Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:53     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love how many posters assume that because their child did not get in, that must be because affirmative action is letting in the masses. Do people not see how racist this is? Your child's spot is more likely to have been claimed by another high-performing white student or a high-performing minority student than some fictional underqualified person that MCPS would have just shooed in to close the achievement gap.

My daughter, who happens to be under-represented minority, got a 99%ile ranking in verbal and got into Eastern. Is she not equally deserving of a spot as anyone else? If your kid doesn't get into Harvard, are you going to blame "the minorities" or "the immigrants" -- or are you going to blame "the legacy admits" or "the rich admits"? Or just realize that, as frustrating as it is, there are way more qualified candidates for these opportunities than there are spots?


Excellent! That means that your DC deserves to be there. Good for her,

The issue is whether MCPS is accepting kids who are less qualified simply due to their race.

If they release the data and that is not the case, it will be fantastic news.


It may be worth interrogating why you think they DID accept less-qualified kids due to race. What is it that makes you think those 11 and 12 year-olds don't deserve admission?

DP.. I think it's just looking at the numbers.

1. URM statistically score lower than Asian/white counterparts
2. there is a much lower acceptance rate among the students in the higher Asian/white concentrated areas compared to years past
3. MCPS changed the way they look at students when determining acceptance
4. MCPS no longer provides the median test scores of accepted students (this is the case in CES, to my knowlege, not sure about MS magnet)

All of this makes it seems suspicious, and so parents would like more transparency in how MCPS is determining who gets accepted. Again, no one is saying that there aren't smart URM students in MCPS, but the stats show how the test scores lay out among the groups.

If one claims that test scores shouldn't be the only thing used for magnet acceptance, then it goes back to the "holistic" approach argument, which usually means affirmative action of some sort.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:47     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:

I notice you only gave one data point. Did she get 99%s in any of the other three categories as well?


Please stop, PP. It's unseemly, and it's shameful.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:45     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love how many posters assume that because their child did not get in, that must be because affirmative action is letting in the masses. Do people not see how racist this is? Your child's spot is more likely to have been claimed by another high-performing white student or a high-performing minority student than some fictional underqualified person that MCPS would have just shooed in to close the achievement gap.

My daughter, who happens to be under-represented minority, got a 99%ile ranking in verbal and got into Eastern. Is she not equally deserving of a spot as anyone else? If your kid doesn't get into Harvard, are you going to blame "the minorities" or "the immigrants" -- or are you going to blame "the legacy admits" or "the rich admits"? Or just realize that, as frustrating as it is, there are way more qualified candidates for these opportunities than there are spots?



I notice you only gave one data point. Did she get 99%s in any of the other three categories as well?
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:44     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:

Excellent! That means that your DC deserves to be there. Good for her,

The issue is whether MCPS is accepting kids who are less qualified simply due to their race.

If they release the data and that is not the case, it will be fantastic news.


No. There, I answered your question.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:43     Subject: Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hispanics and AA aren’t represented as highly because they are the lowest in all test scores across the board K-12th grade. Somehow that is the fault of Asians and White people.


Maryland Report Card has all the data online.

below is one data point.

NAEP | Mathematics Gr. 4 |
Below Basic % Basic % Proficient % Advanced %

All Students - MD 21 39 32 8
White 8 36 44 12
Black 37 42 19 2
Hispanic 29 46 22 3
Asian/Pacific Islander 9 23 44 24

Reading Gr. 4 |

All Students - MD 32 33 27 8
White 19 30 36 15
Black 48 34 16 2
Hispanic 46 33 18 3
Asian/Pacific Islander 18 25 41 16


Mathematics Gr. 8 |

All Students - MD 29 36 25 10
White 17 34 34 15
Black 48 38 12 2
Hispanic 36 40 22 2
Asian/Pacific Islander 10 22 36 32


Reading Gr. 8 |

All Students - MD 25 42 30 3
White 13 37 42 8
Black 40 41 18 1
Hispanic 31 42 25 2
Asian/Pacific Islander 7 29 48 16



and the Choice Study concluded that the under/over representation of different groups was due to unfair selection? Wonder what kind of selection will result in proportional representation of all races.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:43     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love how many posters assume that because their child did not get in, that must be because affirmative action is letting in the masses. Do people not see how racist this is? Your child's spot is more likely to have been claimed by another high-performing white student or a high-performing minority student than some fictional underqualified person that MCPS would have just shooed in to close the achievement gap.

My daughter, who happens to be under-represented minority, got a 99%ile ranking in verbal and got into Eastern. Is she not equally deserving of a spot as anyone else? If your kid doesn't get into Harvard, are you going to blame "the minorities" or "the immigrants" -- or are you going to blame "the legacy admits" or "the rich admits"? Or just realize that, as frustrating as it is, there are way more qualified candidates for these opportunities than there are spots?


Excellent! That means that your DC deserves to be there. Good for her,

The issue is whether MCPS is accepting kids who are less qualified simply due to their race.

If they release the data and that is not the case, it will be fantastic news.


It may be worth interrogating why you think they DID accept less-qualified kids due to race. What is it that makes you think those 11 and 12 year-olds don't deserve admission?
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:37     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:I love how many posters assume that because their child did not get in, that must be because affirmative action is letting in the masses. Do people not see how racist this is? Your child's spot is more likely to have been claimed by another high-performing white student or a high-performing minority student than some fictional underqualified person that MCPS would have just shooed in to close the achievement gap.

My daughter, who happens to be under-represented minority, got a 99%ile ranking in verbal and got into Eastern. Is she not equally deserving of a spot as anyone else? If your kid doesn't get into Harvard, are you going to blame "the minorities" or "the immigrants" -- or are you going to blame "the legacy admits" or "the rich admits"? Or just realize that, as frustrating as it is, there are way more qualified candidates for these opportunities than there are spots?


Excellent! That means that your DC deserves to be there. Good for her,

The issue is whether MCPS is accepting kids who are less qualified simply due to their race.

If they release the data and that is not the case, it will be fantastic news.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:27     Subject: Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:Hispanics and AA aren’t represented as highly because they are the lowest in all test scores across the board K-12th grade. Somehow that is the fault of Asians and White people.


Well, I'm going to follow the PP's example and say here.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:26     Subject: Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:Hispanics and AA aren’t represented as highly because they are the lowest in all test scores across the board K-12th grade. Somehow that is the fault of Asians and White people.


Maryland Report Card has all the data online.

below is one data point.

NAEP | Mathematics Gr. 4 |
Below Basic % Basic % Proficient % Advanced %

All Students - MD 21 39 32 8
White 8 36 44 12
Black 37 42 19 2
Hispanic 29 46 22 3
Asian/Pacific Islander 9 23 44 24

Reading Gr. 4 |

All Students - MD 32 33 27 8
White 19 30 36 15
Black 48 34 16 2
Hispanic 46 33 18 3
Asian/Pacific Islander 18 25 41 16


Mathematics Gr. 8 |

All Students - MD 29 36 25 10
White 17 34 34 15
Black 48 38 12 2
Hispanic 36 40 22 2
Asian/Pacific Islander 10 22 36 32


Reading Gr. 8 |

All Students - MD 25 42 30 3
White 13 37 42 8
Black 40 41 18 1
Hispanic 31 42 25 2
Asian/Pacific Islander 7 29 48 16


Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:24     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love how many posters assume that because their child did not get in, that must be because affirmative action is letting in the masses. Do people not see how racist this is? Your child's spot is more likely to have been claimed by another high-performing white student or a high-performing minority student than some fictional underqualified person that MCPS would have just shooed in to close the achievement gap.

My daughter, who happens to be under-represented minority, got a 99%ile ranking in verbal and got into Eastern. Is she not equally deserving of a spot as anyone else? If your kid doesn't get into Harvard, are you going to blame "the minorities" or "the immigrants" -- or are you going to blame "the legacy admits" or "the rich admits"? Or just realize that, as frustrating as it is, there are way more qualified candidates for these opportunities than there are spots?



Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:18     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:I love how many posters assume that because their child did not get in, that must be because affirmative action is letting in the masses. Do people not see how racist this is? Your child's spot is more likely to have been claimed by another high-performing white student or a high-performing minority student than some fictional underqualified person that MCPS would have just shooed in to close the achievement gap.

My daughter, who happens to be under-represented minority, got a 99%ile ranking in verbal and got into Eastern. Is she not equally deserving of a spot as anyone else? If your kid doesn't get into Harvard, are you going to blame "the minorities" or "the immigrants" -- or are you going to blame "the legacy admits" or "the rich admits"? Or just realize that, as frustrating as it is, there are way more qualified candidates for these opportunities than there are spots?


Congratulations to your daughter!
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 14:01     Subject: Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Hispanics and AA aren’t represented as highly because they are the lowest in all test scores across the board K-12th grade. Somehow that is the fault of Asians and White people.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 13:57     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:I love how many posters assume that because their child did not get in, that must be because affirmative action is letting in the masses. Do people not see how racist this is? Your child's spot is more likely to have been claimed by another high-performing white student or a high-performing minority student than some fictional underqualified person that MCPS would have just shooed in to close the achievement gap.

My daughter, who happens to be under-represented minority, got a 99%ile ranking in verbal and got into Eastern. Is she not equally deserving of a spot as anyone else? If your kid doesn't get into Harvard, are you going to blame "the minorities" or "the immigrants" -- or are you going to blame "the legacy admits" or "the rich admits"? Or just realize that, as frustrating as it is, there are way more qualified candidates for these opportunities than there are spots?

It is absolutely wrong to assume that an individual URM candidate scored lower than others, but, as a whole, stats don't lie. Across the board, URM score lower than their Asian American and white counterparts. That is why colleges use "holistic" approaches (look at the history of how this came to be), and why URM groups don't need to score as high to get into those top colleges.

No one said a candidate of any background who scored a 99% didn't deserve to get into the magnet program. People are saying that other students who may have scored just as high as your DC didn't get in. The question is - why? Why did one candidate who scored 99% get in and the other one not get in? Yes, obviously, there is not enough room for everyone but the question remains - how are they determining who gets in?

No dog in this fight. My former HGC DC decided not to apply to MS magnet.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 13:51     Subject: Re:Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
I love how many posters assume that because their child did not get in, that must be because affirmative action is letting in the masses. Do people not see how racist this is? Your child's spot is more likely to have been claimed by another high-performing white student or a high-performing minority student than some fictional underqualified person that MCPS would have just shooed in to close the achievement gap.

My daughter, who happens to be under-represented minority, got a 99%ile ranking in verbal and got into Eastern. Is she not equally deserving of a spot as anyone else? If your kid doesn't get into Harvard, are you going to blame "the minorities" or "the immigrants" -- or are you going to blame "the legacy admits" or "the rich admits"? Or just realize that, as frustrating as it is, there are way more qualified candidates for these opportunities than there are spots?
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2018 13:35     Subject: Is Cold Spring HGC the only HGC targeted by MCPS for denying entrance to MS magnet programs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How are black and Latino kids being denied access?


Read the darn Metis report. (Your taxes paid for it, the least you can do is try to get your money's worth out of it.) You can do a search on "barriers to access", if you don't want to read the whole thing.

Here's a great example of the type of reasoning contained in the Metis report:

"Data on applications and acceptances to elementary centers and secondary magnet and application programs show that Hispanic/Latino, Black/African American, Limited English Proficient (LEP), special education, and low-income students are less likely than White, Asian, and higher income students to be selected and enroll in these programs[u]. [u]As a result, Hispanic/Latino, Black/African American, LEP, special education, and low-income students are underrepresented in academically selective programs when compared with districtwide enrollment data."

Seriously, just apply some simple logical reasoning to the quoted text. They argue in the first sentence that data on applications and acceptances shows that certain groups are less likely to be selected and enroll. As a result, these groups are underrepresented.

So the reason for the underrepresentation of these groups in the program is that... wait for it... data shows these groups are selected and enroll less. Circular reasoning at its best.


The underlying assumption which is assumed common sense is that group normals would be the same if without social discrimination. And this theory only applies when it comes to mental power.