“Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?”

The answer is that McLean produced several. FCV none, but had some really strong teams too. McLean regularly beat FCV and was the superior ECNL club back when there were only these two elite teams and ECNL was the only game in town. Currently, at the DA/ECNL level for girls ages 05 and older, FCV has the best local teams and players overall and a few of their older age group da teams have a solid chance of winning at da nationals later this month. The rest of FCV teams (non DA) and their boys side is nothing special compared to all the other local clubs. Currently McLean has a few “near the top” ECNL teams that will also compete at nationals later this month. They will not win any. McLean’s non-ECNL teams are also nothing special. So two conclusions:

A) the dilution argument is correct in that McLean’s top teams have been dilluted by Arlington DA, MU DA, and BRYC ECNL and to a lesser degree due to geography, Loudoun ECNL and VDA ECNL. FCV’s DA program at the older kids level is as strong as it ever was due to two reasons: 1) the allure of the DA platform; 2) the fact they merged with Loudoun in 2017 in the shared DA approach, then split off, taking their best players in the process ... hence getting the best FCV and Loudoun players in the process. However, the dilution affect is already impacting FCV dominance at the elite level at the 06 and younger levels and will continue to do so.

B) Most kid’s don’t play DA or ECNL. For those kids, playing at FCV or McLean offers no advantages over other clubs (unless their practice fields are close to home) and in the case of FCV, due to their staff’s obsessive focus on the top girls teams only, their shoddy administration, and their bait and switch tactics on coaches for the non-da teams, is a place to avoid if possible.

Finally, college coaches and recruiting. Yes, the teams with the better records will be watched more and those in DA with better records will be watched the most. However a high performing ECNL team will get watched more than a poor performing DA team on average. Either way with more da and ECNL teams there are more local girls than ever getting some exposure, but each exposure is more dilluted due to the overall increase in teams since a coach / scout can only be in one place at a time.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

College coaches at training isn’t a huge deal. It’s pretty standard for ecnl/da teams in recruiting ages. Especially this time of year. Can you get off the loudoun thing? Ecnl has loudoun. Da has spirit va/metro. It’s called dilution.

Anyone notice that there’s A LOT more FCV hate than McLean hate on this thread? Kind of tellls you something. Other than DA 06 and older, FCV may as well fold up shop.

This thread and the YouTube dad are why everyone hates FCV. Oh and their latest slimey td.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

Go wash your hands. Yuck

Truth hurts?

Bottom line is that MU and Arlington have much more potential to become elite destination clubs than any ECNL club purely for the exposure reason the OP posted above. It is ok if you are making a decision to play for a club based on convenience, but that doesn't mean college coaches are coming to watch your team play.

College coaches aren’t watching ECNL teams play? You’ve lost all credibility on that statement. They’re just leagues man and one of them is in its second year.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

Go wash your hands. Yuck

Truth hurts?

Bottom line is that MU and Arlington have much more potential to become elite destination clubs than any ECNL club purely for the exposure reason the OP posted above. It is ok if you are making a decision to play for a club based on convenience, but that doesn't mean college coaches are coming to watch your team play.

MU as a destination club? Bartender...

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

You watched 160 minutes of youth soccer in the middle of a work day without your daughter being in either game? I hope you’re a coach but I’d say by your post that you can’t be. Just a know it all fcv dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

This is an all-time great DCUM post. Kudos to you FCV dad. Hopefully you’ve been training. I’m sure the playoffs will give you the urge to fight your fellow fcv parents again. I’m assuming you played JV soccer 20 years ago. We appreciate the insight. Go FCV!

The future is FCV*

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

This is an all-time great DCUM post. Kudos to you FCV dad. Hopefully you’ve been training. I’m sure the playoffs will give you the urge to fight your fellow fcv parents again. I’m assuming you played JV soccer 20 years ago. We appreciate the insight. Go FCV!

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Looking forward to the show as the dilution takes more effect.

Anonymous wrote:My daughters ECNL practices, scrimmages, local and showcase games are attended by college scouts.

Put down the DA crack pipe.

My daughter also plays for an often criticized ECNL program with younger teams preparing for the playoffs. We’ve had college coaches at training each night for 2 weeks. Better exposure in the DA? Both leagues get outstanding college exposure. Both leagues have teams that play the beautiful games and both have some that don’t. I guess we will never know how much better fcv is than everyone because they won’t scrimmage anybody.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

Go wash your hands. Yuck

Truth hurts?

Bottom line is that MU and Arlington have much more potential to become elite destination clubs than any ECNL club purely for the exposure reason the OP posted above. It is ok if you are making a decision to play for a club based on convenience, but that doesn't mean college coaches are coming to watch your team play.

You sound like pee wee Herman in a movie theater. Chill TF out you narcasstic goof ball.

You smell like desperation and consistently display a shockingly low level of knowledge for someone who writes "truth" every fifth word

My daughters ECNL practices, scrimmages, local and showcase games are attended by college scouts.

Put down the DA crack pipe.

What proof is there that recruiting is better in DA?

Also, to the moron comparing local teams to PDA -- Get serious! PDA will wipe out most teams in the country including those in the DA. Anyone who has seen a McLean or FCV team play knows that they play solid soccer which is why both clubs have multiple teams going to Nationals and players on US Youth team and players going to the best schools in the country.

Stop with the sour grapes already!

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

Go wash your hands. Yuck

Truth hurts?

Bottom line is that MU and Arlington have much more potential to become elite destination clubs than any ECNL club purely for the exposure reason the OP posted above. It is ok if you are making a decision to play for a club based on convenience, but that doesn't mean college coaches are coming to watch your team play.

Unless your kid is a top three player at an FCV the coaches who come to training are not there to see your kid.