Anonymous wrote:FYI, PP, College Board’s stats come from repeat test takers, not from those who are studying before taking the test. There are PLENTY of students who improve their scores by hundreds of points over their pre-study baseline by studying. I would know. I’ve coached many over the years.

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Anonymous wrote:The Office of Testing Integrity is part of College Board. ETS has not written the SAT since the new format came out in 2016. I doubt ETS has anything to do with this.

Does that have some relevance to the issues this student’s case or are you just being tedious?

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT doesn't have that kind of content. It's a skills test more than a memorization test. If she brushes up on her skills a little bit, she should have no problem repeating the test with a similar score.

She cheated, though. Her missed answers matched against another student's missed answers.

Assuming this evidence is presented and convincing, and backed statistical analysis and seating charts, isn't it possible the other student cheated from her?

Her score is the one that improved.

How do you know that the other test takers scores didn't also improve.

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Anonymous wrote:People act like once you study for a test, the information is in in your brain forever, so it should be no problem to retake the test. You know that's not the way it works for ANYONE. Asking her to retake it is asking her to redo all the hard work of studying again. She did that already. I'd be pissed if I had to deal that again.

lol ok sure, so as soon as you leave college you forget everything you learned.... no it doesnt work that way, you either know it or you dont

Meh, that's kind of how it works for me. I am excellent at retaining info for about 3 days, then it's gone after the test.

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT doesn't have that kind of content. It's a skills test more than a memorization test. If she brushes up on her skills a little bit, she should have no problem repeating the test with a similar score.

She cheated, though. Her missed answers matched against another student's missed answers.

Assuming this evidence is presented and convincing, and backed statistical analysis and seating charts, isn't it possible the other student cheated from her?

Her score is the one that improved.

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Anonymous wrote:People act like once you study for a test, the information is in in your brain forever, so it should be no problem to retake the test. You know that's not the way it works for ANYONE. Asking her to retake it is asking her to redo all the hard work of studying again. She did that already. I'd be pissed if I had to deal that again.

lol ok sure, so as soon as you leave college you forget everything you learned.... no it doesnt work that way, you either know it or you dont

Meh, that's kind of how it works for me. I am excellent at retaining info for about 3 days, then it's gone after the test.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how this has become a racial issue. Do the students have to fill out what their race is when they take the SAT? Is her theory that the College Board flagged her because of her race?

You can’t be this daft. You really are going to pretend ETS could not figure out the race of “Kamilah Campbell” of Florida at the very first try?

You people really bend over backwards to deny race, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT doesn't have that kind of content. It's a skills test more than a memorization test. If she brushes up on her skills a little bit, she should have no problem repeating the test with a similar score.

She cheated, though. Her missed answers matched against another student's missed answers.

Assuming this evidence is presented and convincing, and backed statistical analysis and seating charts, isn't it possible the other student cheated from her?

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Anonymous wrote:People act like once you study for a test, the information is in in your brain forever, so it should be no problem to retake the test. You know that's not the way it works for ANYONE. Asking her to retake it is asking her to redo all the hard work of studying again. She did that already. I'd be pissed if I had to deal that again.

lol ok sure, so as soon as you leave college you forget everything you learned.... no it doesnt work that way, you either know it or you dont

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Anonymous wrote:And one more thing, none of you have seen ETS’s evidence of her alleged cheating. But you credit their claim immediately, right? Typical. The letter they sent her is a stock letter that most students of her background do not wherewithal to challenge.

This is true. Big jumps in scores get the letter. It has nothing to do with race.

PP here. No, that’s not what I said. I think race absolutely has to do with who gets the stock letter trying to intimidate them into abandoning “too high” test scores. And I suspect that if ETS does not back down (which I am 100% sure it will in order to avoid being exposed during discovery), we will find out that black people are more likely to be flagged on little to no evidence beyond mere increases in scores that can be explained by hard work. Your race neutral Utopia does not exist.

Why do you think that race has something to do with who gets the letter?

There have been lots of posts on college confidential over the years about being flagged for score jumps and I never got the impression from those posts that there was a racial connection with getting the stock letter.

You are really arguing that there is not a racial connection because no one on College Confidential posts you claim to have read said there is a racial connection?

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Anonymous wrote:Was her test score flagged because she had raised her score by 300 points or was it flagged because her answers matched the answers of other test takers in the room? Or was it a combination of both?

All big raises get flagged for review

The matching was why they concluded she cheated

Yes - but she was starting in the 900s. A 300 score increase is totally normal with prep.

normal??? no it’s not. not on the 1600 version.

Do you have a kid who has studied for the SAT before? When you're starting that low, its not hard to score much higher after prep.