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Post 07/11/2018 20:48     Subject: Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:If Ds are even thinking about pushing Hillary to run again, they are even more clueless than usual (and I enthusiastically voted for her last go around).

I like John Delaney. He has already announced he is running in '20 and his more moderate bi-partisan cooperation message should be appealing to the large numbers of non-crazy Rs and non-uber-liberal Ds. He's not the most inspiring public speaker but there is time for him to work on that and his message and background (successful business person) are broadly appealing and seem good for our country.


I am a D. I will evaluate each democrats running in primary carefully for their policy and records and chose the best one. I would also vote for Hillary enthusiastically again if she gets past primary. There is nothing wrong with her (and in fact she is amply fit) unless you have bought into all the nonsense that is pushed by right-wing media amplified by Russian/other enemy trolls.

But I do not think she is inclined to run again.


^^^ Case in point. This is a liberal.

IKR? There is nothing wrong with her?? Unbelievable that even one liberal still thinks this way.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 20:32     Subject: Re:Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

Anonymous wrote:Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi would been fine if they were younger. I have a feeling the two PP suggesting their names are conservative trolls.

If they run and win primary (I will not vote for them in primary), I will assure you that I would vote for them happily because of their position with policies.


Well, great. Why don't Democrats run Maxine, Nancy, Hillary and/or Elizabeth W. Those choices will really set the Democrats back in the driver's seat!!
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Post 07/11/2018 20:31     Subject: Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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I do not think DNC did any poor job. There are at least 10 or more qualified person I can think of. It is just that some people cannot see past Biden/Sanders. I believe Duckworth, Gillibrand, Ted Lieu, Warren, Booker, Kamala Harris, O'Malley, Cuomo, Blasio, Chris Murphey, Schiff, Tim Kaine, Eric Salwell Michelle Obama or Klobuchar would be a fine President.


With a couple of exceptions, this is a pretty sorry bunch of potential candidates - most are not electable.

The only ones I like and would be willing to vote for are shown in bold. I'd also vote for Mark Warner. I am not sure any of them- with the possible exception of Biden - could defeat Trump assuming the economy is doing well.


Michele Obama? What are her qualifications, being a first lady she got to watch her husband try to run the country? Why are you leaving Oprah out? She has more popular support than all of those weak candidates combined.


I think Michelle Obama is electable. Two factors must go into anyone we nominate: qualification and electability - and the latter is more important than the former.


Please lay out the first one, what are Michelle Obama's qualifications?


What are trump's?


Ran a multi-billion dollar business employing 1000's.


+1. But finish the sentence. Into multiple bankruptcies.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 20:29     Subject: Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:If Ds are even thinking about pushing Hillary to run again, they are even more clueless than usual (and I enthusiastically voted for her last go around).

I like John Delaney. He has already announced he is running in '20 and his more moderate bi-partisan cooperation message should be appealing to the large numbers of non-crazy Rs and non-uber-liberal Ds. He's not the most inspiring public speaker but there is time for him to work on that and his message and background (successful business person) are broadly appealing and seem good for our country.


I am a D. I will evaluate each democrats running in primary carefully for their policy and records and chose the best one. I would also vote for Hillary enthusiastically again if she gets past primary. There is nothing wrong with her (and in fact she is amply fit) unless you have bought into all the nonsense that is pushed by right-wing media amplified by Russian/other enemy trolls.

But I do not think she is inclined to run again.


^^^ Case in point. This is a liberal.


It's a great idea. Don't try to squelch it.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 20:19     Subject: Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:If Ds are even thinking about pushing Hillary to run again, they are even more clueless than usual (and I enthusiastically voted for her last go around).

I like John Delaney. He has already announced he is running in '20 and his more moderate bi-partisan cooperation message should be appealing to the large numbers of non-crazy Rs and non-uber-liberal Ds. He's not the most inspiring public speaker but there is time for him to work on that and his message and background (successful business person) are broadly appealing and seem good for our country.


I am a D. I will evaluate each democrats running in primary carefully for their policy and records and chose the best one. I would also vote for Hillary enthusiastically again if she gets past primary. There is nothing wrong with her (and in fact she is amply fit) unless you have bought into all the nonsense that is pushed by right-wing media amplified by Russian/other enemy trolls.

But I do not think she is inclined to run again.


^^^ Case in point. This is a liberal.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 20:18     Subject: Re:Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:Hillary will run and will get the nomination unless Biden runs. I really hope he does.


I feel like all of you idiots have to be Republicans. I can think of nothing less likely than HRC running again. You all are just convinced she's the narcissistic devil you've been told she is so can't see how incredibly dumb and masochistic that would be.


OK, not the PP, but you're the idiot here. It's your liberal friends who can't let go of the HRC dream who keep bringing her up. There are many of you who are convinced she could win the second time around. You should be addressing your ire to them.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 20:15     Subject: Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:Franken. I still believe he can mount a comeback and is the only person witty enough to take on Trump at his own game.

He's atoned for his sins. Let the people vote.


I am a democrat that would vote for a monkey over trump but would be appalled if the D's nominated Franken. Almost appalled enough to say eff them all as a woman.


I understand that and I think it would be a mistake to nominate him.

I also think he got railroaded. The woman who accused him conveniently went on to be paid by conservative media. I am not convinced it happened as she claims. I mean, based on the evidence presented, he had to resign, but it is all very suspect.


Seven women. Of varying political dispositions. Are you a man or a woman? I'm really over the brand of liberal man that rises up to defend people like Franken.


OK, I'm going to be honest that I had actually forgotten that the other allegations happened. I was going through a personal crisis at that point and hadn't tracked this as closely as some others.

I just read the Time article about the accusations. several of his accusers were unnamed. I still am not sure even those named rose to the level of him losing his seat. If the allegations are true, yes, he's skeevy. I just still feel like some of this was overblown.

He did the right thing resigning as quickly as he did. He just never had a chance to try to disprove anything.


I lean moderate conservative and agree with you. I think in both his case and Garrison Keillor, they were found guilty of what amounts to very, very little. It's a real shame that once someone is accused, that's it. There's no room for their side of the story to be told.

Of course, I'm not talking about someone like Harvey Weinstein. But Tom Brokaw would be another one who I think was unfairly swept up in the #MeToo campaign.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 20:08     Subject: Re:Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:Michael Avenatti




President Hottie


If he runs , I would vote for him for being tough as nail!


He’s an interesting dark horse


Highly photogenic, does not have political baggage and not scared of bad publicity. He would kill Trump's rating game pretty quickly. Election would be crazy though!




Michael Avenatti is also highly intelligent as well as being telegenic and well spoken. He would get great ratings.


Stormy Daniels SOCAL lawyer who is representing 50 [?] illegal immigrant mama. https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/us-world/border-mexico/article/Celebrity-lawyer-takes-cases-of-50-immigrant-13009057.php

"“If any white family in America traveled to another country and had this happen to them, this would be an international crisis,” Avenatti said. “The state department would be called into action, and all of America would be demanding the return of that child to that family.”
Avenatti recently set up a GoFundMe to crowdfund for the cost of bond for these mothers and other out-of-pocket expenses.
As of Tuesday evening it had raised more than $76,000."

Issue is traveling to another country is with passports on a visa is NOT the same situation. By that statement it is clear Avenatti wants open borders.

This guy + one kid were here illegally and the pregnant wife plus at least 1 other child came and were detained/separated. All need to be deported. https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2018/07/11/honduran-father-lawyers-seek-family-separation-immigrant-daughters-nyc/774029002/

Easy to reunite them in fast deportations.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 19:59     Subject: Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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I do not think DNC did any poor job. There are at least 10 or more qualified person I can think of. It is just that some people cannot see past Biden/Sanders. I believe Duckworth, Gillibrand, Ted Lieu, Warren, Booker, Kamala Harris, O'Malley, Cuomo, Blasio, Chris Murphey, Schiff, Tim Kaine, Eric Salwell Michelle Obama or Klobuchar would be a fine President.


With a couple of exceptions, this is a pretty sorry bunch of potential candidates - most are not electable.

The only ones I like and would be willing to vote for are shown in bold. I'd also vote for Mark Warner. I am not sure any of them- with the possible exception of Biden - could defeat Trump assuming the economy is doing well.


Michele Obama? What are her qualifications, being a first lady she got to watch her husband try to run the country? Why are you leaving Oprah out? She has more popular support than all of those weak candidates combined.


I think Michelle Obama is electable. Two factors must go into anyone we nominate: qualification and electability - and the latter is more important than the former.


Please lay out the first one, what are Michelle Obama's qualifications?


What are trump's?


Ran a multi-billion dollar business employing 1000's.

Nope.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 19:30     Subject: Re:Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:Avanetti is probably our best hope at this point. He is the only one I know of who will attack ALL of Trump’s lies and scandals. He will demand that these scandals get media coverage. He will run a smart and efficient campaign. We just really need someone who will not hold back on Trump. I don’t know why Hillary did not attack him harder. I also think he could be great at connecting with young voters, which will be crucial. Unless there is someone else like him out there, but with more political experience, I think it has to be him.

That said, I will likely get behind whoever Obama endorses. I think he will know better than anyone else who has a shot at beating Trump and will do what he can to move that person forward. Ot will be interesting to see who he ends up supporting.


You are out of your fricking mind! Unless you are a Republican who wants us to nominate a disaster. I'd rather see Hillary run again than Avanetti.




Avenatti was virtually unknown until March 2018. Now we are debating if he has a shot at the presidency. Hottie Avenatti 2020 #basta and all that.


Agree! It is an idiotic suggestion.
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Post 07/11/2018 19:25     Subject: Re:Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:Avanetti is probably our best hope at this point. He is the only one I know of who will attack ALL of Trump’s lies and scandals. He will demand that these scandals get media coverage. He will run a smart and efficient campaign. We just really need someone who will not hold back on Trump. I don’t know why Hillary did not attack him harder. I also think he could be great at connecting with young voters, which will be crucial. Unless there is someone else like him out there, but with more political experience, I think it has to be him.

That said, I will likely get behind whoever Obama endorses. I think he will know better than anyone else who has a shot at beating Trump and will do what he can to move that person forward. Ot will be interesting to see who he ends up supporting.


You are out of your fricking mind! Unless you are a Republican who wants us to nominate a disaster. I'd rather see Hillary run again than Avanetti.




Avenatti was virtually unknown until March 2018. Now we are debating if he has a shot at the presidency. Hottie Avenatti 2020 #basta and all that.
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Post 07/11/2018 19:14     Subject: Re:Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

Anonymous wrote:Avanetti is probably our best hope at this point. He is the only one I know of who will attack ALL of Trump’s lies and scandals. He will demand that these scandals get media coverage. He will run a smart and efficient campaign. We just really need someone who will not hold back on Trump. I don’t know why Hillary did not attack him harder. I also think he could be great at connecting with young voters, which will be crucial. Unless there is someone else like him out there, but with more political experience, I think it has to be him.

That said, I will likely get behind whoever Obama endorses. I think he will know better than anyone else who has a shot at beating Trump and will do what he can to move that person forward. Ot will be interesting to see who he ends up supporting.


You are out of your fricking mind! Unless you are a Republican who wants us to nominate a disaster. I'd rather see Hillary run again than Avanetti.
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Post 07/11/2018 19:07     Subject: Re:Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

Anonymous wrote:Avanetti is probably our best hope at this point. He is the only one I know of who will attack ALL of Trump’s lies and scandals. He will demand that these scandals get media coverage. He will run a smart and efficient campaign. We just really need someone who will not hold back on Trump. I don’t know why Hillary did not attack him harder. I also think he could be great at connecting with young voters, which will be crucial. Unless there is someone else like him out there, but with more political experience, I think it has to be him.

That said, I will likely get behind whoever Obama endorses. I think he will know better than anyone else who has a shot at beating Trump and will do what he can to move that person forward. Ot will be interesting to see who he ends up supporting.


Yes, Obama is so effective at backing candidates. He is the kiss of death and was shunned by many democrats running for a variety of seats. His endorsement of Hillary as the most qualified candidate ever really carried the day. You should do whatever he says.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 19:04     Subject: Re:Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

Avanetti is probably our best hope at this point. He is the only one I know of who will attack ALL of Trump’s lies and scandals. He will demand that these scandals get media coverage. He will run a smart and efficient campaign. We just really need someone who will not hold back on Trump. I don’t know why Hillary did not attack him harder. I also think he could be great at connecting with young voters, which will be crucial. Unless there is someone else like him out there, but with more political experience, I think it has to be him.

That said, I will likely get behind whoever Obama endorses. I think he will know better than anyone else who has a shot at beating Trump and will do what he can to move that person forward. Ot will be interesting to see who he ends up supporting.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2018 19:03     Subject: Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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I do not think DNC did any poor job. There are at least 10 or more qualified person I can think of. It is just that some people cannot see past Biden/Sanders. I believe Duckworth, Gillibrand, Ted Lieu, Warren, Booker, Kamala Harris, O'Malley, Cuomo, Blasio, Chris Murphey, Schiff, Tim Kaine, Eric Salwell Michelle Obama or Klobuchar would be a fine President.


With a couple of exceptions, this is a pretty sorry bunch of potential candidates - most are not electable.

The only ones I like and would be willing to vote for are shown in bold. I'd also vote for Mark Warner. I am not sure any of them- with the possible exception of Biden - could defeat Trump assuming the economy is doing well.


Michele Obama? What are her qualifications, being a first lady she got to watch her husband try to run the country? Why are you leaving Oprah out? She has more popular support than all of those weak candidates combined.


I think Michelle Obama is electable. Two factors must go into anyone we nominate: qualification and electability - and the latter is more important than the former.


Please lay out the first one, what are Michelle Obama's qualifications?


What are trump's?


Ran a multi-billion dollar business employing 1000's.