The question this raises for me is why you wasted so much time on insecure guys? I was always looking for someone who wasn't threatened by my big personality. I wanted to marry my biggest supporter (and I wanted to be his biggest supporter in return). I highly suspect I would have dumped those three losers long before I could fall in love with them. I was 100% unwilling, particularly at that point in my life, to be with someone who wasn't 110% on board with my ambition.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't believe this. I was the uber achiever in college. Student body president. Member of the board of trustees. Valedictorian. Rhodes scholar. After college I went on to impressive grad schools and now make great money. I also had my pick of guys in college. I ended up picking a great one, after dating many, and we have been married for 12 years, together for 19 years.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Women who are better looking, more confident/outgoing/secure in their attractiveness, around more eligible men, and more interested in dating will have an easier time. All things held equal, however, a lot is good fortune.
I think a lot also has to do with knowing the demographic you appeal to. I have had an easier time in love than my sister. I am taller, thinner, and more conventionally attractive. But she has a prettier face and is more outgoing and social. Crucially, however, we have similar tastes in men, but those men tend to go for women more like me. I think she adopted my tastes without considering if they would work for her. She would have done better, for instance, pursuing men who are more likely to value curves.
But a lot of it is still luck IMO.
There is a certain kind of girl/woman who has a lot of luck in terms of dating and marrying early.
From what I observe:
-conventionally attractive. Talk to medium height, thin, natural curves to be feminine but not too curvy
- styles like a “basic b*tch. Conservative and feminine clothing that accentuates body and conveys sexuality without being too in your face. Subtle makeup that highlights features,long straight hair, toned body
- conventional interests. Don’t be quirky. Goths, comic book nerds and geeky girls do not apply.
- be submissive and feminine, no loud mouth feminists or super smart nerdy girls who can out do the guys socially or professionally.
- know how to be subtly sexy, be coy and girly. Project the female energy so guys pick up on it.
Argh, your pieces of advice are so outdated.
I have to admit most of those are what guys like. The "submissive" part was pretty offensive though. I didn't agree with "geeky", many are cute and make good partners.
I didn't view that PP as giving advice on what was "right" traits for women. But more or less conveying their observations of the sample size of women who got married early to their college sweetheart. I'd agree with most of what that PP stated. Women who marry young and marry well tend to not have "big" personalities, IMHO.
The pp is spot on.Not to say that other types of women don’t find their men but it takes them longer as they are special flavors only enjoyed by certain kinds of men. Look at Amal Clooney for example. She is beautiful, sophisticated and intelligent with a killer career and social status. The only man who would not be threatened by her would be George freaking Clooney. I bet she had a hard time dating when she was younger.
Average Betty who is pretty and preppy would have all the guys crushing on her. The geeks the nerds the jocks the class presidents. The normal conventionally pretty girls who are inoffensive and blend in so really well because any man can paint a story in his head with her as his wife. Men especially do not want to be outleaged and outclassed.All three girls I know who married rich successful guys are the same: conventionally pretty although not model good looks, modest but feminine in classic preppy clothes, quiet and happy to pass the spotlight to their much more successful and charming husband.
That may have been your experience, but, in my experience, PP is spot on. I was beautiful, successful, cool, funny, warm, kind and intelligent (and I had an amazing body too!). I fell in love with 3 guys and they all dumped me and married the same type of mousy average Bettys.
Anonymous wrote:My single friends who are finding it extremely hard are either a) incredibly selective (he has to be a certain height and income), or b) not really doing anything to meet someone (work long hours, don't do the bar scene or any other singles-friendly activities, don't want to date online).
Anonymous wrote:Some women literally marry their first BF and others are looking well into their thirties.
Is it about how good looking you are? Being smarter? Luck? What?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Women who are better looking, more confident/outgoing/secure in their attractiveness, around more eligible men, and more interested in dating will have an easier time. All things held equal, however, a lot is good fortune.
I think a lot also has to do with knowing the demographic you appeal to. I have had an easier time in love than my sister. I am taller, thinner, and more conventionally attractive. But she has a prettier face and is more outgoing and social. Crucially, however, we have similar tastes in men, but those men tend to go for women more like me. I think she adopted my tastes without considering if they would work for her. She would have done better, for instance, pursuing men who are more likely to value curves.
But a lot of it is still luck IMO.
There is a certain kind of girl/woman who has a lot of luck in terms of dating and marrying early.
From what I observe:
-conventionally attractive. Talk to medium height, thin, natural curves to be feminine but not too curvy
- styles like a “basic b*tch. Conservative and feminine clothing that accentuates body and conveys sexuality without being too in your face. Subtle makeup that highlights features,long straight hair, toned body
- conventional interests. Don’t be quirky. Goths, comic book nerds and geeky girls do not apply.
- be submissive and feminine, no loud mouth feminists or super smart nerdy girls who can out do the guys socially or professionally.
- know how to be subtly sexy, be coy and girly. Project the female energy so guys pick up on it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Women who are better looking, more confident/outgoing/secure in their attractiveness, around more eligible men, and more interested in dating will have an easier time. All things held equal, however, a lot is good fortune.
I think a lot also has to do with knowing the demographic you appeal to. I have had an easier time in love than my sister. I am taller, thinner, and more conventionally attractive. But she has a prettier face and is more outgoing and social. Crucially, however, we have similar tastes in men, but those men tend to go for women more like me. I think she adopted my tastes without considering if they would work for her. She would have done better, for instance, pursuing men who are more likely to value curves.
But a lot of it is still luck IMO.
There is a certain kind of girl/woman who has a lot of luck in terms of dating and marrying early.
From what I observe:
-conventionally attractive. Talk to medium height, thin, natural curves to be feminine but not too curvy
- styles like a “basic b*tch. Conservative and feminine clothing that accentuates body and conveys sexuality without being too in your face. Subtle makeup that highlights features,long straight hair, toned body
- conventional interests. Don’t be quirky. Goths, comic book nerds and geeky girls do not apply.
- be submissive and feminine, no loud mouth feminists or super smart nerdy girls who can out do the guys socially or professionally.
- know how to be subtly sexy, be coy and girly. Project the female energy so guys pick up on it.
All men love attractive mousy women who are happy to take a backseat.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I got married at 22. Still married at 41. Based on the experiences of several friends who married in their 30's, I don't feel like I missed much. We traveled, waited several years to have kids, and are happy.
Us too.
Married right out of college.
Waited to have kids until mid 30s.
We travelled, partied, moved around the country, pursued careers and grew up together.
We did all the things single people do, but with a loving companion.
Do not feel like we missed a thing, except then loneliness many of our unmarried or later married peers express, and the drama that comes from the dating scene.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't believe this. I was the uber achiever in college. Student body president. Member of the board of trustees. Valedictorian. Rhodes scholar. After college I went on to impressive grad schools and now make great money. I also had my pick of guys in college. I ended up picking a great one, after dating many, and we have been married for 12 years, together for 19 years.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Women who are better looking, more confident/outgoing/secure in their attractiveness, around more eligible men, and more interested in dating will have an easier time. All things held equal, however, a lot is good fortune.
I think a lot also has to do with knowing the demographic you appeal to. I have had an easier time in love than my sister. I am taller, thinner, and more conventionally attractive. But she has a prettier face and is more outgoing and social. Crucially, however, we have similar tastes in men, but those men tend to go for women more like me. I think she adopted my tastes without considering if they would work for her. She would have done better, for instance, pursuing men who are more likely to value curves.
But a lot of it is still luck IMO.
There is a certain kind of girl/woman who has a lot of luck in terms of dating and marrying early.
From what I observe:
-conventionally attractive. Talk to medium height, thin, natural curves to be feminine but not too curvy
- styles like a “basic b*tch. Conservative and feminine clothing that accentuates body and conveys sexuality without being too in your face. Subtle makeup that highlights features,long straight hair, toned body
- conventional interests. Don’t be quirky. Goths, comic book nerds and geeky girls do not apply.
- be submissive and feminine, no loud mouth feminists or super smart nerdy girls who can out do the guys socially or professionally.
- know how to be subtly sexy, be coy and girly. Project the female energy so guys pick up on it.
Argh, your pieces of advice are so outdated.
I have to admit most of those are what guys like. The "submissive" part was pretty offensive though. I didn't agree with "geeky", many are cute and make good partners.
I didn't view that PP as giving advice on what was "right" traits for women. But more or less conveying their observations of the sample size of women who got married early to their college sweetheart. I'd agree with most of what that PP stated. Women who marry young and marry well tend to not have "big" personalities, IMHO.
The pp is spot on.Not to say that other types of women don’t find their men but it takes them longer as they are special flavors only enjoyed by certain kinds of men. Look at Amal Clooney for example. She is beautiful, sophisticated and intelligent with a killer career and social status. The only man who would not be threatened by her would be George freaking Clooney. I bet she had a hard time dating when she was younger.
Average Betty who is pretty and preppy would have all the guys crushing on her. The geeks the nerds the jocks the class presidents. The normal conventionally pretty girls who are inoffensive and blend in so really well because any man can paint a story in his head with her as his wife. Men especially do not want to be outleaged and outclassed.All three girls I know who married rich successful guys are the same: conventionally pretty although not model good looks, modest but feminine in classic preppy clothes, quiet and happy to pass the spotlight to their much more successful and charming husband.
That may have been your experience, but, in my experience, PP is spot on. I was beautiful, successful, cool, funny, warm, kind and intelligent (and I had an amazing body too!). I fell in love with 3 guys and they all dumped me and married the same type of mousy average Bettys.