Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 20:44     Subject: 20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Reports say that the owner of the limo company has been located in Pakistan. Was he already there or did he abscond, I wonder.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 20:43     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.


It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.


You are contradicting all the news articles and the locals who are all saying it was a notorious intersection and that the state had tried to make it safer a few years ago but hadn't succeeded. Apparently it is all a steep downhill and there is no warning that there is a T-junction with a stop sign coming, so people who are not intimately familiar with the area are not expecting it. Because nobody anticipates there being a stop sign at the bottom of a steep hill with nowhere to go but a ditch, since that isn't a well-considered road design. Trucks were banned from that section of the road because too many were losing control. And there are some suggestions that the limo's brakes failed.


The “locals” refers to the manager of the restaurant being quoted in multiple articles. It’s not a dangerous intersection.


The manager also mentioned that the previous accidents were tractor trailers which probably had problems navigating the turn.

The driver was going way too fast and probably wasn’t paying attention. I wouldn’t be surprised if drugs or alcohol played a role.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 20:41     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.


It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.


You are contradicting all the news articles and the locals who are all saying it was a notorious intersection and that the state had tried to make it safer a few years ago but hadn't succeeded. Apparently it is all a steep downhill and there is no warning that there is a T-junction with a stop sign coming, so people who are not intimately familiar with the area are not expecting it. Because nobody anticipates there being a stop sign at the bottom of a steep hill with nowhere to go but a ditch, since that isn't a well-considered road design. Trucks were banned from that section of the road because too many were losing control. And there are some suggestions that the limo's brakes failed.


The “locals” refers to the manager of the restaurant being quoted in multiple articles. It’s not a dangerous intersection.


“Kirby says the local town supervisor worked with New York's Department of Transportation to bar heavy trucks from using the road.”
And more here: https://wnyt.com/news/schoharie-crash-intersection-concerned-residents/5100421/
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 20:36     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.


It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.


You are contradicting all the news articles and the locals who are all saying it was a notorious intersection and that the state had tried to make it safer a few years ago but hadn't succeeded. Apparently it is all a steep downhill and there is no warning that there is a T-junction with a stop sign coming, so people who are not intimately familiar with the area are not expecting it. Because nobody anticipates there being a stop sign at the bottom of a steep hill with nowhere to go but a ditch, since that isn't a well-considered road design. Trucks were banned from that section of the road because too many were losing control. And there are some suggestions that the limo's brakes failed.


The “locals” refers to the manager of the restaurant being quoted in multiple articles. It’s not a dangerous intersection.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 20:35     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.


It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.


The road was flat. If the driver had been going close to the speed limit, the accident probably wouldn’t have happened.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 20:17     Subject: 20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:Not too many physics majors on DCUM today.



Yeah... all these responses expressing disbelief really explain the terrible driving on the beltway. I sometimes wonder how people are so careless with their lives to get one car ahead or shave a minute off a trip to the grocery store. I guess I have my answer.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 19:42     Subject: 20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
As a nurse, I always think of the first responders. What a terrible scene that must have been to witness.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 19:40     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am with with the PPs who are surprised all 18 passengers died. It would be a wild coincidence for all 18 to have bummed heads with each other...not very likely, really. If nothing else, I’d think some of them would be cushioned by the bodies of others.

I guess I can imagine that there was some sort of severe bump/jump off the ground that caused everyone to hit the roof—resulting in head injuries and broken necks. Beyond that, it doesn’t make much sense, especially seeing the intact vehicle.

I’m very sorry for their families.

They were traveling 60 mph! You don't have to be a math prodigy to know they were all toast.

Sadly, yes and likely not wearing seat belts.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 19:39     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am with with the PPs who are surprised all 18 passengers died. It would be a wild coincidence for all 18 to have bummed heads with each other...not very likely, really. If nothing else, I’d think some of them would be cushioned by the bodies of others.

I guess I can imagine that there was some sort of severe bump/jump off the ground that caused everyone to hit the roof—resulting in head injuries and broken necks. Beyond that, it doesn’t make much sense, especially seeing the intact vehicle.

I’m very sorry for their families.

They were traveling 60 mph! You don't have to be a math prodigy to know they were all toast.


Yeah, at 60mph, almost certainly not wearing seat belts, no airbags, etc., while it's shocking to hear, it's not surprising they all died. Have you ever ridden in one of those things? Major head and/or spinal injuries would be so easy to sustain under those conditions.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 19:36     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:I am with with the PPs who are surprised all 18 passengers died. It would be a wild coincidence for all 18 to have bummed heads with each other...not very likely, really. If nothing else, I’d think some of them would be cushioned by the bodies of others.

I guess I can imagine that there was some sort of severe bump/jump off the ground that caused everyone to hit the roof—resulting in head injuries and broken necks. Beyond that, it doesn’t make much sense, especially seeing the intact vehicle.

I’m very sorry for their families.

They were traveling 60 mph! You don't have to be a math prodigy to know they were all toast.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 19:03     Subject: 20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Not too many physics majors on DCUM today.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 18:55     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
I am with with the PPs who are surprised all 18 passengers died. It would be a wild coincidence for all 18 to have bummed heads with each other...not very likely, really. If nothing else, I’d think some of them would be cushioned by the bodies of others.

I guess I can imagine that there was some sort of severe bump/jump off the ground that caused everyone to hit the roof—resulting in head injuries and broken necks. Beyond that, it doesn’t make much sense, especially seeing the intact vehicle.

I’m very sorry for their families.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 17:32     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:Looks like the limo failed inspection.

https://abc7ny.com/cuomo-limo-driver-not-properly-licensed-in-crash-that-killed-20/4433478/

Governor Andrew Cuomo said Monday morning that the driver was not properly licensed. He added that the vehicle failed a NYS DMV inspection last month and should not have been on the road.


What the f***!!!!!!! And the statement from the limo company. Condolences????? Internal investigation????? With 3 cars and 2 drivers, you already know exactly how you screwed this up. I don't want to hear another word from them.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 15:26     Subject: Re:20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Looks like the limo failed inspection.

https://abc7ny.com/cuomo-limo-driver-not-properly-licensed-in-crash-that-killed-20/4433478/

Governor Andrew Cuomo said Monday morning that the driver was not properly licensed. He added that the vehicle failed a NYS DMV inspection last month and should not have been on the road.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 15:01     Subject: 20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident
Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad


Probably lots of internal decapitation going on. Bodies flailing about and heads knocking into things. It doesn't take a lot to cause an internal decapitation either.