding numbers of illegal immigrants be believed? It's impossible to get a true number. And, obviously any data from CARECEN is going to be biased. They have an agenda.


You may not believe them, but that doesn't make the numbers invalid. It just means you don't believe them.


Illegals are highly likely underreported.

General Hispanic population likely underreported. 40 years of sanctuary city volume illegal immigrant in MoCo has resulted in 100,000s or anchor babies now of various ages.

Here’s MoCos damning population study from January: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf
It includes how low income is overwhelming high income, Central Americans numbers per year (if surveyed), etc.

Read like more of a downward spiral than Los Angeles 20 years ago.


I didn't see any section about undocumented aliens in this report. Can you be more specific?
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:22     Subject: Re:Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:If you look at the ESL % you will see that they are much lower than the population of Hispanic kids. The hispanic population is growing in MCPS because its younger and have more children per household. There has also been migration from DC into MD as DC areas are gentrifying. The low income hispanic population in NOVA so far has tended to move further out or become more concentrated in the pockets of low income housing in NOVA rather than into Montgomery County. It is difficult for low income people to pick and move. If they have to do it they are more likely to find a community that culturally accepts them and is familiar so overtime you may or may not see migration from NOVA to MCPS. MCPS does not know what to do with the hispanic population. They have almost no representation anywhere within MCPS or even MCPTA despite being the largest group. Their interests do not align with the AA administrators or BOE members but as a group they do not have enough engagement or political engagement to change things.

The biggest change that I have seen over the past 15 years has nothing to do with the demographic changes. It has been the runaway growth of a toxic work culture within MCPS. This is really the root of all the problems -sex abuse crimes, terrible curriculum, plummeting scores, low teacher morale, poorly maintained facilities, bad capacity planning and hostile community engagement. Toxic behavior is rewarded and educating kids is at best an after thought. The system is functioning as a bunch of incompetent people desperately trying to keep their jobs not by excelling at their jobs but by telling each other what they want to hear and covering up for each other. There is zero external accountability within the central office and its favored principals that central office carefully places to keep central office staff happy. Its a mess.


3.85 children per Hispanic MoCo women of child bearing age.

It’s hidden in the study in the over 2 count but you can find it in the text. It’s 3x the rate of other races.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:21     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

For what it is worth, the increase in the Hispanic population in Maryland and in DC is pretty much identical between 2010 and 2017 (roughly two percent).

CARECEN plays the same role in DC that Casa de Maryland plays in Montgomery County, by the way. http://carecendc.org/


How can any data regarding numbers of illegal immigrants be believed? It's impossible to get a true number. And, obviously any data from CARECEN is going to be biased. They have an agenda.


You may not believe them, but that doesn't make the numbers invalid. It just means you don't believe them.


Illegals are highly likely underreported.

General Hispanic population likely underreported. 40 years of sanctuary city volume illegal immigrant in MoCo has resulted in 100,000s or anchor babies now of various ages.

Here’s MoCos damning population study from January: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf
It includes how low income is overwhelming high income, Central Americans numbers per year (if surveyed), etc.

Read like more of a downward spiral than Los Angeles 20 years ago.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:15     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I believe the charters in DC now educate almost half the students. And they’ve seen improvements in test scores in traditional public and the charters. Huge success, I would say.

MoCo is changing and maybe what always worked historically doesn’t work today.


Philly has also seen benefits from charter schools.

Charters or not, MCPS needs to undergo some major changes.


Most of MoCo is suburban with families that have two parents who are highly educated and dual income earners. I do not expect to be treated as if I am in the same boat as large poor urban areas (DC. Chicago, New Orleans, L.A., Philly, Baltimore)


But a large portion of MoCo is similar to those urban areas.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 13:02     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I believe the charters in DC now educate almost half the students. And they’ve seen improvements in test scores in traditional public and the charters. Huge success, I would say.

MoCo is changing and maybe what always worked historically doesn’t work today.


Philly has also seen benefits from charter schools.

Charters or not, MCPS needs to undergo some major changes.


Most of MoCo is suburban with families that have two parents who are highly educated and dual income earners. I do not expect to be treated as if I am in the same boat as large poor urban areas (DC. Chicago, New Orleans, L.A., Philly, Baltimore)
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 12:51     Subject: Re:Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
If you look at the ESL % you will see that they are much lower than the population of Hispanic kids. The hispanic population is growing in MCPS because its younger and have more children per household. There has also been migration from DC into MD as DC areas are gentrifying. The low income hispanic population in NOVA so far has tended to move further out or become more concentrated in the pockets of low income housing in NOVA rather than into Montgomery County. It is difficult for low income people to pick and move. If they have to do it they are more likely to find a community that culturally accepts them and is familiar so overtime you may or may not see migration from NOVA to MCPS. MCPS does not know what to do with the hispanic population. They have almost no representation anywhere within MCPS or even MCPTA despite being the largest group. Their interests do not align with the AA administrators or BOE members but as a group they do not have enough engagement or political engagement to change things.

The biggest change that I have seen over the past 15 years has nothing to do with the demographic changes. It has been the runaway growth of a toxic work culture within MCPS. This is really the root of all the problems -sex abuse crimes, terrible curriculum, plummeting scores, low teacher morale, poorly maintained facilities, bad capacity planning and hostile community engagement. Toxic behavior is rewarded and educating kids is at best an after thought. The system is functioning as a bunch of incompetent people desperately trying to keep their jobs not by excelling at their jobs but by telling each other what they want to hear and covering up for each other. There is zero external accountability within the central office and its favored principals that central office carefully places to keep central office staff happy. Its a mess.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 12:35     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

For what it is worth, the increase in the Hispanic population in Maryland and in DC is pretty much identical between 2010 and 2017 (roughly two percent).

CARECEN plays the same role in DC that Casa de Maryland plays in Montgomery County, by the way. http://carecendc.org/


How can any data regarding numbers of illegal immigrants be believed? It's impossible to get a true number. And, obviously any data from CARECEN is going to be biased. They have an agenda.


You may not believe them, but that doesn't make the numbers invalid. It just means you don't believe them.


I believe what I see with my own eyes. I have lived in MoCo for twenty years and there has been an explosion in Hispanic immigrants, especially over the past 5-10 years. And, that has unequivocally led to changes in MCPS.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 12:25     Subject: Re:Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
How can any data regarding numbers of illegal immigrants be believed? It's impossible to get a true number. And, obviously any data from CARECEN is going to be biased. They have an agenda.


I think the point is that the US is undergoing a demographic shift, counter to PP's assertion that somehow Montgomery County is an outlier. That shift is as true in DC as in Maryland and is just another wave of migration in a country with a long history of demographic changes. DCPS and MCPS have similar challenges and opportunities in the coming years, and neither is exempt.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2019 12:24     Subject: Changes in MCPS in the last 15 years
Anonymous wrote:

For what it is worth, the increase in the Hispanic population in Maryland and in DC is pretty much identical between 2010 and 2017 (roughly two percent).

CARECEN plays the same role in DC that Casa de Maryland plays in Montgomery County, by the way. http://carecendc.org/


How can any data regarding numbers of illegal immigrants be believed? It's impossible to get a true number. And, obviously any data from CARECEN is going to be biased. They have an agenda.


You may not believe them, but that doesn't make the numbers invalid. It just means you don't believe them.