Anonymous
10/27/2019 11:58
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
How is trying to understand her friend, by asking here instead of confronting her friend, disrespecting her friend?
How did she explain the request from her “friend” and how did OP ask her question? How did she title the thread?
Stop embarrassing yourself. If you realized how petty and small-minded your deliberate spins on op and the silly language quibble look to the rest of us, you’d stop right now.
What language quibble?
I’ll just leave your illiteracy out there for all to see. Ciao.
What "illiteracy"? Timestamp?
Or.......perhaps......you are attributing many posts to a single poster?Dumb a$$.
Get a real hobby. You’re an embarrassment to atheists everywhere.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 11:56
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An acquaintance called me and asked me to pray for her healing. She is an atheist and was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer. Of course, I said I would pray for her but my prayer would be for healing if it is God's will but I would also pray that God would give her peace and comfort and take away her fear.She accepted this but why would an atheist believe in The power of prayer?
They don't, unless they either A: Know you'll badger them about religion and want to spare themselves the headache or B: want to give you a way to feel useful in a situation where you either can't or won't be able to help in any kind of concrete fashion.
I agree with the other posters who said that questioning her motivation at this point is in very poor taste, but if posting here and arguing with people here about it keeps you from pestering your ill acquaintance about it then by all means keep at it. Extend to her the courtesy she may well be extending to you.
+1
Anonymous
10/27/2019 11:55
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
How is trying to understand her friend, by asking here instead of confronting her friend, disrespecting her friend?
DP. If an atheist came to this forum and titled a post "Why do Christians give up on their beliefs?" and then proceeded to talk about how a supposedly dear, dying friend had confessed that she didn't believe in God anymore on her deathbed and asked for help processing that, I would also think that poster was an asshat like OP is. Anyone who uses the statements of a dying friend as a "gotcha" moment is vile.
I've been called the "thoughtful atheist" on several threads in the past because I will disagree with anti-Christian atheist trolls if they show up. Here I think OP is equivalent of those trolls (and so are you). You are no better than the anti-Christian trolls. OPs behavior is terrible and should be called out for what it is. If you were actually living your Christian beliefs, you would see that.
I’m not a Christian. And I wouldn’t have any problem with an atheist showing up here and asking about a dying religious friend who had given up on faith. It’s a natural question. The answer might be something like, the friend couldn’t believe in a god who seemed to punish her, or who would leave her kids motherless, or something similar. Just like the thoughtful answers to OP have been along the lines of how there’s a spectrum of atheism to agnosticism and OP’s friend may not be a 100% atheist. There’s nothing wrong in asking these questions, and nothing wrong with answering them thoughtfully.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 11:52
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:An acquaintance called me and asked me to pray for her healing. She is an atheist and was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer. Of course, I said I would pray for her but my prayer would be for healing if it is God's will but I would also pray that God would give her peace and comfort and take away her fear.She accepted this but why would an atheist believe in The power of prayer?
They don't, unless they either A: Know you'll badger them about religion and want to spare themselves the headache or B: want to give you a way to feel useful in a situation where you either can't or won't be able to help in any kind of concrete fashion.
I agree with the other posters who said that questioning her motivation at this point is in very poor taste, but if posting here and arguing with people here about it keeps you from pestering your ill acquaintance about it then by all means keep at it. Extend to her the courtesy she may well be extending to you.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 11:35
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
How is trying to understand her friend, by asking here instead of confronting her friend, disrespecting her friend?
DP. If an atheist came to this forum and titled a post "Why do Christians give up on their beliefs?" and then proceeded to talk about how a supposedly dear, dying friend had confessed that she didn't believe in God anymore on her deathbed and asked for help processing that, I would also think that poster was an asshat like OP is. Anyone who uses the statements of a dying friend as a "gotcha" moment is vile.
I've been called the "thoughtful atheist" on several threads in the past because I will disagree with anti-Christian atheist trolls if they show up. Here I think OP is equivalent of those trolls (and so are you). You are no better than the anti-Christian trolls. OPs behavior is terrible and should be called out for what it is. If you were actually living your Christian beliefs, you would see that.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 11:19
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
How is trying to understand her friend, by asking here instead of confronting her friend, disrespecting her friend?
How did she explain the request from her “friend” and how did OP ask her question? How did she title the thread?
Stop embarrassing yourself. If you realized how petty and small-minded your deliberate spins on op and the silly language quibble look to the rest of us, you’d stop right now.
What language quibble?
I’ll just leave your illiteracy out there for all to see. Ciao.
What "illiteracy"? Timestamp?
Or.......perhaps......you are attributing many posts to a single poster?
Dumb a$$.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 10:15
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
How is trying to understand her friend, by asking here instead of confronting her friend, disrespecting her friend?
How did she explain the request from her “friend” and how did OP ask her question? How did she title the thread?
Stop embarrassing yourself. If you realized how petty and small-minded your deliberate spins on op and the silly language quibble look to the rest of us, you’d stop right now.
What language quibble?
I’ll just leave your illiteracy out there for all to see. Ciao.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 10:00
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
How is trying to understand her friend, by asking here instead of confronting her friend, disrespecting her friend?
How did she explain the request from her “friend” and how did OP ask her question? How did she title the thread?
Stop embarrassing yourself. If you realized how petty and small-minded your deliberate spins on op and the silly language quibble look to the rest of us, you’d stop right now.
What language quibble?
Anonymous
10/27/2019 09:58
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
How is trying to understand her friend, by asking here instead of confronting her friend, disrespecting her friend?
How did she explain the request from her “friend” and how did OP ask her question? How did she title the thread?
Stop embarrassing yourself. If you realized how petty and small-minded your deliberate spins on op and the silly language quibble look to the rest of us, you’d stop right now.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 09:53
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
How is trying to understand her friend, by asking here instead of confronting her friend, disrespecting her friend?
How did she explain the request from her “friend” and how did OP ask her question? How did she title the thread?
Anonymous
10/27/2019 09:14
Subject: Re:Why do athesists ask for prayers
I’m an atheist and pretty much everyone Im close to is aware. My son was recently hospitalized and many people told me they were praying for him. It warmed my heart and I took it to mean there were so many people loving him, near and far, and rooting for his recovery. It made me feel good during a horrible time.
I’m not sure it “worked” or that their prayers changed the outcome. But none of that matters. I’m grateful for their love and their prayers and their kindness during this hard time. And who knows, I don’t know everything, the world is big and complicated and mysterious and maybe it did make a difference. It made a difference to me for sure.
I’m not sure it “worked” or that their prayers changed the outcome. But none of that matters. I’m grateful for their love and their prayers and their kindness during this hard time. And who knows, I don’t know everything, the world is big and complicated and mysterious and maybe it did make a difference. It made a difference to me for sure.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 09:06
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
How is trying to understand her friend, by asking here instead of confronting her friend, disrespecting her friend?
Anonymous
10/27/2019 09:04
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
+1
I’m not quite “appalled” but OP clearly disrespecting her friend.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 07:35
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There may be no significant medical effect.
Please don't mis-state facts. There IS NO significant medical effect.
Where's the mis-statement? The language here is "may be no...but...." A turn of phrase that's used by educated people everywhere, who understand that it doesn't imply anything definitive about the first clause.
You pointed out the reason it is a mis-statement yourself. That it "doesn't imply anything definitive". But it should, and MUST, as it IS definitive, and we are dealing with people's health.
You seriously don't understand the language behind this? This is a simple turn of phrase that implies nothing about the value of prayer. You're deliberately "mis-"interpreting here. Why you're wasting our time is anybody's guess.
Sorry, but I disagree. Don't equivocate. There is no medical effect. I don't know why you can't just say that and I don't think it is wasting anyone's time because it is a very important point.
Pp never said that. Google the sentence construction.
Oh, really?
There may be no significant medical effect.
"may be"
you need to say
"is no"
Are you implying there is no difference?
It’s already a statement contrary to fact, dumba$$. Similar construction: The grass may not be blue, but it’s pretty.
No, that is a terrible example, because in the previous statement, if you expanded it fully, indicates a possibility that there also “may” be a benefit, and there is none. Please answer the question asked, though: Is there no difference in the two statements above?
Wow you really don’t get it.
Anonymous
10/27/2019 07:05
Subject: Why do athesists ask for prayers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's pretty sick that OP is playing gotcha with someone who is dying. What sort of evil religious is she?
It’s pretty sick that you’re making up sick scenarios about an anonymous poster based on zero info about her. What’s wrong with you?
OP literally described what she's doing. It's sick behavior.
Where? When? You’re fantasizing.
Can you even read. She described it. Evil. Her poor friend is dying and all she cares about is "gotcha!"
NP here and I agree. What a terrible friend. I hope cancer victim is not on dcum to see how her “friend” is responding to her sharing her very difficult news.
+1
Pretty shitty
OP asked a question to understand her atheist friend. You twisting this into something nefarious is the “gotcha.” But you probably can’t see what the rest of us see about your manipulation here.
NP.
"The rest of us?" Ahahaha.
You may not be on your own, but I -- like several other posters -- am appalled at OP.
Translation: you’re appalled that a supposed atheist asked for prayers and you want to blame OP. It happens, and you can’t blame OP for either being a pest or for asking why. Get over yourself.