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Anonymous wrote:Let’s all go live on a commune then! That will take the stress out of our lives! No meds!

It's better than drugging our kids. Goodness me.

I'd really love to know how some of this drug-happy parents would react if their kid ended up on meth. The funny thing is that I think most of them would be horrified (as would I). And yet..... same thing, different place it comes from, and it's fine?

There's a major lack of critical thinking here.

It's not the same thing because my child's medication use is being closely monitored by two doctors (psych and ped) and by involved parents who make sure medication is dosed properly and teach complementary behavior modification as well. We teach him, at an age aproriate level, the benefits and risks of medication and the importance of using it properly. And he's getting it from a legal, licensed source so it's not cut with a bunch of random and dangerous crap.

Your blind faith in the pharmaceutical industry astounds me.

You know how 50 years ago people were sending their SN kids off to different institutions to be subjected to shock therapy and other things to 'help' them? Everyone used to do that. The government suggested it, supported it. And now, we know that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

I strongly believe that giving kids speed is going to be one of those thing that in 50 years people will look back at these primitive times and shake their heads at how clueless people were.

I agree with this.

How arrogant are we, to feel that our era has somehow gotten this right and that we are not repeating the mistakes of previous times, just with different names and labels?

I work with high school students. The effects of ADHD meds longterm are disturbing. I would never say these things in real life, though.

You work with high school students thus you can't possibly know the long-term effects - you have not seen these kids in elementary school while unmedicated/have not done longitudinal studies/ have not looked into between-group research. The only thing that you are doing right is keeping your ignorance to yourself.

Many of them have been on meds SINCE elementary school, so yes, the effects I see are long-term.

I notice you didn't ask what the effects are. You don't want to know. You have decided that meds are 100% safe and will not hear otherwise. So who is "ignorant"?

DP. Please, do tell us what long-term effects you’ve observed. This should be good.

Not sure what long term effects she's noticed, but she isn't alone:

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/06/09/fewer-prescriptions-for-adhd-less-drug-abuse/adhd-drugs-have-long-term-risks

LOL, that was hilarious. Give us another?

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s all go live on a commune then! That will take the stress out of our lives! No meds!

It's better than drugging our kids. Goodness me.

I'd really love to know how some of this drug-happy parents would react if their kid ended up on meth. The funny thing is that I think most of them would be horrified (as would I). And yet..... same thing, different place it comes from, and it's fine?

There's a major lack of critical thinking here.

It's not the same thing because my child's medication use is being closely monitored by two doctors (psych and ped) and by involved parents who make sure medication is dosed properly and teach complementary behavior modification as well. We teach him, at an age aproriate level, the benefits and risks of medication and the importance of using it properly. And he's getting it from a legal, licensed source so it's not cut with a bunch of random and dangerous crap.

Your blind faith in the pharmaceutical industry astounds me.

You know how 50 years ago people were sending their SN kids off to different institutions to be subjected to shock therapy and other things to 'help' them? Everyone used to do that. The government suggested it, supported it. And now, we know that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

I strongly believe that giving kids speed is going to be one of those thing that in 50 years people will look back at these primitive times and shake their heads at how clueless people were.

I agree with this.

How arrogant are we, to feel that our era has somehow gotten this right and that we are not repeating the mistakes of previous times, just with different names and labels?

I work with high school students. The effects of ADHD meds longterm are disturbing. I would never say these things in real life, though.

You work with high school students thus you can't possibly know the long-term effects - you have not seen these kids in elementary school while unmedicated/have not done longitudinal studies/ have not looked into between-group research. The only thing that you are doing right is keeping your ignorance to yourself.

Many of them have been on meds SINCE elementary school, so yes, the effects I see are long-term.

I notice you didn't ask what the effects are. You don't want to know. You have decided that meds are 100% safe and will not hear otherwise. So who is "ignorant"?

DP. Please, do tell us what long-term effects you’ve observed. This should be good.

Not sure what long term effects she's noticed, but she isn't alone:

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/06/09/fewer-prescriptions-for-adhd-less-drug-abuse/adhd-drugs-have-long-term-risks

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s all go live on a commune then! That will take the stress out of our lives! No meds!

It's better than drugging our kids. Goodness me.

I'd really love to know how some of this drug-happy parents would react if their kid ended up on meth. The funny thing is that I think most of them would be horrified (as would I). And yet..... same thing, different place it comes from, and it's fine?

There's a major lack of critical thinking here.

It's not the same thing because my child's medication use is being closely monitored by two doctors (psych and ped) and by involved parents who make sure medication is dosed properly and teach complementary behavior modification as well. We teach him, at an age aproriate level, the benefits and risks of medication and the importance of using it properly. And he's getting it from a legal, licensed source so it's not cut with a bunch of random and dangerous crap.

Your blind faith in the pharmaceutical industry astounds me.

You know how 50 years ago people were sending their SN kids off to different institutions to be subjected to shock therapy and other things to 'help' them? Everyone used to do that. The government suggested it, supported it. And now, we know that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

I strongly believe that giving kids speed is going to be one of those thing that in 50 years people will look back at these primitive times and shake their heads at how clueless people were.

I agree with this.

How arrogant are we, to feel that our era has somehow gotten this right and that we are not repeating the mistakes of previous times, just with different names and labels?

I work with high school students. The effects of ADHD meds longterm are disturbing. I would never say these things in real life, though.

You work with high school students thus you can't possibly know the long-term effects - you have not seen these kids in elementary school while unmedicated/have not done longitudinal studies/ have not looked into between-group research. The only thing that you are doing right is keeping your ignorance to yourself.

Many of them have been on meds SINCE elementary school, so yes, the effects I see are long-term.

I notice you didn't ask what the effects are. You don't want to know. You have decided that meds are 100% safe and will not hear otherwise. So who is "ignorant"?

DP. Please, do tell us what long-term effects you’ve observed. This should be good.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s all go live on a commune then! That will take the stress out of our lives! No meds!

It's better than drugging our kids. Goodness me.

I'd really love to know how some of this drug-happy parents would react if their kid ended up on meth. The funny thing is that I think most of them would be horrified (as would I). And yet..... same thing, different place it comes from, and it's fine?

There's a major lack of critical thinking here.

It's not the same thing because my child's medication use is being closely monitored by two doctors (psych and ped) and by involved parents who make sure medication is dosed properly and teach complementary behavior modification as well. We teach him, at an age aproriate level, the benefits and risks of medication and the importance of using it properly. And he's getting it from a legal, licensed source so it's not cut with a bunch of random and dangerous crap.

Your blind faith in the pharmaceutical industry astounds me.

You know how 50 years ago people were sending their SN kids off to different institutions to be subjected to shock therapy and other things to 'help' them? Everyone used to do that. The government suggested it, supported it. And now, we know that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

I strongly believe that giving kids speed is going to be one of those thing that in 50 years people will look back at these primitive times and shake their heads at how clueless people were.

I agree with this.

How arrogant are we, to feel that our era has somehow gotten this right and that we are not repeating the mistakes of previous times, just with different names and labels?

I work with high school students. The effects of ADHD meds longterm are disturbing. I would never say these things in real life, though.

You work with high school students thus you can't possibly know the long-term effects - you have not seen these kids in elementary school while unmedicated/have not done longitudinal studies/ have not looked into between-group research. The only thing that you are doing right is keeping your ignorance to yourself.

Many of them have been on meds SINCE elementary school, so yes, the effects I see are long-term.

I notice you didn't ask what the effects are. You don't want to know. You have decided that meds are 100% safe and will not hear otherwise. So who is "ignorant"?

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s all go live on a commune then! That will take the stress out of our lives! No meds!

It's better than drugging our kids. Goodness me.

I'd really love to know how some of this drug-happy parents would react if their kid ended up on meth. The funny thing is that I think most of them would be horrified (as would I). And yet..... same thing, different place it comes from, and it's fine?

There's a major lack of critical thinking here.

It's not the same thing because my child's medication use is being closely monitored by two doctors (psych and ped) and by involved parents who make sure medication is dosed properly and teach complementary behavior modification as well. We teach him, at an age aproriate level, the benefits and risks of medication and the importance of using it properly. And he's getting it from a legal, licensed source so it's not cut with a bunch of random and dangerous crap.

Your blind faith in the pharmaceutical industry astounds me.

You know how 50 years ago people were sending their SN kids off to different institutions to be subjected to shock therapy and other things to 'help' them? Everyone used to do that. The government suggested it, supported it. And now, we know that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

I strongly believe that giving kids speed is going to be one of those thing that in 50 years people will look back at these primitive times and shake their heads at how clueless people were.

I agree with this.

How arrogant are we, to feel that our era has somehow gotten this right and that we are not repeating the mistakes of previous times, just with different names and labels?

I work with high school students. The effects of ADHD meds longterm are disturbing. I would never say these things in real life, though.

You work with high school students thus you can't possibly know the long-term effects - you have not seen these kids in elementary school while unmedicated/have not done longitudinal studies/ have not looked into between-group research. The only thing that you are doing right is keeping your ignorance to yourself.

Many of them have been on meds SINCE elementary school, so yes, the effects I see are long-term.

I notice you didn't ask what the effects are. You don't want to know. You have decided that meds are 100% safe and will not hear otherwise. So who is "ignorant"?

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s all go live on a commune then! That will take the stress out of our lives! No meds!

It's better than drugging our kids. Goodness me.

I'd really love to know how some of this drug-happy parents would react if their kid ended up on meth. The funny thing is that I think most of them would be horrified (as would I). And yet..... same thing, different place it comes from, and it's fine?

There's a major lack of critical thinking here.

It's not the same thing because my child's medication use is being closely monitored by two doctors (psych and ped) and by involved parents who make sure medication is dosed properly and teach complementary behavior modification as well. We teach him, at an age aproriate level, the benefits and risks of medication and the importance of using it properly. And he's getting it from a legal, licensed source so it's not cut with a bunch of random and dangerous crap.

Your blind faith in the pharmaceutical industry astounds me.

You know how 50 years ago people were sending their SN kids off to different institutions to be subjected to shock therapy and other things to 'help' them? Everyone used to do that. The government suggested it, supported it. And now, we know that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

I strongly believe that giving kids speed is going to be one of those thing that in 50 years people will look back at these primitive times and shake their heads at how clueless people were.

I agree with this.

How arrogant are we, to feel that our era has somehow gotten this right and that we are not repeating the mistakes of previous times, just with different names and labels?

I work with high school students. The effects of ADHD meds longterm are disturbing. I would never say these things in real life, though.

You work with high school students thus you can't possibly know the long-term effects - you have not seen these kids in elementary school while unmedicated/have not done longitudinal studies/ have not looked into between-group research. The only thing that you are doing right is keeping your ignorance to yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s all go live on a commune then! That will take the stress out of our lives! No meds!

It's better than drugging our kids. Goodness me.

I'd really love to know how some of this drug-happy parents would react if their kid ended up on meth. The funny thing is that I think most of them would be horrified (as would I). And yet..... same thing, different place it comes from, and it's fine?

There's a major lack of critical thinking here.

It's not the same thing because my child's medication use is being closely monitored by two doctors (psych and ped) and by involved parents who make sure medication is dosed properly and teach complementary behavior modification as well. We teach him, at an age aproriate level, the benefits and risks of medication and the importance of using it properly. And he's getting it from a legal, licensed source so it's not cut with a bunch of random and dangerous crap.

Your blind faith in the pharmaceutical industry astounds me.

You know how 50 years ago people were sending their SN kids off to different institutions to be subjected to shock therapy and other things to 'help' them? Everyone used to do that. The government suggested it, supported it. And now, we know that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

I strongly believe that giving kids speed is going to be one of those thing that in 50 years people will look back at these primitive times and shake their heads at how clueless people were.

I agree with this.

How arrogant are we, to feel that our era has somehow gotten this right and that we are not repeating the mistakes of previous times, just with different names and labels?

I work with high school students. The effects of ADHD meds longterm are disturbing. I would never say these things in real life, though.

Anonymous wrote:The judgment on this thread is really hard to take. My DC is 8 and just started ADHD meds, although not Adderal. Dc is two grade levels behind in some subjects. Can’t sit at the dinner table long enough to eat a meal. Doesn’t sleep well. We do various therapies three times a week, he does lots of physical activity on the weekends but with all the therapies it’s hard to do as much during the week. Because of his LDs and being so far behind private school isn’t an option and we couldn’t secure admission at any of the SN schools. What do I do? He knows he is different, can’t keep up with peers. Is starting to show signs of depression. We already do a specialized diet similar to Fiengold but with some differentiation because of other medical issues. I can’t move my child to a farm. He needs to be in a big city where he can see his medical specialists.

I’m talking about a child who cannot handle a second grade curriculum. I’m running pillar to post trying everything I can think of. Snark about parents who would rather have their kid pop a pill than do the hard work of parenting does nothing but make this struggle worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s all go live on a commune then! That will take the stress out of our lives! No meds!

It's better than drugging our kids. Goodness me.

I'd really love to know how some of this drug-happy parents would react if their kid ended up on meth. The funny thing is that I think most of them would be horrified (as would I). And yet..... same thing, different place it comes from, and it's fine?

There's a major lack of critical thinking here.

It's not the same thing because my child's medication use is being closely monitored by two doctors (psych and ped) and by involved parents who make sure medication is dosed properly and teach complementary behavior modification as well. We teach him, at an age aproriate level, the benefits and risks of medication and the importance of using it properly. And he's getting it from a legal, licensed source so it's not cut with a bunch of random and dangerous crap.

Your blind faith in the pharmaceutical industry astounds me.

You know how 50 years ago people were sending their SN kids off to different institutions to be subjected to shock therapy and other things to 'help' them? Everyone used to do that. The government suggested it, supported it. And now, we know that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

I strongly believe that giving kids speed is going to be one of those thing that in 50 years people will look back at these primitive times and shake their heads at how clueless people were.