Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are dense aren't you...

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/POL/Chief/bureaus/field/traffic/pedestrian-laws.html

That cites the relevant Maryland laws:

21-202(l) Steady red indication -- Pedestrians prohibited from entering roadway. -- Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control signal as provided in § 21-203 of this subtitle, pedestrians facing a steady red signal alone may not enter the roadway. [Note that this applies to the vehicular traffic signals - i.e., this is the law for when there is not a separate pedestrian signal.]

21-203(c) (a) In general. -- Where special pedestrian control signals showing the words "walk", "dont walk", or "wait" or the symbols of "walking person" or "upraised hand" are in place, the signals have the indications provided in this section.

(b) Walk. -- A pedestrian facing a "walk" or "walking person" signal may cross the roadway in the direction of the signal and shall be given the right-of-way by the driver of any vehicle. At an intersection where an exclusive all-pedestrian interval is provided, a pedestrian may cross the roadway in any direction within the intersection.

(c) Dont walk. -- A pedestrian may not start to cross the roadway in the direction of a "dont walk" or "upraised hand" signal.

(d) Wait signal -- Beginning crossing prohibited. -- A pedestrian may not start to cross the roadway in the direction of a "wait signal".

(e) Wait signal -- Partially completed crossing. -- If a pedestrian has partly completed crossing on a "walk" or "walking person" signal, the pedestrian shall proceed without delay to a sidewalk or safety island while the "dont walk", "wait", or "upraised hand" signal is showing.

That doesn't say anything about whether the flashing hand is considered "don't walk".

Also, I don't think I've ever seen a "wait signal".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are dense aren't you...

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/POL/Chief/bureaus/field/traffic/pedestrian-laws.html

That cites the relevant Maryland laws:

21-202(l) Steady red indication -- Pedestrians prohibited from entering roadway. -- Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control signal as provided in § 21-203 of this subtitle, pedestrians facing a steady red signal alone may not enter the roadway. [Note that this applies to the vehicular traffic signals - i.e., this is the law for when there is not a separate pedestrian signal.]

21-203(c) (a) In general. -- Where special pedestrian control signals showing the words "walk", "dont walk", or "wait" or the symbols of "walking person" or "upraised hand" are in place, the signals have the indications provided in this section.

(b) Walk. -- A pedestrian facing a "walk" or "walking person" signal may cross the roadway in the direction of the signal and shall be given the right-of-way by the driver of any vehicle. At an intersection where an exclusive all-pedestrian interval is provided, a pedestrian may cross the roadway in any direction within the intersection.

(c) Dont walk. -- A pedestrian may not start to cross the roadway in the direction of a "dont walk" or "upraised hand" signal.

(d) Wait signal -- Beginning crossing prohibited. -- A pedestrian may not start to cross the roadway in the direction of a "wait signal".

(e) Wait signal -- Partially completed crossing. -- If a pedestrian has partly completed crossing on a "walk" or "walking person" signal, the pedestrian shall proceed without delay to a sidewalk or safety island while the "dont walk", "wait", or "upraised hand" signal is showing.

That doesn't say anything about whether the flashing hand is considered "don't walk".

Also, I don't think I've ever seen a "wait signal".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

JFC

https://www.biltonlaw.com/washington-dcs-pedestrian-countdown-signals-are-better/

According to the MUTCD, there are three different permissible indications on pedestrian signals:

A steady Walking Person signal means that a pedestrian facing that signal can start to cross the roadway towards the signal.
A flashing Upraised Hand signal means that a pedestrian shall not start to cross the roadway towards the signal, but any pedestrian already in the roadway may finish crossing.
A steady Upraised Hand signal means a pedestrian shall not enter the roadway in the direction of the signal.

(MUTCD Section 4E.02)

Did you catch that? I was in a bit of disbelief too when I first saw it. But it’s true: the flashing “Upraised Hand” means that you can’t cross unless you are already in the roadway.

The MUTCD does not apply to people who are using the road. It applies to transportation departments.

Anonymous wrote:

JFC

https://www.biltonlaw.com/washington-dcs-pedestrian-countdown-signals-are-better/

According to the MUTCD, there are three different permissible indications on pedestrian signals:

A steady Walking Person signal means that a pedestrian facing that signal can start to cross the roadway towards the signal.
A flashing Upraised Hand signal means that a pedestrian shall not start to cross the roadway towards the signal, but any pedestrian already in the roadway may finish crossing.
A steady Upraised Hand signal means a pedestrian shall not enter the roadway in the direction of the signal.

(MUTCD Section 4E.02)

Did you catch that? I was in a bit of disbelief too when I first saw it. But it’s true: the flashing “Upraised Hand” means that you can’t cross unless you are already in the roadway.

Anonymous wrote:

You are dense aren't you...

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/POL/Chief/bureaus/field/traffic/pedestrian-laws.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you also think the regulation doesn't apply when it is raining?

When it is Tuesday?

It doesn't reference flashing lights, so whether the light is flashing is not relevant. If you go before a judge under this regulations, and you say but you see, it was flashing, so obviously it did not apply, you really think that is going to fly?

Really?

I think you have trouble admitting you are wrong, so you make up silly things. That's your problem, not anyone else's.

You (or somebody) said that a flashing hand and a countdown means "don't walk". Where does it say that in DC law?

Pedestrians facing a “WALK” signal may proceed across the roadway in the directions of the signal and shall be given the right-of -way by the drivers of all vehicles.No pedestrian shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of a “DON’T WALK” or “WAIT” signal.

https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/publication/attachments/bike_ped_traffic_reg_summary.pdf

Now I see why there are so many pedestrian caused accidents ... you don't know the law.

You're going around in circles. The question is: where does it say that a flashing hand and a countdown is a "Don't walk" signal? The flashing hand and countdown are part of the walk phase of the signal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you also think the regulation doesn't apply when it is raining?

When it is Tuesday?

It doesn't reference flashing lights, so whether the light is flashing is not relevant. If you go before a judge under this regulations, and you say but you see, it was flashing, so obviously it did not apply, you really think that is going to fly?

Really?

I think you have trouble admitting you are wrong, so you make up silly things. That's your problem, not anyone else's.

You (or somebody) said that a flashing hand and a countdown means "don't walk". Where does it say that in DC law?

Pedestrians facing a “WALK” signal may proceed across the roadway in the directions of the signal and shall be given the right-of -way by the drivers of all vehicles.No pedestrian shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of a “DON’T WALK” or “WAIT” signal.

https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/publication/attachments/bike_ped_traffic_reg_summary.pdf

Now I see why there are so many pedestrian caused accidents ... you don't know the law.

You're going around in circles. The question is: where does it say that a flashing hand and a countdown is a "Don't walk" signal? The flashing hand and countdown are part of the walk phase of the signal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you also think the regulation doesn't apply when it is raining?

When it is Tuesday?

It doesn't reference flashing lights, so whether the light is flashing is not relevant. If you go before a judge under this regulations, and you say but you see, it was flashing, so obviously it did not apply, you really think that is going to fly?

Really?

I think you have trouble admitting you are wrong, so you make up silly things. That's your problem, not anyone else's.

You (or somebody) said that a flashing hand and a countdown means "don't walk". Where does it say that in DC law?

Pedestrians facing a “WALK” signal may proceed across the roadway in the directions of the signal and shall be given the right-of -way by the drivers of all vehicles.No pedestrian shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of a “DON’T WALK” or “WAIT” signal.

https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/publication/attachments/bike_ped_traffic_reg_summary.pdf

Now I see why there are so many pedestrian caused accidents ... you don't know the law.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you also think the regulation doesn't apply when it is raining?

When it is Tuesday?

It doesn't reference flashing lights, so whether the light is flashing is not relevant. If you go before a judge under this regulations, and you say but you see, it was flashing, so obviously it did not apply, you really think that is going to fly?

Really?

I think you have trouble admitting you are wrong, so you make up silly things. That's your problem, not anyone else's.

You (or somebody) said that a flashing hand and a countdown means "don't walk". Where does it say that in DC law?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Sure. I'll reiterate.
This is also addressed specifically in the following sections:

2302.2Pedestrians facing a “WALK” signal may proceed across the roadway in the direction of the signal and shall be given the right-of-way by the drivers of all vehicles.

2302.3No pedestrian shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of a “DON’T WALK” or “WAIT” signal.

No "unless it is flashing." It doesn't matter whether it is flashing or not: a "don't walk" symbol means "don't enter the intersection."

Says who?

Drivers education..

"Walk" or "Walking Person" signal light means it is legal to cross the street. "Don't Walk" or "Raised Hand" signal light means you may not start crossing the street. Flashing "Don't Walk" or Flashing "Raised Hand" signal light means do not start crossing the street because the traffic signal is about to change.

No, driver's ed is not the law.

Anonymous wrote:Do you also think the regulation doesn't apply when it is raining?

When it is Tuesday?

It doesn't reference flashing lights, so whether the light is flashing is not relevant. If you go before a judge under this regulations, and you say but you see, it was flashing, so obviously it did not apply, you really think that is going to fly?

Really?

I think you have trouble admitting you are wrong, so you make up silly things. That's your problem, not anyone else's.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Sure. I'll reiterate.
This is also addressed specifically in the following sections:

2302.2Pedestrians facing a “WALK” signal may proceed across the roadway in the direction of the signal and shall be given the right-of-way by the drivers of all vehicles.

2302.3No pedestrian shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of a “DON’T WALK” or “WAIT” signal.

No "unless it is flashing." It doesn't matter whether it is flashing or not: a "don't walk" symbol means "don't enter the intersection."

Says who?

Drivers education..

"Walk" or "Walking Person" signal light means it is legal to cross the street. "Don't Walk" or "Raised Hand" signal light means you may not start crossing the street. Flashing "Don't Walk" or Flashing "Raised Hand" signal light means do not start crossing the street because the traffic signal is about to change.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Sure. I'll reiterate.
This is also addressed specifically in the following sections:

2302.2Pedestrians facing a “WALK” signal may proceed across the roadway in the direction of the signal and shall be given the right-of-way by the drivers of all vehicles.

2302.3No pedestrian shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of a “DON’T WALK” or “WAIT” signal.

No "unless it is flashing." It doesn't matter whether it is flashing or not: a "don't walk" symbol means "don't enter the intersection."

Says who?

Anonymous wrote:DP. Sure. I'll reiterate.
This is also addressed specifically in the following sections:

2302.2Pedestrians facing a “WALK” signal may proceed across the roadway in the direction of the signal and shall be given the right-of-way by the drivers of all vehicles.

2302.3No pedestrian shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of a “DON’T WALK” or “WAIT” signal.

No "unless it is flashing." It doesn't matter whether it is flashing or not: a "don't walk" symbol means "don't enter the intersection."