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Anonymous wrote:"Keep those low-income kids out of Chinese immersion programs."

Keep them coming, heritage racists.

Not any kind of heritage type, racist or not. This white lady only speaks English.

Better yet, keep well-meaning but muddle-headed school system planners from duping low and moderate SES families into believing that their kids can learn to speak languages without supplementing extensively and expensively. Teach them that language exposure at the expense of 50% of instruction in English throughout elementary school is crap.

Pony up to provide families of modest means with the support they need for success, and maintain high standards for learning to speak languages.

Alternatively, have the good grace to educate parents of modest means about how immersion programs without big cohorts of native speakers aren't good for their children.

Anonymous wrote:"Keep those low-income kids out of Chinese immersion programs."

Keep them coming, heritage racists.

Anonymous wrote:Low-income kids whose families don't speak target languages don't belong in immersion programs absent all kinds of pricey special support. They simply don't.

My sister sends her children to a Chinese immersion program in MoCo where low-income students attend a month-long summer immersion camp for free. If the kids don't attend the camp,and can't pass a spoken Chinese evaluation test when they return to school in the fall, they're counseled out of the program. Poor kids also given hundreds of dollars worth of technology to access Mandarin education programs and entertainment for kids, and gratis and a great deal of after-school tutoring in Chinese.

No point in pretending that most of the low SES kids (and high SES kids whose parents don't care to splash out to supplement) can learn to speak Chinese without these kind of inputs. YY merely pretends and it hurts the kids.

Anonymous wrote:"Okay, we're racists! Stop learning our language, you stupid black and Latino families!"

At least it's finally out there.

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Anonymous wrote:^ If only the world worked like this. Not even in the program yet and already drinking the Kool-aid.

Check back with us 7 or 8 years from now.

How about you pull back from the wine bottle, and pay your children and husband some attention! Oops, my bad... that's why you have your au pair.

Check back with me 7 or 8 years from now, after your husband has left you and started a new family with your au pair!

***sips blue raspberry lemonade Kool-aid*** it's my favorite kind!!

Not at YY, new poster, no dog in this fight-

While I understand that a lot of these YY posts are pretty hostile, I think it is important to note that a lot of parents have magical thinking when it comes to immersion. It would also benefit everyone to have a close connection with families who have native level proficiency.

I understand that it easy to say that those with au pairs are privileged, which is true, but it is equally true that the school isn’t going to magically turn your monolingual child into a multilingual child without some really hard work and sacrifices on your part. We save as much as we can to travel to Spanish speaking places (at a Spanish immersion school) and really put significant effort to maximize Spanish speaking situations (camps, tutors, enrichment, etc) and we are a Spanish speaking family!

If you’re not willing to do anything outside of the minimum, I’m sorry but the chances of your child actually speaking the target language are really low.

Great post, PP. Really low is right (not that many immersion parents mind). To my mind, most of the critical posts on this particular thread haven't been "hostile" as much as inconveniently incisive.

You're right that magical thinking is sadly pervasive in the world of DC public charter immersion. When parents insist that they don't need a close connection with families who have a native level proficiency during the years of immersion, or regular childcare providers who speak the target language either, the joke is on the immersion students who don't speak the target language at home.

In our several years of recent experience with an immersion program, the hard work and sacrifices are mostly lacking in these DC charter programs. You meet many families with the resources to provide the necessary language inputs who don't bother. You see more of what it takes at Oyster.

I wouldn’t hold oyster up as an example, sorry. They’re a mess and don’t do a good job teaching grammar.

Anonymous wrote:"Okay, we're racists! Stop learning our language, you stupid black and Latino families!"

At least it's finally out there.

Anonymous wrote:"Okay, we're racists! Stop learning our language, you stupid black and Latino families!"

At least it's finally out there.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, ethnic Chinese have deep problems with racism that go unaddressed - they would never voluntarily enroll in any school like YY which has to serve AA and Hispanic students.

+1. YY bashers never, ever address this.

Neither would I voluntarily enroll in any school that purports to be a 50% Chinese immersion program but primarily serves AA and Hispanic students. No way. Too stupid.

When you say “too stupid” are you referring to black and Hispanic students?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, ethnic Chinese have deep problems with racism that go unaddressed - they would never voluntarily enroll in any school like YY which has to serve AA and Hispanic students.

+1. YY bashers never, ever address this.

Neither would I voluntarily enroll in any school that purports to be a 50% Chinese immersion program but primarily serves AA and Hispanic students. No way. Too stupid.