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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

This thread is about optimal temperatures for babies, not about formula vs breastfeeding.

Please see above. -OP

It's about warming formula vs not warming it, as you clearly state in the bolded part. Try to keep up with your own posts.

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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

This thread is about optimal temperatures for babies, not about formula vs breastfeeding.

Please see above. -OP

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Anonymous wrote:
"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

This thread is about optimal temperatures for babies, not about formula vs breastfeeding.

Please see above. -OP

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

Because she is not saying that's what she prefers, she is strongly inferring that moms who don't heat bottles are negligent. Look at her language. "If you insist cold bottles are good for your baby". "If you don't want to shock their digestion with cold formula" "If they aren't sleeping well at night, try warming it up". "It makes sense to give it to them at their body temperature to make it easier for them". This language is harmful to new moms who are already struggling enough, and to top it off, her agenda isn't based in any kind of science or fact. It's like an anti-vaxxer saying she doesn't want to stab her baby with needles full of animal byproduct but if you want to do it, then go for it. The language is just mean, and medically incorrect.

I'm sorry, but even as a new mom, other people's opinions just didn't mean that much to me. She's not claiming to be a doctor or a nurse, she's just some rando on DCUM being a rando on DCUM. If you take every comment on DCUM to heart, and have no critical thinking skills, then you are more dangerous to yourself than any "formula pusher" could possibly be.

That's great that other people telling you that you were neglecting to to the best thing for your baby didn't upset you as a brand new mother, even when that person was telling you that pediatricians agreed with what she was saying (which is incorrect). Many, many new women would be upset at someone telling them they were "shocking their baby's digestive system" by not giving them heated bottles, when they might already be feeling guilt for not BFing. The bottom line is, why is this poster pushing this strange agenda? All she is accomplishing is maybe upsetting some new moms, and definitely not spreading important information since what she's saying isn't factual. The real question is, why does she keep saying things like "well why warm up any food that we eat, since it isn't worth the time"? Why say something so snarky to a new mom who is trying to feed her baby?

Oh, PLEASE. The people I listened to as a new mom were the *people actually in my life,* like doctors/nurses, trusted family and friends, and well-respected baby book authors. Not internet randos, sorry.

Taking DCUM so seriously is like walking by the National Enquirer at the checkout line and bemoaning how harmful it is that new moms will surely start believing that Princess Di was an alien who was killed in a conspiracy by Captain Picard.

But if you don't want people to take your pedantic comments seriously, why post them and spend multiple days defending them? Are you admitting to just being a troll?

***I am not the OP of this thread. I am not the OP or the Anonymous poster who pushed breastfeeding in the other thread.***

I am just a poster who doesn't get why so many of you are leaping to BF Pushing Agenda here, when not one person in this thread has said anything of the kind.

Okay. So answer the question, if you don't want people to take your comments seriously, why are you posting them?

Please try to keep up--I am not the OP. I get that you think that I am, but I'm not.

Anyway, posting on DCUM is fun, and intriguing, and very occasionally helpful. But I sure am not going to take DCUM advice more seriously than parenting guidance readily available to me from my pediatrician, trusted guide books, trusted people in my life, etc. It's very, very odd to me that you take DCUM so seriously.

You're totally one of the people who posts about "My baby has a fever and the following symptoms; help me DCUM!" instead of *picking up the phone and calling the ped.* Good gravy.

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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

Because she is not saying that's what she prefers, she is strongly inferring that moms who don't heat bottles are negligent. Look at her language. "If you insist cold bottles are good for your baby". "If you don't want to shock their digestion with cold formula" "If they aren't sleeping well at night, try warming it up". "It makes sense to give it to them at their body temperature to make it easier for them". This language is harmful to new moms who are already struggling enough, and to top it off, her agenda isn't based in any kind of science or fact. It's like an anti-vaxxer saying she doesn't want to stab her baby with needles full of animal byproduct but if you want to do it, then go for it. The language is just mean, and medically incorrect.

I'm sorry, but even as a new mom, other people's opinions just didn't mean that much to me. She's not claiming to be a doctor or a nurse, she's just some rando on DCUM being a rando on DCUM. If you take every comment on DCUM to heart, and have no critical thinking skills, then you are more dangerous to yourself than any "formula pusher" could possibly be.

That's great that other people telling you that you were neglecting to to the best thing for your baby didn't upset you as a brand new mother, even when that person was telling you that pediatricians agreed with what she was saying (which is incorrect). Many, many new women would be upset at someone telling them they were "shocking their baby's digestive system" by not giving them heated bottles, when they might already be feeling guilt for not BFing. The bottom line is, why is this poster pushing this strange agenda? All she is accomplishing is maybe upsetting some new moms, and definitely not spreading important information since what she's saying isn't factual. The real question is, why does she keep saying things like "well why warm up any food that we eat, since it isn't worth the time"? Why say something so snarky to a new mom who is trying to feed her baby?

Oh, PLEASE. The people I listened to as a new mom were the *people actually in my life,* like doctors/nurses, trusted family and friends, and well-respected baby book authors. Not internet randos, sorry.

Taking DCUM so seriously is like walking by the National Enquirer at the checkout line and bemoaning how harmful it is that new moms will surely start believing that Princess Di was an alien who was killed in a conspiracy by Captain Picard.

But if you don't want people to take your pedantic comments seriously, why post them and spend multiple days defending them? Are you admitting to just being a troll?

***I am not the OP of this thread. I am not the OP or the Anonymous poster who pushed breastfeeding in the other thread.***

I am just a poster who doesn't get why so many of you are leaping to BF Pushing Agenda here, when not one person in this thread has said anything of the kind.

Okay. So answer the question, if you don't want people to take your comments seriously, why are you posting them?

Anonymous wrote:The hostility is not welcomed here, 11:06. Calm down.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

Because she is not saying that's what she prefers, she is strongly inferring that moms who don't heat bottles are negligent. Look at her language. "If you insist cold bottles are good for your baby". "If you don't want to shock their digestion with cold formula" "If they aren't sleeping well at night, try warming it up". "It makes sense to give it to them at their body temperature to make it easier for them". This language is harmful to new moms who are already struggling enough, and to top it off, her agenda isn't based in any kind of science or fact. It's like an anti-vaxxer saying she doesn't want to stab her baby with needles full of animal byproduct but if you want to do it, then go for it. The language is just mean, and medically incorrect.

I'm sorry, but even as a new mom, other people's opinions just didn't mean that much to me. She's not claiming to be a doctor or a nurse, she's just some rando on DCUM being a rando on DCUM. If you take every comment on DCUM to heart, and have no critical thinking skills, then you are more dangerous to yourself than any "formula pusher" could possibly be.

That's great that other people telling you that you were neglecting to to the best thing for your baby didn't upset you as a brand new mother, even when that person was telling you that pediatricians agreed with what she was saying (which is incorrect). Many, many new women would be upset at someone telling them they were "shocking their baby's digestive system" by not giving them heated bottles, when they might already be feeling guilt for not BFing. The bottom line is, why is this poster pushing this strange agenda? All she is accomplishing is maybe upsetting some new moms, and definitely not spreading important information since what she's saying isn't factual. The real question is, why does she keep saying things like "well why warm up any food that we eat, since it isn't worth the time"? Why say something so snarky to a new mom who is trying to feed her baby?

Oh, PLEASE. The people I listened to as a new mom were the *people actually in my life,* like doctors/nurses, trusted family and friends, and well-respected baby book authors. Not internet randos, sorry.

Taking DCUM so seriously is like walking by the National Enquirer at the checkout line and bemoaning how harmful it is that new moms will surely start believing that Princess Di was an alien who was killed in a conspiracy by Captain Picard.

But if you don't want people to take your pedantic comments seriously, why post them and spend multiple days defending them? Are you admitting to just being a troll?

***I am not the OP of this thread. I am not the OP or the Anonymous poster who pushed breastfeeding in the other thread.***

I am just a poster who doesn't get why so many of you are leaping to BF Pushing Agenda here, when not one person in this thread has said anything of the kind.

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AGAIN, each parent has COMPLETE authority to feed her baby however she wants.

Considering the fact that this is a DISCUSSION board, please stop trying to silence any discussion.

Each opinion may be expressed. And again, each parent may choose what is best for her newborn baby. -OP

Then why even start this thread, and use language like "shocking the digestive system" and "why bother warming up any food we eat" and other asinine comments?

No one appointed you the forum nazi to decide what topics may be discussed. Go get some fresh air. It's a beautiful day!

But truly, why say those snarky things to new moms? What's your agenda? Because you're right, it is a beautiful day, life is good for most of us, so why make underhanded comments to new moms who are formula feeding?

You're too unhinged to see that this thread is about temperature, NOT formula! Seriously, please step away for even a few minutes and count to ten.

And now backwards. Feel better?

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

Because she is not saying that's what she prefers, she is strongly inferring that moms who don't heat bottles are negligent. Look at her language. "If you insist cold bottles are good for your baby". "If you don't want to shock their digestion with cold formula" "If they aren't sleeping well at night, try warming it up". "It makes sense to give it to them at their body temperature to make it easier for them". This language is harmful to new moms who are already struggling enough, and to top it off, her agenda isn't based in any kind of science or fact. It's like an anti-vaxxer saying she doesn't want to stab her baby with needles full of animal byproduct but if you want to do it, then go for it. The language is just mean, and medically incorrect.

I'm sorry, but even as a new mom, other people's opinions just didn't mean that much to me. She's not claiming to be a doctor or a nurse, she's just some rando on DCUM being a rando on DCUM. If you take every comment on DCUM to heart, and have no critical thinking skills, then you are more dangerous to yourself than any "formula pusher" could possibly be.

That's great that other people telling you that you were neglecting to to the best thing for your baby didn't upset you as a brand new mother, even when that person was telling you that pediatricians agreed with what she was saying (which is incorrect). Many, many new women would be upset at someone telling them they were "shocking their baby's digestive system" by not giving them heated bottles, when they might already be feeling guilt for not BFing. The bottom line is, why is this poster pushing this strange agenda? All she is accomplishing is maybe upsetting some new moms, and definitely not spreading important information since what she's saying isn't factual. The real question is, why does she keep saying things like "well why warm up any food that we eat, since it isn't worth the time"? Why say something so snarky to a new mom who is trying to feed her baby?

Oh, PLEASE. The people I listened to as a new mom were the *people actually in my life,* like doctors/nurses, trusted family and friends, and well-respected baby book authors. Not internet randos, sorry.

Taking DCUM so seriously is like walking by the National Enquirer at the checkout line and bemoaning how harmful it is that new moms will surely start believing that Princess Di was an alien who was killed in a conspiracy by Captain Picard.

But if you don't want people to take your pedantic comments seriously, why post them and spend multiple days defending them? Are you admitting to just being a troll?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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AGAIN, each parent has COMPLETE authority to feed her baby however she wants.

Considering the fact that this is a DISCUSSION board, please stop trying to silence any discussion.

Each opinion may be expressed. And again, each parent may choose what is best for her newborn baby. -OP

Then why even start this thread, and use language like "shocking the digestive system" and "why bother warming up any food we eat" and other asinine comments?

No one appointed you the forum nazi to decide what topics may be discussed. Go get some fresh air. It's a beautiful day!

But truly, why say those snarky things to new moms? What's your agenda? Because you're right, it is a beautiful day, life is good for most of us, so why make underhanded comments to new moms who are formula feeding?

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

*We must warm the formula to 98.6 degrees F, because that is best, because that's how it comes out of the breast, which is best.*

Does that help explain it to you, PP?

...said who, where?

np- this was a quote from the original thread that started this spinoff thread (all signs point to it being the same poster obviously)

Let me know when Jeff confirms this. I'm just not interested in your speculation about 58 Anonymous posters.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

Because she is not saying that's what she prefers, she is strongly inferring that moms who don't heat bottles are negligent. Look at her language. "If you insist cold bottles are good for your baby". "If you don't want to shock their digestion with cold formula" "If they aren't sleeping well at night, try warming it up". "It makes sense to give it to them at their body temperature to make it easier for them". This language is harmful to new moms who are already struggling enough, and to top it off, her agenda isn't based in any kind of science or fact. It's like an anti-vaxxer saying she doesn't want to stab her baby with needles full of animal byproduct but if you want to do it, then go for it. The language is just mean, and medically incorrect.

I'm sorry, but even as a new mom, other people's opinions just didn't mean that much to me. She's not claiming to be a doctor or a nurse, she's just some rando on DCUM being a rando on DCUM. If you take every comment on DCUM to heart, and have no critical thinking skills, then you are more dangerous to yourself than any "formula pusher" could possibly be.

That's great that other people telling you that you were neglecting to to the best thing for your baby didn't upset you as a brand new mother, even when that person was telling you that pediatricians agreed with what she was saying (which is incorrect). Many, many new women would be upset at someone telling them they were "shocking their baby's digestive system" by not giving them heated bottles, when they might already be feeling guilt for not BFing. The bottom line is, why is this poster pushing this strange agenda? All she is accomplishing is maybe upsetting some new moms, and definitely not spreading important information since what she's saying isn't factual. The real question is, why does she keep saying things like "well why warm up any food that we eat, since it isn't worth the time"? Why say something so snarky to a new mom who is trying to feed her baby?

Oh, PLEASE. The people I listened to as a new mom were the *people actually in my life,* like doctors/nurses, trusted family and friends, and well-respected baby book authors. Not internet randos, sorry.

Taking DCUM so seriously is like walking by the National Enquirer at the checkout line and bemoaning how harmful it is that new moms will surely start believing that Princess Di was an alien who was killed in a conspiracy by Captain Picard.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

*We must warm the formula to 98.6 degrees F, because that is best, because that's how it comes out of the breast, which is best.*

Does that help explain it to you, PP?

...said who, where?

np- this was a quote from the original thread that started this spinoff thread (all signs point to it being the same poster obviously)