Anonymous
11/05/2018 10:53
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.
Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153
These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.
You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.
Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?
WTH are you talking about? Do you actually know anything about Blair? Blair is 22% white. It is only 36% FARMS. What is up with posters acting like Blair only has two white students , and everyone else is desperately poor?
I know Blair has around 600 whereas Poolesville is 850. Sure, percentages are different that was the OP's point, but the numers are sufficiently large to make a fair comparison.
Anonymous
11/05/2018 10:39
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.
Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153
These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.
You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.
Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?
WTH are you talking about? Do you actually know anything about Blair? Blair is 22% white. It is only 36% FARMS. What is up with posters acting like Blair only has two white students , and everyone else is desperately poor?
Anonymous
11/05/2018 10:28
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
Agree - it's more honest to perform an apple to apple comparison and look at how the largest common demographic compares as opposed to naively looking at a bulk average which reflects the school's demographics given the correlation SES and its impact on test scores.
+10 Makes sense!
Anonymous
11/05/2018 10:25
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.
Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153
These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.
You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.
Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?
The OP was attempting to compare the largest cohort common to a range of schools not simply Blair and Poolesville. However, according to Great Schools, Poolesville has over 800 students in this cohort whereas Blair is just shy of 600. The demographics of the schools are very different but the differences in size makes up for it.
Anonymous
11/05/2018 10:17
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
This goes exactly to the original SAT poster's point that simple averages are misleading and by performing a more granular analysis of a single common cohort we can see how the schools stack up.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088
How is it determined that Blair is the "most diverse" school in Maryland?
Thanks for remembering to include Poolesville. Although it's less than third Blair's size, it houses the other STEM magnet. Your approach is helpful because the schools are demographically very different. Poolesville is very homogenous whereas Blair is the most diverse school in Maryland. This is the best way to get a meaningful comparison between these schools with the data that is available.
Niche ranks Blair as most diverse high-school in the state for one, and imagine their rank is based on public data.
https://www.niche.com/k12/search/most-diverse-high-schools/s/maryland/
According to Great School's Poolesville has few Black or Hispanic students and is over 80% white and Asian.
https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/poolesville/940-Poolesville-High-School?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=Permalink#Students
Poolesville is smaller high-school that is around a third of Blair's size and has few Black or Hispanic students. The OP's belief that Poolesville is demographically very different than Blair is accurate and on point. The idea that a more nuanced comparison of these schools involves looking at how the larger common cohorts perform seems perfectly reasonable. Otherwise, you're simply measuring the demographic differences which doesn't tell us anything.
Anonymous
11/05/2018 10:15
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:
But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?
Bright kids at Blair are unicorns? Maybe MCPS should add another demographic category, for unicorns? I guess it really is the most diverse school in the state!
Anonymous
11/05/2018 10:13
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.
Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153
These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.
You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.
Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?
Anonymous
11/05/2018 10:09
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.
Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153
These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.
You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.
Enlightening
Anonymous
11/05/2018 10:00
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:
Niche ranks Blair as most diverse high-school in the state for one, and imagine their rank is based on public data.
https://www.niche.com/k12/search/most-diverse-high-schools/s/maryland/
According to Great School's Poolesville has few Black or Hispanic students and is over 80% white and Asian.
https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/poolesville/940-Poolesville-High-School?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=Permalink#Students
Sure, but it's a pretty silly measure.
Factors Considered
Factor Description Source Weight
Student Racial Diversity Index A high value indicates a very racially diverse student body. U.S. Department of Education 60.0%
Parent/Student Surveys on Culture & Diversity Niche survey responses scored on a 1-5 scale regarding student culture and diversity at the school. Self-reported by Niche users 25.0%
Economically Disadvantaged Percent Percent of students classified as economically disadvantaged. U.S. Department of Education 10.0%
Gender Diversity Percentage of students belonging to the most represented gender (closer to 50% is better). U.S. Department of Education 5.0%
Also, I'm always amazed at how DCUM both lumps Asian-Americans in with whites and splits Asian-Americans off from whites, depending on which approach better supports the specific argument. Last year's Poolesville HS data are: 30% Asian-American, 6% black/African-American, 8% Hispanic/Latino, 51% white, 6% two or more, 6% FARMs, 14% ever FARMs. Yes, Poolesville HS is whiter and much less poor than the MCPS high school population overall (not surprising in a high school where a test-in magnet program accounts for over half of the student population and the home-school area is rural and disproportionately white). But to say that Poolesville HS lacks diversity is just as absurd as to say that without the downcounty SMACS magnet program, Blair HS would be South Central LA c. 1995.
Anonymous
11/05/2018 09:52
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
This goes exactly to the original SAT poster's point that simple averages are misleading and by performing a more granular analysis of a single common cohort we can see how the schools stack up.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088
How is it determined that Blair is the "most diverse" school in Maryland?
Thanks for remembering to include Poolesville. Although it's less than third Blair's size, it houses the other STEM magnet. Your approach is helpful because the schools are demographically very different. Poolesville is very homogenous whereas Blair is the most diverse school in Maryland. This is the best way to get a meaningful comparison between these schools with the data that is available.
Niche ranks Blair as most diverse high-school in the state for one, and imagine their rank is based on public data.
https://www.niche.com/k12/search/most-diverse-high-schools/s/maryland/
According to Great School's Poolesville has few Black or Hispanic students and is over 80% white and Asian.
https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/poolesville/940-Poolesville-High-School?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=Permalink#Students
Anonymous
11/05/2018 08:32
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
This goes exactly to the original SAT poster's point that simple averages are misleading and by performing a more granular analysis of a single common cohort we can see how the schools stack up.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088
How is it determined that Blair is the "most diverse" school in Maryland?
Thanks for remembering to include Poolesville. Although it's less than third Blair's size, it houses the other STEM magnet. Your approach is helpful because the schools are demographically very different. Poolesville is very homogenous whereas Blair is the most diverse school in Maryland. This is the best way to get a meaningful comparison between these schools with the data that is available.
Anonymous
11/05/2018 07:11
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for remembering to include Poolesville. Although it's less than third Blair's size, it houses the other STEM magnet. Your approach is helpful because the schools are demographically very different. Poolesville is very homogenous whereas Blair is the most diverse school in Maryland. This is the best way to get a meaningful comparison between these schools with the data that is available.
Poolesville HS is not very homogeneous. Or even homogeneous at all. It's much smaller than Blair, and it's less diverse than Blair (also less diverse than my kid's upcounty high school), but it's not homogeneous.
Anonymous
11/03/2018 15:56
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
This goes exactly to the original SAT poster's point that simple averages are misleading and by performing a more granular analysis of a single common cohort we can see how the schools stack up.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088
Thanks for remembering to include Poolesville. Although it's less than third Blair's size, it houses the other STEM magnet. Your approach is helpful because the schools are demographically very different. Poolesville is very homogenous whereas Blair is the most diverse school in Maryland. This is the best way to get a meaningful comparison between these schools with the data that is available.
Anonymous
11/03/2018 13:55
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.
Agree - it's more honest to perform an apple to apple comparison and look at how the largest common demographic compares as opposed to naively looking at a bulk average which reflects the school's demographics given the correlation SES and its impact on test scores.
so true
Anonymous
11/03/2018 10:11
Subject: Re:Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Since when does somebody get to pick a handful of smart kids out of a lower tier school and say “see look at how high their averages are and how good the school is”. You don’t get to pretend that Blair’s SAT and graduation averages aren’t amount the lowest in MoCo. Cherry pick the middle class white kids all you want. It is especially funny when you brag about the diversity next even when you only pull data that excludes them. Show us some diverse data that impresses us.
Bottom line it is a mostly poor and minority school with average to poor data and you can find some small sample group that looks similar to the better schools but that isn’t Blair. You are rationalizing but without the magnet and those few kids (one would hope you could find a couple out of 3,000) Blair is Kennedy. Enjoy since you are so proud
NP: what is your definition of mostly poor? Is 36% a majority? Please answer the question. You weaken the credibility of your argument-- not sure how your are employed if you make "bottom line" assertions not based on facts. Are you assuming all of the minority kids are poor? Please clarify.