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Anonymous wrote:PP, I hear you, I also feel like bus to metro lengthens my commute a lot and I get that it won't work for everyone. But we're trying really, really hard to avoid getting a second car as long as possible (I think having a second kid might be the breaking point), and those are factors that would help for people who do need or want to use public transit.

No doubt, and I am not saying they would have no impact or are bad ideas. But there are a number of people who post on various threads claiming added buses would be a panacea and everyone should be willing to use them. I was merely pointing out why it would be hard for increased buses to have a major impact because it would still lead to doubling or tripling of commmite times (more if you required two buses to make it work, more likely when you factor in people often don't go straight home) something I doubt man of the posters would be willing to do themselves.

Plenty of people use buses now. Increased bus frequency would almost certainly make it more viable for more people (especially for people who take more than one, because it would reduce transfer delay)

Yup. It certainly wouldn't be a panacea but it's by far the most obvious step to better serve people with transit beyond a mile from metro. Just like a lot of people will just drive instead of using metro on weekend s because the time between trains is so long, and the obvious solution (given political will and funding, obviously) would be to increase service...that's a tradeoff people make with buses every day of the week.

The bus I use occasionally is not very full, even in rush. Increased frequency would help some, but I believe far less than you think.

Even if you triple the current capacity, going from every 30 to every 10 minutes, people's commute times would increase significantly, more so for people not going directly home or those returning post rush when frequency would presumably be reduced.

We hear right and left on this board how an extra 20-30 minute commute is a killer, but in this context people assume folks would be willing to add that time to take the bus. Not that many would. And if someone was proposing you increase your commute by that length for the greater good, I doubt you would be too keen either.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You do realize the name of the website you're posting on? Commute length is one of the largest factors in life satisfaction so "terrible mental health" does not have any basis in reality.

We're on Capitol Hill and very close with our neighbors. DW and I garden with the woman next door and if I needed someone to check on the house I would have my choice between 3 people. We don't engage in the suburban BMW X1 vs X3 pissing contest so I guess in that sense we're not that close.

You do realize that people on this board don't always and actually rarely work in DC. They also don't have terrible commutes because they work within their own suburb. Sure you can look at a small sliver of the population that have a terrible commute and extrapolate that everybody in the burbs also have the same commute, which is often done on this board. People on this board could not believe people in Gaitherburg actually work at Shady Grove Hospital, or Medimmune or NCI.

Wow 3 people.

NP. Source for people "rarely" working in DC on this particular site?

There has been a recent influx of suburban tumbleweeds like PP who visit this site because they live in "DC" (Rockville). Large overlap with the conservatives on here who moan being oppressed on a privately-run internet message board.

Oh yes, Rockville is teaming with conservatives. Notable Tea Party representative Jamie Raskin ably represents such die hard right wingers.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You are the poster child for poor mental health. How many times have you crapped on people on DCUM in the last 24 hours? Feel any better? Didn’t think so. Go see a therapist instead of spewing the byproduct of your self-hatred here on others.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You do realize the name of the website you're posting on? Commute length is one of the largest factors in life satisfaction so "terrible mental health" does not have any basis in reality.

We're on Capitol Hill and very close with our neighbors. DW and I garden with the woman next door and if I needed someone to check on the house I would have my choice between 3 people. We don't engage in the suburban BMW X1 vs X3 pissing contest so I guess in that sense we're not that close.

You do realize that people on this board don't always and actually rarely work in DC. They also don't have terrible commutes because they work within their own suburb. Sure you can look at a small sliver of the population that have a terrible commute and extrapolate that everybody in the burbs also have the same commute, which is often done on this board. People on this board could not believe people in Gaitherburg actually work at Shady Grove Hospital, or Medimmune or NCI.

Wow 3 people.

Again, keep in mind that you're posting on an urban parenting website so telling me to check myself because you live and work in the burbs and never come into the city unless it's for a Nats game is a little ironic.

I WFH full-time, others can take a chauffeured Suburban to their offices. From a numbers standpoint the vast majority of this region works in a job center and lives in a suburb.

I lived in DC for 25 years, I have family buried at Mt. Olivet, so I visit only to take my mom there now. But welcome to our city. No, the "vast" majority work in the in burbs. The large percentage... still not the majority of people that have little to no experience ... young people, will go to the city to get a job.. get experience then get the f out.

The unearned "our city" arrogance is only funnier when it's coming from someone who no longer lives here. You couldn't afford to raise a family here and moved to the burbs. Tale as old as time. Sorry bud.

Your new money trope is so cute. You probably work for my family.

What is up with the suburban obsession with class and old vs new money?

Suburbanites fall into 3 categories, in terms of commute (I am over simplifying but think this will still add some clarity)

1. Some commute into DC (or, almost the same from far suburns into DC adjacent places like Crystal City)

2. Some have short suburb to suburb commutes - Germantown to Gaithersburg, or Oakton to Tysons, for example.

3. Some have pretty long suburb to suburb commutes - Gaithersburg to Reston, Largo to Tysons, Stafford to Alexandria.


Even if most suburbanites are not doing 1 (varies) it does not mean most are doing 2. A lot are doing three, and THOSE are the people creating backups on the beltway, for the most part. They are also people who very hard to accommodate with any mode other than the auto (with exceptions where commuter rail works)

The average commute time in FFX, Loudoun and I think MoCo is about 30 minutes. Thats not a 5 mile drive. And the average commute times from the suburbs south and southeast of DC are longer.

Anonymous wrote:Just take a look at NoVA and you will see why MD doesn't want another bridge. Its nice out here not like VA which is paved from the district to Leesburg. It is green and quite and peaceful. In addition, the roads that would connect with the bridge cannot handle the likely volume so you'd have to deal with that. Frankly just not worth the trouble.

That argument makes no sense at all. Just because you build a road doesn't necessarily mean development and cars will follow, especially if you have a strict land use policy which MoCo has. You can't build mega suburbia development because of the Agricultural Reserve.

So you couldn't just connect Route 28 in NoVa (which is a limited access highway now) to the ICC/MD200 which is also a limited access highway? If you are concerned about traffic on the rural roads limit the number of exits or dont build any. It is simple as that.

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Anonymous wrote:I cycled home, as I do every night. Beautiful sunset, good exercise. I commend it to those who can make it work.

Are you a man or woman? I ask because when my work moved away from metro - but built no parking - they heavily pushed cycling. The women felt the (all male) bike enthusiasts did not grasp issues like safety in the dark, childcare pickup, and having to do hair and makeup in the office bathroom after a ride. I'm sure many women cycle to work but all the cyclists I know personally are bald dudes with grown kids.

I'm happy not to see anybody in this thread worrying about childcare or having a child in the car with them. I'm sure it happened - my kid used to commute with me and getting stuck like this was a fear.

I am a man. But I would say around one-third of the cyclists in my building are women. We have showers at work to take care of hair etc.
As for childcare, my daughter walks to school now, but when she was younger I was in charge of that as the daycare was in my building. I cycled with her in a child seat on the back of my bike.

Anonymous wrote: As far as bike paths, for a whole host of reasons, a relatively small segment of the population is going to be willing to bike in, even with dedicated bike lines.

I would not be so sure. In Holland the cycling infrastructure is great, and as a consequence one-quarter of the Dutch population cycles every single day. And 87 percent of the population own a bike.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You do realize the name of the website you're posting on? Commute length is one of the largest factors in life satisfaction so "terrible mental health" does not have any basis in reality.

We're on Capitol Hill and very close with our neighbors. DW and I garden with the woman next door and if I needed someone to check on the house I would have my choice between 3 people. We don't engage in the suburban BMW X1 vs X3 pissing contest so I guess in that sense we're not that close.

You do realize that people on this board don't always and actually rarely work in DC. They also don't have terrible commutes because they work within their own suburb. Sure you can look at a small sliver of the population that have a terrible commute and extrapolate that everybody in the burbs also have the same commute, which is often done on this board. People on this board could not believe people in Gaitherburg actually work at Shady Grove Hospital, or Medimmune or NCI.

Wow 3 people.

Its great that some people have short suburb to suburb commutes. Clearly based on yesterday many do not.

Many but not most.... not by a long shot.

Yup. There are statistics on this. This is an old article but I'd be shocked if the trend has reversed in six years: https://wamu.org/story/13/05/31/dcs_population_grows_79_percent_every_workday_outpacing_other_cities/

The bureau of labor statistics will give you the number of jobs in DC. Yes, your article shows tons of people commute to the city but not more than stay out of the city. You do know the 79% number is not the number the percentage of workers that work in DC ... correct. It's just how many would rather slit their wrist than live in DC and prefer a commute to DC to living there.

You can then look at the census bureau for number of people in MD/VA/WV. Do the math yourself. It's clear that most people don't work in DC.

You can look at baby births by year and predict the increase in DC by how many young people think city life would be cool until they realize it's not.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You do realize the name of the website you're posting on? Commute length is one of the largest factors in life satisfaction so "terrible mental health" does not have any basis in reality.

We're on Capitol Hill and very close with our neighbors. DW and I garden with the woman next door and if I needed someone to check on the house I would have my choice between 3 people. We don't engage in the suburban BMW X1 vs X3 pissing contest so I guess in that sense we're not that close.

You do realize that people on this board don't always and actually rarely work in DC. They also don't have terrible commutes because they work within their own suburb. Sure you can look at a small sliver of the population that have a terrible commute and extrapolate that everybody in the burbs also have the same commute, which is often done on this board. People on this board could not believe people in Gaitherburg actually work at Shady Grove Hospital, or Medimmune or NCI.

Wow 3 people.

Again, keep in mind that you're posting on an urban parenting website so telling me to check myself because you live and work in the burbs and never come into the city unless it's for a Nats game is a little ironic.

I WFH full-time, others can take a chauffeured Suburban to their offices. From a numbers standpoint the vast majority of this region works in a job center and lives in a suburb.

I lived in DC for 25 years, I have family buried at Mt. Olivet, so I visit only to take my mom there now. But welcome to our city. No, the "vast" majority work in the in burbs. The large percentage... still not the majority of people that have little to no experience ... young people, will go to the city to get a job.. get experience then get the f out.

The unearned "our city" arrogance is only funnier when it's coming from someone who no longer lives here. You couldn't afford to raise a family here and moved to the burbs. Tale as old as time. Sorry bud.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You do realize the name of the website you're posting on? Commute length is one of the largest factors in life satisfaction so "terrible mental health" does not have any basis in reality.

We're on Capitol Hill and very close with our neighbors. DW and I garden with the woman next door and if I needed someone to check on the house I would have my choice between 3 people. We don't engage in the suburban BMW X1 vs X3 pissing contest so I guess in that sense we're not that close.

You do realize that people on this board don't always and actually rarely work in DC. They also don't have terrible commutes because they work within their own suburb. Sure you can look at a small sliver of the population that have a terrible commute and extrapolate that everybody in the burbs also have the same commute, which is often done on this board. People on this board could not believe people in Gaitherburg actually work at Shady Grove Hospital, or Medimmune or NCI.

Wow 3 people.

Its great that some people have short suburb to suburb commutes. Clearly based on yesterday many do not.

Many but not most.... not by a long shot.

Yup. There are statistics on this. This is an old article but I'd be shocked if the trend has reversed in six years: https://wamu.org/story/13/05/31/dcs_population_grows_79_percent_every_workday_outpacing_other_cities/

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You do realize the name of the website you're posting on? Commute length is one of the largest factors in life satisfaction so "terrible mental health" does not have any basis in reality.

We're on Capitol Hill and very close with our neighbors. DW and I garden with the woman next door and if I needed someone to check on the house I would have my choice between 3 people. We don't engage in the suburban BMW X1 vs X3 pissing contest so I guess in that sense we're not that close.

You do realize that people on this board don't always and actually rarely work in DC. They also don't have terrible commutes because they work within their own suburb. Sure you can look at a small sliver of the population that have a terrible commute and extrapolate that everybody in the burbs also have the same commute, which is often done on this board. People on this board could not believe people in Gaitherburg actually work at Shady Grove Hospital, or Medimmune or NCI.

Wow 3 people.

Its great that some people have short suburb to suburb commutes. Clearly based on yesterday many do not.

Many but not most.... not by a long shot.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You do realize the name of the website you're posting on? Commute length is one of the largest factors in life satisfaction so "terrible mental health" does not have any basis in reality.

We're on Capitol Hill and very close with our neighbors. DW and I garden with the woman next door and if I needed someone to check on the house I would have my choice between 3 people. We don't engage in the suburban BMW X1 vs X3 pissing contest so I guess in that sense we're not that close.

You do realize that people on this board don't always and actually rarely work in DC. They also don't have terrible commutes because they work within their own suburb. Sure you can look at a small sliver of the population that have a terrible commute and extrapolate that everybody in the burbs also have the same commute, which is often done on this board. People on this board could not believe people in Gaitherburg actually work at Shady Grove Hospital, or Medimmune or NCI.

Wow 3 people.

NP. Source for people "rarely" working in DC on this particular site?

PP is pulling stuff out of his nether region. From posts, it's evident that tons of people on this site work in DC, and only Jeff has data on the composition of posters. But why waste time on someone who traffics in idiotic stereotypes of city dwellers.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You do realize the name of the website you're posting on? Commute length is one of the largest factors in life satisfaction so "terrible mental health" does not have any basis in reality.

We're on Capitol Hill and very close with our neighbors. DW and I garden with the woman next door and if I needed someone to check on the house I would have my choice between 3 people. We don't engage in the suburban BMW X1 vs X3 pissing contest so I guess in that sense we're not that close.

You do realize that people on this board don't always and actually rarely work in DC. They also don't have terrible commutes because they work within their own suburb. Sure you can look at a small sliver of the population that have a terrible commute and extrapolate that everybody in the burbs also have the same commute, which is often done on this board. People on this board could not believe people in Gaitherburg actually work at Shady Grove Hospital, or Medimmune or NCI.

Wow 3 people.

NP. Source for people "rarely" working in DC on this particular site?

There has been a recent influx of suburban tumbleweeds like PP who visit this site because they live in "DC" (Rockville). Large overlap with the conservatives on here who moan being oppressed on a privately-run internet message board.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to refer to this thread on those endless threads in the real estate forum on why walkability and proximity to metro go for a premium. Traffic is the most unproductive time suck.

Or anytime someone posts a thread about how terrible metro is. I've been home for hours (and I live out near vienna)

Once every 10 years. Bfd

It is more than that and today's traffic is a similar anomaly.

People need to stop working in DC and push for more jobs in the burbs instead of living in shit shacks.

Aren’t al of these places people mentioning in the burbs?

Or, people need to live closer to their jobs in urban areas or walkable to metro and dump their cars all together. It's a healthier lifestyle than spending hours in traffic per day.

No thanks. Walkable might make me skinnier but people in the city have horrible attitudes, are rude, don't know their neighbors and have general terrible mental health.

You do realize the name of the website you're posting on? Commute length is one of the largest factors in life satisfaction so "terrible mental health" does not have any basis in reality.

We're on Capitol Hill and very close with our neighbors. DW and I garden with the woman next door and if I needed someone to check on the house I would have my choice between 3 people. We don't engage in the suburban BMW X1 vs X3 pissing contest so I guess in that sense we're not that close.

You do realize that people on this board don't always and actually rarely work in DC. They also don't have terrible commutes because they work within their own suburb. Sure you can look at a small sliver of the population that have a terrible commute and extrapolate that everybody in the burbs also have the same commute, which is often done on this board. People on this board could not believe people in Gaitherburg actually work at Shady Grove Hospital, or Medimmune or NCI.

Wow 3 people.

Again, keep in mind that you're posting on an urban parenting website so telling me to check myself because you live and work in the burbs and never come into the city unless it's for a Nats game is a little ironic.

I WFH full-time, others can take a chauffeured Suburban to their offices. From a numbers standpoint the vast majority of this region works in a job center and lives in a suburb.

I lived in DC for 25 years, I have family buried at Mt. Olivet, so I visit only to take my mom there now. But welcome to our city. No, the "vast" majority work in the in burbs. The large percentage... still not the majority of people that have little to no experience ... young people, will go to the city to get a job.. get experience then get the f out.