Anonymous
08/14/2019 16:30
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, UVA, UNC, WM, Michigan, etc. There is a top tier of public colleges. Call them public Ivys. Call them top public schools. Call them highly selective public universities. Call them great colleges your kid is lucky to get into. Who cares? A kid worked hard to get into UVA. Doubly so if OOS. If it makes mom feel good to say public Ivy, why be a jacka@@?
This is really what people are fighting about?
That is exactly why the term exists. To make moms feel good.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 16:24
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be more impressed with a kid getting into Chapel Hill OOS than Cornell any day of the week.
But you do you Op, you sound like a joy kill.
Sad that you like a school in the south better than one in the north. Did you vote for Trump by chance?
You make zero sense. What do geography and Trump have to do with this thread?
+1
Anonymous
08/14/2019 16:18
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be more impressed with a kid getting into Chapel Hill OOS than Cornell any day of the week.
But you do you Op, you sound like a joy kill.
Sad that you like a school in the south better than one in the north. Did you vote for Trump by chance?
You make zero sense. What do geography and Trump have to do with this thread?
Anonymous
08/14/2019 16:14
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:I would be more impressed with a kid getting into Chapel Hill OOS than Cornell any day of the week.
But you do you Op, you sound like a joy kill.
Sad that you like a school in the south better than one in the north. Did you vote for Trump by chance?
Anonymous
08/14/2019 16:13
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
I would be more impressed with a kid getting into Chapel Hill OOS than Cornell any day of the week.
But you do you Op, you sound like a joy kill.
But you do you Op, you sound like a joy kill.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 16:02
Subject: Re:Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
I recently go laughed at for not knowing the UVA is considered a public Ivy. I was taken aback by the snottiness of the person saying this to me because I thought it was a ridiculous thing to be snotty about. I just ignored it and moved on. That's what OP needed to do.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 15:52
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.
But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.
1. Yes it's possible that the PI grad is earning more but which have more opportunities/easier time respectively? Also PI grads in engineering etc are always going to out earn those in other careers. I know coders that earn more than any supreme court justice. "Full Life", well I don't know how you measure that. I have an "off the grid" family member who feels his life is full.
2. Many people feel ROI is a stupid way to value education. A CC accounting degree has the best ROI, so just get that, right?
3. Your use of the term "snowflake" shows that you are an ass and no one should take any of your points seriously.
Correct on all points but especially the bolded.
ROI is not a stupid way to value education when you are comparing, for example, two colleges in the top 25. No one is using ROI to compare Harvard to a community college. That would be stupid. ROI would be a valid consideration for UVA or UCLA in state versus Harvard or Yale.
OK so it's stupid when you think it is and not stupid when you don't think it is. Got it. Makes sense.
That's how life works. Many things make sense in some contexts and not in others
A component of RIO is cost. If your kid got a full ride to Duke and also got into Harvard with no financial assistance, wouldn't you at least consider the difference in cost, even if you ultimately decide to go with Harvard? I an not one to use the phrase public Ivy because my kid either gets into an Ivy or not. However, I do think that ROI is a valid measure when comparing colleges within a certain range of each other when costs (including housing) can be $320,000 for four years of unndergrad. Of course there are other factors/intangibles that go into the decision making process like prestige and geographical mobility, to name a couple.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 15:47
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, UVA, UNC, WM, Michigan, etc. There is a top tier of public colleges. Call them public Ivys. Call them top public schools. Call them highly selective public universities. Call them great colleges your kid is lucky to get into. Who cares? A kid worked hard to get into UVA. Doubly so if OOS. If it makes mom feel good to say public Ivy, why be a jacka@@?
This is really what people are fighting about?
Don’t forget U Vermont and Miami of Ohio! Funny how those always get left behind.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 15:44
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Berkeley, UVA, UNC, WM, Michigan, etc. There is a top tier of public colleges. Call them public Ivys. Call them top public schools. Call them highly selective public universities. Call them great colleges your kid is lucky to get into. Who cares? A kid worked hard to get into UVA. Doubly so if OOS. If it makes mom feel good to say public Ivy, why be a jacka@@?
This is really what people are fighting about?
This is really what people are fighting about?
Anonymous
08/14/2019 15:39
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
Can you point out where on that list there is a reference to "SUNY Ithaca"? Thanks.
He meant it as a pejorative.
I do think the people who said it (maybe at a hockey game?) did mean it as a pejorative.
BUT it is kinda true.
If you think it's pejorative that Cornell has a world class state supported ag school, then go for it.
I haven’t used it as a pejorative. Nothing wrong with state-supported schools.
How do I put this... lesssee....
Bullshit.
LOL. I really don't say "SUNY Ithaca" myself as an insult - I was just pointing out that I have heard the term before. Specifically, I've heard it at hockey games when there is a lot of trash talk ("safety school" is another one thrown out). I truly have no issue with any of the state-supported schools at Cornell. And the reason why it's a funny expression is that it's kinda true.
Don't be so thin-skinned.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 15:33
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP ...there really is just "Ivy League". People who make up all other sorts of stuff about "Public Ivy" or "regional Ivy" or whatever are just low and middle class strivers.
I came from the middle class and was not smart enough to get into an Ivy. DH and I went to Shitty State U. We've done really well and kid went to a real Ivy. People should just own who they are... I own that I went to Shitty State U.
My friend who went to Georgetown ...said she loved it. But, she recently went to a tour with her niece and the woman doing the tour called Georgetown an Ivy. My friend, who is a really proud grad, said she laughed her head off at the woman's pretentious.
Just tell your friend to "get real". Sure, some people think UNC is a good school, and I bet it is...but no, it's not an Ivy.
You and your DH are literally me and my DH! Down to laughing at desperate strivers.
Thanks! You made my day. I'm glad I'm not the only one who just thinks people should be proud of wherever they went and understand that some lucky/smart folks go to Ivies and the rest of us didn't.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 15:31
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.
But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.
1. Yes it's possible that the PI grad is earning more but which have more opportunities/easier time respectively? Also PI grads in engineering etc are always going to out earn those in other careers. I know coders that earn more than any supreme court justice. "Full Life", well I don't know how you measure that. I have an "off the grid" family member who feels his life is full.
2. Many people feel ROI is a stupid way to value education. A CC accounting degree has the best ROI, so just get that, right?
3. Your use of the term "snowflake" shows that you are an ass and no one should take any of your points seriously.
Correct on all points but especially the bolded.
Thank you!
ROI is tricky. You can go to a school that has a high reported ROI due to higher reported incomes at some point, but if you major in a field that may not have great job prospects (I'll pick on Classics) and run up a lot of debt, your ROI may likely vary. Incomes, at least in the shorter term, are most closely tied to major and less to schools. Top ROI schools are often Pharmacy, etc. More engineers. And yes, there should be more to what you are looking for than ROI.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 14:30
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
Can you point out where on that list there is a reference to "SUNY Ithaca"? Thanks.
He meant it as a pejorative.
I do think the people who said it (maybe at a hockey game?) did mean it as a pejorative.
BUT it is kinda true.
If you think it's pejorative that Cornell has a world class state supported ag school, then go for it.
I haven’t used it as a pejorative. Nothing wrong with state-supported schools.
How do I put this... lesssee....
Bullshit.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 14:23
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:OP ...there really is just "Ivy League". People who make up all other sorts of stuff about "Public Ivy" or "regional Ivy" or whatever are just low and middle class strivers.
I came from the middle class and was not smart enough to get into an Ivy. DH and I went to Shitty State U. We've done really well and kid went to a real Ivy. People should just own who they are... I own that I went to Shitty State U.
My friend who went to Georgetown ...said she loved it. But, she recently went to a tour with her niece and the woman doing the tour called Georgetown an Ivy. My friend, who is a really proud grad, said she laughed her head off at the woman's pretentious.
Just tell your friend to "get real". Sure, some people think UNC is a good school, and I bet it is...but no, it's not an Ivy.
You and your DH are literally me and my DH! Down to laughing at desperate strivers.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 14:20
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
It’s literally only a thing typed by cringey striver moms on college message boards. Your kid is merely above average. Just accept it.