Anonymous wrote:The article the the Post quoted an admissions officer at Davidson College saying it definitely won’t count against these kids that they don’t take A.P. classes. And yet it sure as hell would count against my public school kid if he didn’t take A.P. classes. Why shouldn’t it bother me that parents are paying tuition in order to ensure a smoother path in what is supposed to be a fair process?

As private schools, they are not obligated to follow any particular curriculum or grading scheme, and we know that the parents want the kids to get perfect grades and get into great colleges, so what is stopping these schools from calling every class Incredibly Advanced History and giving everyone A’s? They used to have to demonstrate this knowledge on AP exams. Now they won’t.

Anonymous wrote:I don't send my kids to private school so that they can get a cookie cutter education. The strength of private schools is that they don't have to teach to "the test. "

Getting rid of APs is long overdue.

Anonymous wrote:The article the the Post quoted an admissions officer at Davidson College saying it definitely won’t count against these kids that they don’t take A.P. classes. And yet it sure as hell would count against my public school kid if he didn’t take A.P. classes. Why shouldn’t it bother me that parents are paying tuition in order to ensure a smoother path in what is supposed to be a fair process?

As private schools, they are not obligated to follow any particular curriculum or grading scheme, and we know that the parents want the kids to get perfect grades and get into great colleges, so what is stopping these schools from calling every class Incredibly Advanced History and giving everyone A’s? They used to have to demonstrate this knowledge on AP exams. Now they won’t.

Anonymous wrote:Typical of the 1%ers. Because of the proliferation of AP curricula at public secondary schools and the elevated GPAs, public school admission proportions are increasing at elite colleges. Private schools are aiming to muddy the waters, inflate GPAs, and democratize their pool of candidates. Or rather, Oprah-size it....you get an A, you get an A, you get an A....everybody gets an A in some specially crafted, pseudo liberal arts seminar-class where the requirement is "tell us how you feel" about what you might have read......no paper, no essay, no exam.... just experiential learning....~%#

Anonymous wrote:Exhibit A

https://oir.yale.edu/sites/default/files/w028_fresh_byregsch.pdf

Yale public school admissions has increased from 50-52% 20 years ago to regularly 58-60%. Read it and weep AP tears......

Anonymous wrote:It is an accepted fact that AP curricula has improved the opportunity for rigor in public schools. College admissions staff (myself included) seek to determine if candidates pursued the highest level of rigor available at their schools.

Anonymous wrote:Typical of the 1%ers. Because of the proliferation of AP curricula at public secondary schools and the elevated GPAs, public school admission proportions are increasing at elite colleges. Private schools are aiming to muddy the waters, inflate GPAs, and democratize their pool of candidates. Or rather, Oprah-size it....you get an A, you get an A, you get an A....everybody gets an A in some specially crafted, pseudo liberal arts seminar-class where the requirement is "tell us how you feel" about what you might have read......no paper, no essay, no exam.... just experiential learning....~%#

Anonymous wrote:It is an accepted fact that AP curricula has improved the opportunity for rigor in public schools. College admissions staff (myself included) seek to determine if candidates pursued the highest level of rigor available at their schools.

Anonymous wrote:Because of the proliferation of AP curricula at public secondary schools and the elevated GPAs, public school admission proportions are increasing at elite colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:The seven top private schools in the area issued a joint statement that they’re all eliminating AP. According to the Post, before “dropping AP, the schools surveyed nearly 150 colleges and universities about the potential impact. They said admission officers assured them the change would not hurt the chances of their students.”

Of course it won’t. Privilege begets privilege.

As a public school parent, this strikes me as privileged parents gaming the system so their children can never be compared directly to public school children. Colleges will just be told to trust them that their classes — and their children — are superior.

Really? Well then what do you consider the SAT and ACT? Also, private school kids will still take the AP exams, they just don't need special prescribed curriculum AP classes to do well.

I consider the ACT sand SAT the last existing exams by which to actually compare students across schools, and I expect many more kids to opt out of them and apply to test optional schools. I also really don’t expect students will take APs on their own, given that the whole point of these courses is that they don’t have to cover the same material as the AP tests.

I think we’re moving to a point where truly the only number that matters is your parents’ income. If you can write a check to the university, you get to go. It’s not fair but at least it’s honest.

Youa re plainly wrong. The truth is that is how it always has been and that we are moving away from that now. More elite colleges and universities are saving spaces for kids who are the first in their families to attend college, more schools are setting aside money to defray costs for poor and middle income students, more schools are downgrading the weight of legacy status, fewer rich privileged and upper class kids get into the elite colleges and universites every year as these schools are changing many if their policies to get a more economically diverse student body. Its is much tougher for private school students to get into the top colleges and universities than it was a generation ago mostly because so many kids who previously would never have been able to even consider an Ivy or top SLAC are now applying in record numbers.

Yes and no. $70+K/year tuitions are, once again, giving the rich easier access to private colleges and universities. At the same time, some of those schools justify/rationalize this retrenchment by actively seeking out first-gen and low income students and removing financial barrier to their attendance. There’s still a missing middle (which may, at the national level at least, be the lower upper middle class) who don’t fall into either category and who donut apply or who opt out if admitted, or take on serious debt to attend these schools. Those kids, in turn, gravitate toward flagship publics (which in places like CA and VA have it grown as fast as the population). And the best public Universities, beset by funding uncertainties, have significantly raised tuition and increasingly turned to OOS and international students to help pay the bills. It actually looks like a much more economically-stratified higher education system than I encountered in the late 70s/early 80s when Harvard’s tuition + room and board ranged from $8K-12K a year and Berkeley’s law school tuition was $750 a semester. It’s no doubt tougher for the “gentleman’s C”-type private school student to get into an elite college or university than it was back in the day when women and minorities were almost categorically excluded from those hallowed halls, but a relatively high-performing full pay private school student still has a serious edge over a public school student of the same race/gender/ability/locale.