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Anonymous wrote:All these kids will come out speaking English, being high school graduates, and ready to grow our economy and supporting our favorite PP in her dotage. Most countries would love a supply of young, eager workers looking forward to building their careers and becoming citizens of their new country.

A very few may do so. Go visit one of the high schools impacted by these kids. Most do not even show up for school--or show up erratically--at least that is what an ESOL teacher in one of these high schools tells me. And, by the way, she is a dedicated, Dem party activist.

As for speaking English, maybe the younger ones will. However, if that is the case, why must our voting ballots also be in Spanish? Why are we required to have a Spanish speaker at every polling place? Why are the signs at polls in several languages?

I think voting materials should all be in English. All the other non-English speakers had to learn English to vote, why not Soanish speakers?

Here's a proposal.:

Among the hardest hit by the influx of illegal aliens' children in the school system, beyond American children themselves who now have lower caliber schools, are senior citizens. They probably haven't had kids in public schools for 20 years (if in fact they had kids at all), and I say 35 years of supporting public education in sufficient. It's unfair to ask them to shoulder the burden of now educating illegals' kids, too.

The property tax rates of senior citizens in high illegal immigrant districts should be cut in half (regardless of income or assets). These people have paid to educate two generations of children, and that's enough.

Anonymous wrote:All these kids will come out speaking English, being high school graduates, and ready to grow our economy and supporting our favorite PP in her dotage. Most countries would love a supply of young, eager workers looking forward to building their careers and becoming citizens of their new country.

A very few may do so. Go visit one of the high schools impacted by these kids. Most do not even show up for school--or show up erratically--at least that is what an ESOL teacher in one of these high schools tells me. And, by the way, she is a dedicated, Dem party activist.

As for speaking English, maybe the younger ones will. However, if that is the case, why must our voting ballots also be in Spanish? Why are we required to have a Spanish speaker at every polling place? Why are the signs at polls in several languages?

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Anonymous wrote:For the average DCUM poster illegal immigrants are great lower prices overall and cheap labor for you

Not to keep beating a dead horse but the reason Trump won again is illegal immigrants drove down and are continuing to drive down blue collar wages

And in some cases not all they are having negative effects by overwhelming schools by ESOL and other services and by sheer population. You don't have to go far in Montgomery county or fairfax county to see the problems

And again the typical DCUM poster in Bethesda or other rich parts of these places doesn't see the issues first hand

Can you back up your assertions with actual numbers, pleas. How many students in schools are undocumented. Also how many taxes are undocumented workers paying? That would be helpful to know. Because you must be basing your post on actual numbers that you can cite. Otherwise why make those assertions.

There have been 600 unaccompanied minors released in northern VA just this fiscal year with most of those dumped in Fairfax County. There are probably many many more who weren't caught at the border and show up at our schools. If your schools were impacted like some of ours you would understand. Our school is overflowing already and when you include kids who are way behind everyone else and don't speak a word of English, it slows down the entire class and negatively impacts everyone.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/resource/unaccompanied-alien-children-released-to-sponsors-by-county

+ 1 The high school where my friend lives (in MoCo) is rated a 3. It's half Hispanic and very high ESOL and FARMS. Don't tell me these are legal American citizens. It's so bad that you can buy a 5-bedroom house in her neighborhood for the low $400s.

Yeah MoCo went way down after Prince William County ran out illegal immigrants and a lot of them went to MoCo. It used to be one of the best school systems in the area but now their schools are in the toilet because of the influx of these kids. I've heard the graduation rate dropped pretty low too.

I wouldn't move there if you paid me

Yes, I grew up there and went to the local public school. It was a middle to upper-middle class school, with parents who were mostly college graduates and very involved in their kids' educations. Now it's unrecognizable.

Anonymous wrote:All these kids will come out speaking English, being high school graduates, and ready to grow our economy and supporting our favorite PP in her dotage. Most countries would love a supply of young, eager workers looking forward to building their careers and becoming citizens of their new country.

No, they won’t. Many of these kids will not graduate or receive a diploma. Many will drop out, despite the fact that schools are required to educate them until the age of 21.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4752170/

I am all for having immigrant children here - as long as our country chooses which immigrant children come in. Illegal immigration is an economic issue, a social issue, a health care issue and a national security issue.

Anonymous wrote:All these kids will come out speaking English, being high school graduates, and ready to grow our economy and supporting our favorite PP in her dotage. Most countries would love a supply of young, eager workers looking forward to building their careers and becoming citizens of their new country.

Are you kidding me? Stop making it as though all these illegals are such wonderful kids. Their drop-out rate is higher than Americans. Just what we need....more unemployable near-literates roaming the streets.

And .....there is more than one person defending this reasonable position. No need to put it all down to one "dotard," which I am not in any event. (Speaking of which, you have more respect for people who break our laws than American citizens, or our senior citizens who have paid taxes and sent you butt through school.)

Anonymous wrote:All these kids will come out speaking English, being high school graduates, and ready to grow our economy and supporting our favorite PP in her dotage. Most countries would love a supply of young, eager workers looking forward to building their careers and becoming citizens of their new country.

Great! Which countries would those be? They can go there!

Why should we have to education children who are not American and not authorized to be here? Their cases should be moved through the courts and they should be sent back to their country of origin along with their sponsors who are probably also illegaly here.

All these kids will come out speaking English, being high school graduates, and ready to grow our economy and supporting our favorite PP in her dotage. Most countries would love a supply of young, eager workers looking forward to building their careers and becoming citizens of their new country.

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Anonymous wrote:For the average DCUM poster illegal immigrants are great lower prices overall and cheap labor for you

Not to keep beating a dead horse but the reason Trump won again is illegal immigrants drove down and are continuing to drive down blue collar wages

And in some cases not all they are having negative effects by overwhelming schools by ESOL and other services and by sheer population. You don't have to go far in Montgomery county or fairfax county to see the problems

And again the typical DCUM poster in Bethesda or other rich parts of these places doesn't see the issues first hand

Can you back up your assertions with actual numbers, pleas. How many students in schools are undocumented. Also how many taxes are undocumented workers paying? That would be helpful to know. Because you must be basing your post on actual numbers that you can cite. Otherwise why make those assertions.

There have been 600 unaccompanied minors released in northern VA just this fiscal year with most of those dumped in Fairfax County. There are probably many many more who weren't caught at the border and show up at our schools. If your schools were impacted like some of ours you would understand. Our school is overflowing already and when you include kids who are way behind everyone else and don't speak a word of English, it slows down the entire class and negatively impacts everyone.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/resource/unaccompanied-alien-children-released-to-sponsors-by-county

+ 1 The high school where my friend lives (in MoCo) is rated a 3. It's half Hispanic and very high ESOL and FARMS. Don't tell me these are legal American citizens. It's so bad that you can buy a 5-bedroom house in her neighborhood for the low $400s.

Yeah MoCo went way down after Prince William County ran out illegal immigrants and a lot of them went to MoCo. It used to be one of the best school systems in the area but now their schools are in the toilet because of the influx of these kids. I've heard the graduation rate dropped pretty low too.

I wouldn't move there if you paid me

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the average DCUM poster illegal immigrants are great lower prices overall and cheap labor for you

Not to keep beating a dead horse but the reason Trump won again is illegal immigrants drove down and are continuing to drive down blue collar wages

And in some cases not all they are having negative effects by overwhelming schools by ESOL and other services and by sheer population. You don't have to go far in Montgomery county or fairfax county to see the problems

And again the typical DCUM poster in Bethesda or other rich parts of these places doesn't see the issues first hand

Can you back up your assertions with actual numbers, pleas. How many students in schools are undocumented. Also how many taxes are undocumented workers paying? That would be helpful to know. Because you must be basing your post on actual numbers that you can cite. Otherwise why make those assertions.

There have been 600 unaccompanied minors released in northern VA just this fiscal year with most of those dumped in Fairfax County. There are probably many many more who weren't caught at the border and show up at our schools. If your schools were impacted like some of ours you would understand. Our school is overflowing already and when you include kids who are way behind everyone else and don't speak a word of English, it slows down the entire class and negatively impacts everyone.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/resource/unaccompanied-alien-children-released-to-sponsors-by-county

Yes, this exactly. Liberals are so eager to keep protecting illegal immigrants, even at the expense of our own children's educations. And that says nothing of the decrease in property values due to the decline in the schools or the increase in property tax (mine is now more than P&I) to pay for them all. Not long ago, a major department store was having a drive to collect money "for the children" because the schools can't afford to cover them. Take out the illegals, and the existing budget would be just fine.

Agree on the property taxes. Every year they need more money but our kids aren't getting more services. They need the money to support these kids coming in needing ESOL and other resources.

Yes, and it's really put a financial burden on average earners who bought modest homes. They purchased a house they could afford, years ago, and now the property taxes have escalated so high that they're being priced out of their own homes.

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Anonymous wrote:For the average DCUM poster illegal immigrants are great lower prices overall and cheap labor for you

Not to keep beating a dead horse but the reason Trump won again is illegal immigrants drove down and are continuing to drive down blue collar wages

And in some cases not all they are having negative effects by overwhelming schools by ESOL and other services and by sheer population. You don't have to go far in Montgomery county or fairfax county to see the problems

And again the typical DCUM poster in Bethesda or other rich parts of these places doesn't see the issues first hand

Can you back up your assertions with actual numbers, pleas. How many students in schools are undocumented. Also how many taxes are undocumented workers paying? That would be helpful to know. Because you must be basing your post on actual numbers that you can cite. Otherwise why make those assertions.

There have been 600 unaccompanied minors released in northern VA just this fiscal year with most of those dumped in Fairfax County. There are probably many many more who weren't caught at the border and show up at our schools. If your schools were impacted like some of ours you would understand. Our school is overflowing already and when you include kids who are way behind everyone else and don't speak a word of English, it slows down the entire class and negatively impacts everyone.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/resource/unaccompanied-alien-children-released-to-sponsors-by-county

+ 1 The high school where my friend lives (in MoCo) is rated a 3. It's half Hispanic and very high ESOL and FARMS. Don't tell me these are legal American citizens. It's so bad that you can buy a 5-bedroom house in her neighborhood for the low $400s.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the average DCUM poster illegal immigrants are great lower prices overall and cheap labor for you

Not to keep beating a dead horse but the reason Trump won again is illegal immigrants drove down and are continuing to drive down blue collar wages

And in some cases not all they are having negative effects by overwhelming schools by ESOL and other services and by sheer population. You don't have to go far in Montgomery county or fairfax county to see the problems

And again the typical DCUM poster in Bethesda or other rich parts of these places doesn't see the issues first hand

Can you back up your assertions with actual numbers, pleas. How many students in schools are undocumented. Also how many taxes are undocumented workers paying? That would be helpful to know. Because you must be basing your post on actual numbers that you can cite. Otherwise why make those assertions.

There have been 600 unaccompanied minors released in northern VA just this fiscal year with most of those dumped in Fairfax County. There are probably many many more who weren't caught at the border and show up at our schools. If your schools were impacted like some of ours you would understand. Our school is overflowing already and when you include kids who are way behind everyone else and don't speak a word of English, it slows down the entire class and negatively impacts everyone.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/resource/unaccompanied-alien-children-released-to-sponsors-by-county

Yes, this exactly. Liberals are so eager to keep protecting illegal immigrants, even at the expense of our own children's educations. And that says nothing of the decrease in property values due to the decline in the schools or the increase in property tax (mine is now more than P&I) to pay for them all. Not long ago, a major department store was having a drive to collect money "for the children" because the schools can't afford to cover them. Take out the illegals, and the existing budget would be just fine.

Agree on the property taxes. Every year they need more money but our kids aren't getting more services. They need the money to support these kids coming in needing ESOL and other resources.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the average DCUM poster illegal immigrants are great lower prices overall and cheap labor for you

Not to keep beating a dead horse but the reason Trump won again is illegal immigrants drove down and are continuing to drive down blue collar wages

And in some cases not all they are having negative effects by overwhelming schools by ESOL and other services and by sheer population. You don't have to go far in Montgomery county or fairfax county to see the problems

And again the typical DCUM poster in Bethesda or other rich parts of these places doesn't see the issues first hand

Can you back up your assertions with actual numbers, pleas. How many students in schools are undocumented. Also how many taxes are undocumented workers paying? That would be helpful to know. Because you must be basing your post on actual numbers that you can cite. Otherwise why make those assertions.

There have been 600 unaccompanied minors released in northern VA just this fiscal year with most of those dumped in Fairfax County. There are probably many many more who weren't caught at the border and show up at our schools. If your schools were impacted like some of ours you would understand. Our school is overflowing already and when you include kids who are way behind everyone else and don't speak a word of English, it slows down the entire class and negatively impacts everyone.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/resource/unaccompanied-alien-children-released-to-sponsors-by-county

Yes, this exactly. Liberals are so eager to keep protecting illegal immigrants, even at the expense of our own children's educations. And that says nothing of the decrease in property values due to the decline in the schools or the increase in property tax (mine is now more than P&I) to pay for them all. Not long ago, a major department store was having a drive to collect money "for the children" because the schools can't afford to cover them. Take out the illegals, and the existing budget would be just fine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the average DCUM poster illegal immigrants are great lower prices overall and cheap labor for you

Not to keep beating a dead horse but the reason Trump won again is illegal immigrants drove down and are continuing to drive down blue collar wages

And in some cases not all they are having negative effects by overwhelming schools by ESOL and other services and by sheer population. You don't have to go far in Montgomery county or fairfax county to see the problems

And again the typical DCUM poster in Bethesda or other rich parts of these places doesn't see the issues first hand

Can you back up your assertions with actual numbers, pleas. How many students in schools are undocumented. Also how many taxes are undocumented workers paying? That would be helpful to know. Because you must be basing your post on actual numbers that you can cite. Otherwise why make those assertions.

There have been 600 unaccompanied minors released in northern VA just this fiscal year with most of those dumped in Fairfax County. There are probably many many more who weren't caught at the border and show up at our schools. If your schools were impacted like some of ours you would understand. Our school is overflowing already and when you include kids who are way behind everyone else and don't speak a word of English, it slows down the entire class and negatively impacts everyone.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/resource/unaccompanied-alien-children-released-to-sponsors-by-county

To support what pp has said.......
This article is from 2014 - back when the unaccompanied minors flooded our border. The number cited in this article is a mere fraction of the number of illegal immigrant students in the schools in Fairfax.

https://www.watchdog.org/news/fairfax-to-feds-reimburse-us-m-for-educating-undocumented-kids/article_ebbf2f3a-3d9a-5ce9-b726-4111b746c971.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the average DCUM poster illegal immigrants are great lower prices overall and cheap labor for you

Not to keep beating a dead horse but the reason Trump won again is illegal immigrants drove down and are continuing to drive down blue collar wages

And in some cases not all they are having negative effects by overwhelming schools by ESOL and other services and by sheer population. You don't have to go far in Montgomery county or fairfax county to see the problems

And again the typical DCUM poster in Bethesda or other rich parts of these places doesn't see the issues first hand

Can you back up your assertions with actual numbers, pleas. How many students in schools are undocumented. Also how many taxes are undocumented workers paying? That would be helpful to know. Because you must be basing your post on actual numbers that you can cite. Otherwise why make those assertions.

There have been 600 unaccompanied minors released in northern VA just this fiscal year with most of those dumped in Fairfax County. There are probably many many more who weren't caught at the border and show up at our schools. If your schools were impacted like some of ours you would understand. Our school is overflowing already and when you include kids who are way behind everyone else and don't speak a word of English, it slows down the entire class and negatively impacts everyone.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/resource/unaccompanied-alien-children-released-to-sponsors-by-county