Anonymous
08/01/2019 11:23
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Half the things in this thread are utter nonsense. Aside from nominal bussing magnets don't cost any more than other programs. If you're looking to cut costs, get rid of athletics. This has nothing to do with education. Students should pursue this on their own dime.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 10:24
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:At this point, MCPS is attempting to level the playing field for all students who are FAR too diverse in multiple categories: SES, language, and skills.
This means the money STILL goes toward the very high (in TEST-IN magnets b/c those are the prestigious ones) and the very low or the challenged. I'm including state-mandated regulations for SPED and ESOL.
The middle are lost in the shuffle, as teachers are too tired to actually teach b/c they're having to fill out paperwork for struggling students as part of some monitoring tool.
And this is why people leave. It's not rocket science.
And the tide ain't turning. MCPS can't retain teachers and they can't fill spots - even with its higher salaries and excellent benefits.
This is absolutely the case.
And very unfortunate, because when the school system declines, you lose middle class families. Tough to support a strong school system when it is left with mostly lower-income students. And mCpS appears to want to weaken the test-in magnets, so they will also be losing the top performers.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 10:16
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
At this point, MCPS is attempting to level the playing field for all students who are FAR too diverse in multiple categories: SES, language, and skills.
This means the money STILL goes toward the very high (in TEST-IN magnets b/c those are the prestigious ones) and the very low or the challenged. I'm including state-mandated regulations for SPED and ESOL.
The middle are lost in the shuffle, as teachers are too tired to actually teach b/c they're having to fill out paperwork for struggling students as part of some monitoring tool.
And this is why people leave. It's not rocket science.
And the tide ain't turning. MCPS can't retain teachers and they can't fill spots - even with its higher salaries and excellent benefits.
This means the money STILL goes toward the very high (in TEST-IN magnets b/c those are the prestigious ones) and the very low or the challenged. I'm including state-mandated regulations for SPED and ESOL.
The middle are lost in the shuffle, as teachers are too tired to actually teach b/c they're having to fill out paperwork for struggling students as part of some monitoring tool.
And this is why people leave. It's not rocket science.
And the tide ain't turning. MCPS can't retain teachers and they can't fill spots - even with its higher salaries and excellent benefits.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 10:15
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serious question. As an Asian-American I have seen poor performing students in my parent's country of origin and it is usually due to 1) poverty or 2) kids who are not interested in studying or have developmental disability.
Who are these Asian-Americans who are doing poorly? Is it a disability issue? resource issue? language barrier? immigration status issue? I am sure there are at least a few community resources that can help them to do better?
Is there any reason to assume that Asian-Americans kids who drop out, drop out for different reasons than kids from other demographic groups who drop out?
No and it doesn't matter.
The PP is an Asian-American. So they are more familiar with Asian culture and care more about Asian-American dropouts. No need to compare that with kids from other groups.
Asia is a frigging continent. There is no ONE Asian culture. Vietnamese culture is not the same as Cambodian Culture. Japan is an Asian country that is a different continent.
IT'S A DIFFERENT CULTURE.
Ignorant people grouping folks together because you are too dang lazy to do better then have the nerve to complain about the education system.
How do you expect people to respond when the boxes are basically white (non-hispanic), hispanic, black, Asian, and American Indian?
So yeah - If you're from Vietnam or China, you're making Asian. And as a whole, Asians (from all over the world) do well in MCPS.
Can you read??
I was not talking academics or boxes to check.
I was responding to the person saying an Asian person can speak to Asian culture as if all Asians come from the same culture.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 10:10
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serious question. As an Asian-American I have seen poor performing students in my parent's country of origin and it is usually due to 1) poverty or 2) kids who are not interested in studying or have developmental disability.
Who are these Asian-Americans who are doing poorly? Is it a disability issue? resource issue? language barrier? immigration status issue? I am sure there are at least a few community resources that can help them to do better?
Is there any reason to assume that Asian-Americans kids who drop out, drop out for different reasons than kids from other demographic groups who drop out?
No and it doesn't matter.
The PP is an Asian-American. So they are more familiar with Asian culture and care more about Asian-American dropouts. No need to compare that with kids from other groups.
Asia is a frigging continent. There is no ONE Asian culture. Vietnamese culture is not the same as Cambodian Culture. Japan is an Asian country that is a different continent.
IT'S A DIFFERENT CULTURE.
Ignorant people grouping folks together because you are too dang lazy to do better then have the nerve to complain about the education system.
How do you expect people to respond when the boxes are basically white (non-hispanic), hispanic, black, Asian, and American Indian?
So yeah - If you're from Vietnam or China, you're making Asian. And as a whole, Asians (from all over the world) do well in MCPS.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 09:27
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:
Don't be intentionally obtuse. This thread is not about meals at school; MCPS already provides free or reduced price school meals. It's about whether schools have a responsibility to address outside economic factors that impact the dropout rate.
Should schools address factors that affect children's education? Yup, they sure should.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 09:26
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:The issue that needs to be solved here is what do you do with kids who come here at 14-15 years old with no education. You can't just dump them in a comprehensive high school and expect them to succeed. Most of them can't even speak English and their reading/writing level may be elementary or even non-existent. There needs to be some type of bridge program for these kids. Otherwise, you are setting them up for failure.
There is one.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/esol/instruction/mets.aspx
Anonymous
08/01/2019 09:24
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/
Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?
I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).
The economy cares. We have a public education system for economic reasons. It's better for the economy to have an educated workforce.
Well, it appears that the education system isn’t working very well. If the dropout rate is increasing and the percentage of students who are ‘proficient’ is decreasing.
So, focus on educating the kids. Leave the social services to private organizations, like non-profits and churches.
If you want to argue that it's not appropriate for the government to provide for the general welfare, please take it to the politics forum.
The question is not whether the government should provide for the general welfare, but whether *schools* should be responsible for providing non-education related services. Or if those services are best provided by some *other agency.
If a school is invested in best serving its students and achieving its goals of EDUCATING kids AND it can pinpoint non-educational issues that it can address so best to create a conducive environment for learning -- GREAT FOR THEM. Lots of schools do it. There are schools that provide laundry facilities, friday night activities, etc.
These are people who are committed to doing the best they can, anyway they can for the kids they serve.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 09:21
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serious question. As an Asian-American I have seen poor performing students in my parent's country of origin and it is usually due to 1) poverty or 2) kids who are not interested in studying or have developmental disability.
Who are these Asian-Americans who are doing poorly? Is it a disability issue? resource issue? language barrier? immigration status issue? I am sure there are at least a few community resources that can help them to do better?
Is there any reason to assume that Asian-Americans kids who drop out, drop out for different reasons than kids from other demographic groups who drop out?
No and it doesn't matter.
The PP is an Asian-American. So they are more familiar with Asian culture and care more about Asian-American dropouts. No need to compare that with kids from other groups.
Asia is a frigging continent. There is no ONE Asian culture. Vietnamese culture is not the same as Cambodian Culture. Japan is an Asian country that is a different continent.
IT'S A DIFFERENT CULTURE.
Ignorant people grouping folks together because you are too dang lazy to do better then have the nerve to complain about the education system.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 08:51
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
The issue that needs to be solved here is what do you do with kids who come here at 14-15 years old with no education. You can't just dump them in a comprehensive high school and expect them to succeed. Most of them can't even speak English and their reading/writing level may be elementary or even non-existent. There needs to be some type of bridge program for these kids. Otherwise, you are setting them up for failure.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 08:06
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serious question. As an Asian-American I have seen poor performing students in my parent's country of origin and it is usually due to 1) poverty or 2) kids who are not interested in studying or have developmental disability.
Who are these Asian-Americans who are doing poorly? Is it a disability issue? resource issue? language barrier? immigration status issue? I am sure there are at least a few community resources that can help them to do better?
Is there any reason to assume that Asian-Americans kids who drop out, drop out for different reasons than kids from other demographic groups who drop out?
No and it doesn't matter.
The PP is an Asian-American. So they are more familiar with Asian culture and care more about Asian-American dropouts. No need to compare that with kids from other groups.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 08:05
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/
Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?
I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).
The economy cares. We have a public education system for economic reasons. It's better for the economy to have an educated workforce.
No one disputes that. The question is, what entity should be responsible for alleviating economic conditions not conducive to education?
I don't think that's the schools.
If you mean feeding kids, yea the school should feed kids. The education system has dealt with social and economic conditions through the depression and all the fun wars we have had.
Don't be intentionally obtuse. This thread is not about meals at school; MCPS already provides free or reduced price school meals. It's about whether schools have a responsibility to address outside economic factors that impact the dropout rate.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 08:03
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/
Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?
I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).
The economy cares. We have a public education system for economic reasons. It's better for the economy to have an educated workforce.
Well, it appears that the education system isn’t working very well. If the dropout rate is increasing and the percentage of students who are ‘proficient’ is decreasing.
So, focus on educating the kids. Leave the social services to private organizations, like non-profits and churches.
If you want to argue that it's not appropriate for the government to provide for the general welfare, please take it to the politics forum.
The question is not whether the government should provide for the general welfare, but whether *schools* should be responsible for providing non-education related services. Or if those services are best provided by some *other agency.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 08:02
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/
Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?
I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).
The economy cares. We have a public education system for economic reasons. It's better for the economy to have an educated workforce.
Well, it appears that the education system isn’t working very well. If the dropout rate is increasing and the percentage of students who are ‘proficient’ is decreasing.
So, focus on educating the kids. Leave the social services to private organizations, like non-profits and churches.
If you want to argue that it's not appropriate for the government to provide for the general welfare, please take it to the politics forum.
DP. I think the argument is different parts of the government have different functions. e.g. you can't expect DMV to provide medical service to seniors.
Anonymous
08/01/2019 08:00
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/
Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?
I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).
The economy cares. We have a public education system for economic reasons. It's better for the economy to have an educated workforce.
That is really a long term (and sort of indirect) correlation.
And also the effect of a small increase in the dropout rate to the economy, is, in my opinion, negligible.