Anonymous
07/08/2019 14:54
Subject: WC Fail
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Netherlands is the European Champions. Europe has great teams and players (France, England, Sweden, etc.). So being a European Champion is a great feat for the Netherlands Women’s National Team and shows that they are the best of the European Teams.
But..........the USWNT is the WC Champions!
Everyone has a great plan until they get punched in the nose.
Sigh. My point all along has been that winning this year could ironically be bad for the future. I can't argue with people who can't argue
The US just beat Sweden, Spain, France, England, and the Netherlands. That is the only argument needed for now. As far as the future goes ... who gives a crap yet. Enjoy the moment now. We can worry about the future tomorrow. Sure, the Euros are catching up, which was to be expected. Good for them. The more competition the better.
You’re not listening so just stop commenting.
Parents- here is an excellent, on point analysis of what happened in the game, ending in a prediction similar to many of those offered in this thread. This is how coaches saw the game:
https://spielverlagerung.com/2019/07/07/usa-win-4th-womens-world-cup/?doing_wp_cron=1562582936.6201078891754150390625
No, you're not listening to counter opinions. You think you know it all, but you are missing the forest for the trees. So let me present a better argument. I took a look at the linked article. It is an overly analyzed synopsis on an old tactic: when outmanned against a superior opponent, drop back and play a lot of conservative D and try to get lucky on a counter attack goal. It is how the 1994 US team beat Columbia in the men's WC. It is also how Italy beat Germany in the 1982 men's final. Another analogy is how the NY Knicks had decent success in the early to mid 90's by playing "bully-slow down" ball. This is not some "revolution" in sports, it is old hat. History shows that 9 times out of 10 the team with better talent will win unless that team is totally incoherent. Every once in a while David does beat Goliath, but it is rare. The USWNT is not incoherent and won't be in the future. The USWNT is very competent. Yes, the Euro teams play a more attractive brand of one-and-two touch soccer with better off ball movement at times than the US. But the US still wins. They are simply better individually and have strong chemistry as a team. Now … let's see how the talent develops over the next four years. I agree that Euros will get better individually as well, but we'll see how much close the gap. The scary thing for the Euros is that the US in aware now and will adjust to that impending threat, both individually and as a program. Lavelle and others will go and play in Europe (just as Horan and Morgan did) and learn from their systems too, just as the Euros came and played in US College systems. There will be a blending of styles which will level the playing field. This will eventually lead back to the old sports adage, "speed and athleticism kills." It will be the only differentiator between the US and top Euro countries who will ALL play the same style in 4 years. When it comes to that adage, my money is on the US due to our demographics and economy. Side note: this is also why USMNT will always struggle: the Euro teams are faster, better athletes than the USMNT and will be as long as US top athletes choose to play other, higher paying, and higher profile US pro sports. To sum up, "the more things change, the more they stay the same."
Thank you for a cogent response that is on topic. In my mind, there is a heaven/ hell scenario. As you indicate, the game constantly evolves. One need look no further than Germany's ignominious defeat in the last WC to validate that. In the same vein, Italy's catanaccio bit the dust etc. If US Soccer has the insight to say "Ok, the gap is closing, we may have escaped a bit in 2019, how can we get better?" That will be the proper response and will yield growth. However, I am pretty familiar with the US methodology, and I think their attitude will be "See, we know what we are doing!" And continue with their mindless rules ( no rondos ever etc) in coaching courses. Given past experience, I am betting on hell.
Huh? All countries will play the same style? When in history has that ever happened in any sport?
All countries play a lot more alike than they used to. They will never totally play the same, but the styles will continue to blend more and more. Technology has enabled easier travel, communication, media, and information sharing. This drives similarity (not duplication, but similarity). My point is not that they will play exactly the same, but with increasing similarity. This will decrease the variables that drive differentiation while also decreasing differentiation between those countries with the wealth and focus to keep pace (i.e. the US and Euro powers and Japan). As you see from even this year's WC, the team that won 8 years ago and lost in the finals 4 years ago was taken out early this year. Japan is still very skilled and plays with high IQ, but they cannot hang with the faster, more athletic US and Euro powers. The rest of the world adjusted and they did not. You can bet that they have now learned and will adjust to blend some more athleticism for 2023, as they have the money and focus to do so.
Anonymous
07/08/2019 13:57
Subject: WC Fail
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Netherlands is the European Champions. Europe has great teams and players (France, England, Sweden, etc.). So being a European Champion is a great feat for the Netherlands Women’s National Team and shows that they are the best of the European Teams.
But..........the USWNT is the WC Champions!
Everyone has a great plan until they get punched in the nose.
Sigh. My point all along has been that winning this year could ironically be bad for the future. I can't argue with people who can't argue
The US just beat Sweden, Spain, France, England, and the Netherlands. That is the only argument needed for now. As far as the future goes ... who gives a crap yet. Enjoy the moment now. We can worry about the future tomorrow. Sure, the Euros are catching up, which was to be expected. Good for them. The more competition the better.
You’re not listening so just stop commenting.
Parents- here is an excellent, on point analysis of what happened in the game, ending in a prediction similar to many of those offered in this thread. This is how coaches saw the game:
https://spielverlagerung.com/2019/07/07/usa-win-4th-womens-world-cup/?doing_wp_cron=1562582936.6201078891754150390625
No, you're not listening to counter opinions. You think you know it all, but you are missing the forest for the trees. So let me present a better argument. I took a look at the linked article. It is an overly analyzed synopsis on an old tactic: when outmanned against a superior opponent, drop back and play a lot of conservative D and try to get lucky on a counter attack goal. It is how the 1994 US team beat Columbia in the men's WC. It is also how Italy beat Germany in the 1982 men's final. Another analogy is how the NY Knicks had decent success in the early to mid 90's by playing "bully-slow down" ball. This is not some "revolution" in sports, it is old hat. History shows that 9 times out of 10 the team with better talent will win unless that team is totally incoherent. Every once in a while David does beat Goliath, but it is rare. The USWNT is not incoherent and won't be in the future. The USWNT is very competent. Yes, the Euro teams play a more attractive brand of one-and-two touch soccer with better off ball movement at times than the US. But the US still wins. They are simply better individually and have strong chemistry as a team. Now … let's see how the talent develops over the next four years. I agree that Euros will get better individually as well, but we'll see how much close the gap. The scary thing for the Euros is that the US in aware now and will adjust to that impending threat, both individually and as a program. Lavelle and others will go and play in Europe (just as Horan and Morgan did) and learn from their systems too, just as the Euros came and played in US College systems. There will be a blending of styles which will level the playing field. This will eventually lead back to the old sports adage, "speed and athleticism kills." It will be the only differentiator between the US and top Euro countries who will ALL play the same style in 4 years. When it comes to that adage, my money is on the US due to our demographics and economy. Side note: this is also why USMNT will always struggle: the Euro teams are faster, better athletes than the USMNT and will be as long as US top athletes choose to play other, higher paying, and higher profile US pro sports. To sum up, "the more things change, the more they stay the same."
Thank you for a cogent response that is on topic. In my mind, there is a heaven/ hell scenario. As you indicate, the game constantly evolves. One need look no further than Germany's ignominious defeat in the last WC to validate that. In the same vein, Italy's catanaccio bit the dust etc. If US Soccer has the insight to say "Ok, the gap is closing, we may have escaped a bit in 2019, how can we get better?" That will be the proper response and will yield growth. However, I am pretty familiar with the US methodology, and I think their attitude will be "See, we know what we are doing!" And continue with their mindless rules ( no rondos ever etc) in coaching courses. Given past experience, I am betting on hell.
Huh? All countries will play the same style? When in history has that ever happened in any sport?
Anonymous
07/08/2019 12:58
Subject: WC Fail
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Netherlands is the European Champions. Europe has great teams and players (France, England, Sweden, etc.). So being a European Champion is a great feat for the Netherlands Women’s National Team and shows that they are the best of the European Teams.
But..........the USWNT is the WC Champions!
Everyone has a great plan until they get punched in the nose.
Sigh. My point all along has been that winning this year could ironically be bad for the future. I can't argue with people who can't argue
The US just beat Sweden, Spain, France, England, and the Netherlands. That is the only argument needed for now. As far as the future goes ... who gives a crap yet. Enjoy the moment now. We can worry about the future tomorrow. Sure, the Euros are catching up, which was to be expected. Good for them. The more competition the better.
You’re not listening so just stop commenting.
Parents- here is an excellent, on point analysis of what happened in the game, ending in a prediction similar to many of those offered in this thread. This is how coaches saw the game:
https://spielverlagerung.com/2019/07/07/usa-win-4th-womens-world-cup/?doing_wp_cron=1562582936.6201078891754150390625
This is excellent. Thank you for posting it.