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Anonymous wrote:Show me some evidence that it does work? What i know is that one more than one occasion my children have been assaulted and once sexually harassed by mainstreamed kids. In both cases they did not learn empathy, they learned that there are no consequences for the SN kids and that they just have to take it.

If your child was assaulted or sexually harassed, did you fill out the Bullying, Harassment, and Intimidation Form to report the incidents? Formally reporting incidents creates a record so the behavior is addressed. For Special Needs students, the report should be considered by the school’s IEP team to develop a plan to improve the student behavior.

For any student, if no one takes the time to submit the paperwork then the behavior goes unaddressed. BTW my child was attacked in a stairwell at Churchill this year and the students were not Special Needs as far as my child knows. They were just a group of bullies who thought they would have the advantage of 4 kids against 1.

Of course it was reported but there is nothing they can or will do because of the SN so my child had to stay in a class with a child who assaulted him. Would you expect someone to stay in a work place with someone who assaulted them? The sexual harasser was on the bus and they wouldn't remove him only put him in the front. Yes I get that it is hard for SN kids but that doesn't mean that all the other kids relinquish their right to go to a school without fear. There is no education, there is no advocacy they just throw all these kids together and expect that they will learn empathy. It is nonsense and not helpful to anyone.

There's plenty that they can and should do. Provide the student with a paraeducator to monitor and direct appropriate behavior. Move the child to a different classes but one in the least restrictive environment. Have a IEP discussion to develop a Behavioral Intervention Plan. Finally, children with special needs are not immune from punishment that aligns with the student code of conduct. Some of these may have been implemented but there are confidentiality restrictions so you would not be informed as to what the school did with the student

How much money per SN student Fed give to MCPS? What are the cost per SN student in MCPS? Should the bus driver and para ed be paid more when they work with SN student? A bus picks up a SN student on our street every day morning. Usually, he is the only student on the bus. Does MCPS provide one bus for every SN student?

Anonymous wrote:The thing is that we are asking too much of our schools and our teachers. They don’t just have to know their subject matter and how to impart that knowledge, they have to be special ed teachers, they have to be social workers and psychologists, they have to be de facto parents oh and as a society we will undervalue them, second guess them and the parents will harass them. Why would you want your SN child taught by someone who is not a specialist? It would be like having your PCP treat your heart disease. It is a recipe for everyone to be underserved. The SN kids would be better served in an environment that caters to their needs and then look for ways to promote social inclusion on another level.

Your entire position is based on your belief that students in special ed, and maybe all people with disabilities, are less valuable than their neutotypical peers. When you say we are asking too much of the schools and teachers to educate children with disabilities, you give away your bigotry. You are arguing that it is acceptable and better to discriminate against people with disabilities. You are pretending that all students in special ed come in one flavor - the oversized violent almost psychopathic rage filled student represents your entire understandng of special ed. This does not represent most children in special ed. Despite this distinction, even the most disabled student in this country is entitled to an appropriate education. Federal laws make this so. The feds give money to the schools for special ed. Your question re why would parents want their kid taught by someone other than a specialist shows you know nothing about special ed in the public school systems. There are supposed to be specialists in the schools who are knowlegeable enough to help their student population. And btw, I guess you haven't been in a public school lately because most have psychologists and social workers. Teachers have also been acting in those roles for neurotypical children whenever needed. It bugs you if they have to do it for these other children. IDEA is based on the premise that these students will have individualized plans to help them access academic content. The schools are tasked to provide these specialists. The problem is that too many people are bigots like you and many school systems, at every turn, do everything they can to undermine and take funds from special ed.

It seems you are arguing that all students with disabilities should be shunned and segregated. You don't understand disabilites or how school systems are supposed to work with the population. Because they take short cuts or cut funding, services aren't provided or innappropriate people are given jobs they should have and abusive situations occur. The wonderful legislators who passed the IDEA knew that the only way to ensure disabled people were given a fair chance was to create federal laws that would make it illegal to discriminate against them. What you propose is discrimination against people with disabilities.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for them.

It’s so bad some of us don’t even send similar kids to public schools because we don’t want them abused.

It should not be this way. Our kids deserve an appropriate, free education just like everyone else. They shouldn’t be experiencing abuse at school, but it happens a lot and there’s no excuse for that.

really?

Let's say this autistic kid is 6 feet tall and 200 lbs. He tries to bite other kids, or he is so unruly that he causes an uproar. This kid's rights trump the safety of others?

I'd sue the system if this kid caused the bus to crash, thus harming my child and other innocent kids on that bus.

The entitlement is off the charts.

Safety first.

Except that isn't what happened so stop painting the student as an out-of-control monstrous sized psycho. You are out of line.

I'm out of line? Talk to my friends who taught in the ED programs in the county. THEN tell me I'm out of line.

again - entitlement

entitlement not to have disabled kids be mistreated? what exactly do you want, permission to use cattle prods? it's been explained to you numerous time that poor training and behavior on the part of the staff in reaction to expected behavior by the child is what lead to this incident. but, you are insistent that all disabled boys are monsters who need to be handcuffed, so ...

I don’t think anyone is saying that disabled kids are monsters are deserve to be mistreated. What they are saying is that you have staff working with inadequate resources and that some SN kids are capable of inflicting real harm to staff and their peers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for them.

It’s so bad some of us don’t even send similar kids to public schools because we don’t want them abused.

It should not be this way. Our kids deserve an appropriate, free education just like everyone else. They shouldn’t be experiencing abuse at school, but it happens a lot and there’s no excuse for that.

really?

Let's say this autistic kid is 6 feet tall and 200 lbs. He tries to bite other kids, or he is so unruly that he causes an uproar. This kid's rights trump the safety of others?

I'd sue the system if this kid caused the bus to crash, thus harming my child and other innocent kids on that bus.

The entitlement is off the charts.

Safety first.

Except that isn't what happened so stop painting the student as an out-of-control monstrous sized psycho. You are out of line.

I'm out of line? Talk to my friends who taught in the ED programs in the county. THEN tell me I'm out of line.

again - entitlement

entitlement not to have disabled kids be mistreated? what exactly do you want, permission to use cattle prods? it's been explained to you numerous time that poor training and behavior on the part of the staff in reaction to expected behavior by the child is what lead to this incident. but, you are insistent that all disabled boys are monsters who need to be handcuffed, so ...

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for them.

It’s so bad some of us don’t even send similar kids to public schools because we don’t want them abused.

It should not be this way. Our kids deserve an appropriate, free education just like everyone else. They shouldn’t be experiencing abuse at school, but it happens a lot and there’s no excuse for that.

really?

Let's say this autistic kid is 6 feet tall and 200 lbs. He tries to bite other kids, or he is so unruly that he causes an uproar. This kid's rights trump the safety of others?

I'd sue the system if this kid caused the bus to crash, thus harming my child and other innocent kids on that bus.

The entitlement is off the charts.

Safety first.

Except that isn't what happened so stop painting the student as an out-of-control monstrous sized psycho. You are out of line.

I'm out of line? Talk to my friends who taught in the ED programs in the county. THEN tell me I'm out of line.

again - entitlement

Anonymous wrote:The thing is that we are asking too much of our schools and our teachers. They don’t just have to know their subject matter and how to impart that knowledge, they have to be special ed teachers, they have to be social workers and psychologists, they have to be de facto parents oh and as a society we will undervalue them, second guess them and the parents will harass them. Why would you want your SN child taught by someone who is not a specialist? It would be like having your PCP treat your heart disease. It is a recipe for everyone to be underserved. The SN kids would be better served in an environment that caters to their needs and then look for ways to promote social inclusion on another level.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is that we are asking too much of our schools and our teachers. They don’t just have to know their subject matter and how to impart that knowledge, they have to be special ed teachers, they have to be social workers and psychologists, they have to be de facto parents oh and as a society we will undervalue them, second guess them and the parents will harass them. Why would you want your SN child taught by someone who is not a specialist? It would be like having your PCP treat your heart disease. It is a recipe for everyone to be underserved. The SN kids would be better served in an environment that caters to their needs and then look for ways to promote social inclusion on another level.

give me a break. this was a child with SPECIAL NEEDS, transported via a bus that was set up specifically to handle kids with SPECIAL NEEDS, using money in part from the federal government for use with children with SPECIAL NEEDS. Unless you think kids with special needs should be kept in purdah at home, I don't know what you think you're saying. you know nothing.

A SN bus staffed with people who were undertrained and underpaid. I’m not sure how much we can expect of people that we are probably paying $18 an hour. They should be better trained and better pod but the money isn’t there. Hell we pay the people who take care of our infants like $12 an hour. These kids require a level of service that we as a society either can’t or won’t pay for plain and simple.

Anonymous wrote:The thing is that we are asking too much of our schools and our teachers. They don’t just have to know their subject matter and how to impart that knowledge, they have to be special ed teachers, they have to be social workers and psychologists, they have to be de facto parents oh and as a society we will undervalue them, second guess them and the parents will harass them. Why would you want your SN child taught by someone who is not a specialist? It would be like having your PCP treat your heart disease. It is a recipe for everyone to be underserved. The SN kids would be better served in an environment that caters to their needs and then look for ways to promote social inclusion on another level.

give me a break. this was a child with SPECIAL NEEDS, transported via a bus that was set up specifically to handle kids with SPECIAL NEEDS, using money in part from the federal government for use with children with SPECIAL NEEDS. Unless you think kids with special needs should be kept in purdah at home, I don't know what you think you're saying. you know nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for them.

It’s so bad some of us don’t even send similar kids to public schools because we don’t want them abused.

It should not be this way. Our kids deserve an appropriate, free education just like everyone else. They shouldn’t be experiencing abuse at school, but it happens a lot and there’s no excuse for that.

really?

Let's say this autistic kid is 6 feet tall and 200 lbs. He tries to bite other kids, or he is so unruly that he causes an uproar. This kid's rights trump the safety of others?

I'd sue the system if this kid caused the bus to crash, thus harming my child and other innocent kids on that bus.

The entitlement is off the charts.

Safety first.

Except that isn't what happened so stop painting the student as an out-of-control monstrous sized psycho.
You are out of line.

You are out of line... on an anonymous board where we are requested to give our opinions.
So, very, out of line.

Looks like mom finally showed up.

wait, who is out of line? you're the one making up alarmist counter-factuals. gtfo.

The thing is that we are asking too much of our schools and our teachers. They don’t just have to know their subject matter and how to impart that knowledge, they have to be special ed teachers, they have to be social workers and psychologists, they have to be de facto parents oh and as a society we will undervalue them, second guess them and the parents will harass them. Why would you want your SN child taught by someone who is not a specialist? It would be like having your PCP treat your heart disease. It is a recipe for everyone to be underserved. The SN kids would be better served in an environment that caters to their needs and then look for ways to promote social inclusion on another level.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for them.

It’s so bad some of us don’t even send similar kids to public schools because we don’t want them abused.

It should not be this way. Our kids deserve an appropriate, free education just like everyone else. They shouldn’t be experiencing abuse at school, but it happens a lot and there’s no excuse for that.

really?

Let's say this autistic kid is 6 feet tall and 200 lbs. He tries to bite other kids, or he is so unruly that he causes an uproar. This kid's rights trump the safety of others?

I'd sue the system if this kid caused the bus to crash, thus harming my child and other innocent kids on that bus.

The entitlement is off the charts.

Safety first.

Except that isn't what happened so stop painting the student as an out-of-control monstrous sized psycho.
You are out of line.

You are out of line... on an anonymous board where we are requested to give our opinions.
So, very, out of line.

Looks like mom finally showed up.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sure that the ratio of bullying of Special Needs students by non-Special Needs students at Churchill is much higher than the other way around. Students can be cruel from teasing students about the attributes of their disabilities (ie. how they talk or walk), excluding kids from groups for lunch, Homecoming, or Prom, to calling them names like retard, Special Eddie, or Sped. Before you think mainstreaming is hard on your child without disabilities, take a moment to think about how hard high school (let alone a high school like Churchill) is for children with visible differences and challenges.

Sorry, it's the precise opposite.

Show us the evidence that it's "the precise opposite."

How about you prove your hypothesis first.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for them.

It’s so bad some of us don’t even send similar kids to public schools because we don’t want them abused.

It should not be this way. Our kids deserve an appropriate, free education just like everyone else. They shouldn’t be experiencing abuse at school, but it happens a lot and there’s no excuse for that.

really?

Let's say this autistic kid is 6 feet tall and 200 lbs. He tries to bite other kids, or he is so unruly that he causes an uproar. This kid's rights trump the safety of others?

I'd sue the system if this kid caused the bus to crash, thus harming my child and other innocent kids on that bus.

The entitlement is off the charts.

Safety first.

Except that isn't what happened so stop painting the student as an out-of-control monstrous sized psycho. You are out of line.

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Anonymous wrote:So if the kid was actually going to hurt the supervising and driving adults - what should they do? Just because he has autism does not mean he was not also acting in a dangerous or threatening manner.

Instead of hiring people with extra training, an enhanced ability to think and problem solve and a sense of empathy for SN people, the school systems hires uneducated people that they can pay the least amount of money right ofc the street to care for SN kids. What could go wrong?

This is true. The people who work most closely with the most disabled are often the least educated and trained. It is heart breaking. I can't imagine the fear parents of non-verbal children have when they send their children to school.