Informative news report on this issue

http://wjla.com/features/7-on-your-side/are-your-kids-juuling-at-school-7-on-your-side-investigates

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Anonymous wrote:There's a whole group doing it at my child's very expensive private school, in the MS. I've been talking to them about staying away from the kids involved with it. This is bigger than I realized. The head is aware as i spoke with them about it recently. I'm worried about high school being worse.

What school and or grade? I have not seen this in middle school or heard about it in middle school at our all boys school. I may be naïve but I cannot see kids in middle school doing this.

As far as I know there are only three all boys high schools that have a middle school too- St Albans, Landon and St Anslems. I know boys in middle school at St Albans and Landon are vaping/juling - because I have a DD that age and she knows boys at both schools who do. It was happening at dances she attended. I do not know about St Anselm's.

I was one of the posters saying I cannot believe this because my son does not tell on other kids. However, now that I’m thinking about it I could imagine three or four boys in seventh grade at one of the schools you mentioned doing this. It’s the same three or four that I repeatedly hear are involved in negative situations.

Well, PP, there are at least 3 or 4 boys doing it at both of the schools I mentioned.

What grade? I’m still having a hard time wrapping my head around this.

A few in 7th, more in 8th, and tons in high school. And to PP above yes, my kid knows these kids. Has known them her whole life. She can name who is vaping at dances. Its not a secret from anyone but those with clueless or uninvolved parents. Kids talk you just have to listen.

Have not heard of this in 7th at STA.

Its there.

This is very surprising as I am not aware of this! Aside from one group of boys that NUMEROUS parents have complained about as being at the center of a lot of trouble and meanness, most of the grade is made up of really really nice kids. It gets frustrating after a while hearing issues about the same 3-4 kids.

Every private school I know of is scrambling to adapt to the new reality of vaping/juuling, both for ingesting tobacco and THC. Here's an article: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/11/15/where-teenagers-are-high-school-bathrooms-vaping/IJ6xYWWlOTKqsUGTTlw4UO/story.html

I think that in-class use is rare (small class sizes and why take the risk with a lot of freedom to go to a bathroom or other places tucked around campus) but vaping/juuling during the day IS quite common.

Schools can't stop this alone -- parents should talk to their kids about the issues as a start (no kid is only vaping/juuling during school hours) and try to have a frank conversation and explain the risk factors.

Maybe if the in-class offenders suffered a penalty to their grade (for participation, not being on task), that could work.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why parents think that they would be informed about every instance of vaping, or that their kids would without question know about it when it does happen. The point of the very small devices that look like something else is that they are very hard to detect. Your kid may be in a small class, but that doesn’t mean that classmates can’t get away with it undetected. A teacher has to teach, and students have work to focus on. It’s unlikely that they spend the entirety of class looking around the room like something out of a whodunnit.

So really, if some kids are getting away with this undetected, why wring your hands over it? It’s not like they’re doing angel dust and at risk of going on a pencil stabbing spree.

It is a distraction and if it is true that you say kids are doing it, it creates a negative environment. So much wrong with doing this at school and not what we are paying $40K plus for. I am not blaming the schools if they are not aware but I am not going to just say it is okay to inhale illegal substances at school during the day. Sorry not just shrugging it off as being normal.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why parents think that they would be informed about every instance of vaping, or that their kids would without question know about it when it does happen. The point of the very small devices that look like something else is that they are very hard to detect. Your kid may be in a small class, but that doesn’t mean that classmates can’t get away with it undetected. A teacher has to teach, and students have work to focus on. It’s unlikely that they spend the entirety of class looking around the room like something out of a whodunnit.

So really, if some kids are getting away with this undetected, why wring your hands over it? It’s not like they’re doing angel dust and at risk of going on a pencil stabbing spree.

Isn’t it illegal for starters?

Well sure, but if you are sure that your kid isn’t doing it and the kids who are doing it are so sneaky that your kid doesn’t even see it why worry so much about it? It seems like some people are overly worried about school reputation. The suggestion that some nefarious activity could be happening at their child’s school is what they object to, rather than the possibility that it could be affecting their kid.

That is odd. I don't want any students at a school we are at doing anything illegal while at school. Just because my kid is not aware of it doesn't mean others are not and it taints the environment. If you can't understand that that is very odd to me.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why parents think that they would be informed about every instance of vaping, or that their kids would without question know about it when it does happen. The point of the very small devices that look like something else is that they are very hard to detect. Your kid may be in a small class, but that doesn’t mean that classmates can’t get away with it undetected. A teacher has to teach, and students have work to focus on. It’s unlikely that they spend the entirety of class looking around the room like something out of a whodunnit.

So really, if some kids are getting away with this undetected, why wring your hands over it? It’s not like they’re doing angel dust and at risk of going on a pencil stabbing spree.

Isn’t it illegal for starters?

Well sure, but if you are sure that your kid isn’t doing it and the kids who are doing it are so sneaky that your kid doesn’t even see it why worry so much about it? It seems like some people are overly worried about school reputation. The suggestion that some nefarious activity could be happening at their child’s school is what they object to, rather than the possibility that it could be affecting their kid.

Anonymous wrote:It's illegal for under 18s to buy. I believe pediatricians recommend raising the legal purchase age to 21.

Is it illegal to vape it or whatever you call it if under 18?

It's illegal for under 18s to buy. I believe pediatricians recommend raising the legal purchase age to 21.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why parents think that they would be informed about every instance of vaping, or that their kids would without question know about it when it does happen. The point of the very small devices that look like something else is that they are very hard to detect. Your kid may be in a small class, but that doesn’t mean that classmates can’t get away with it undetected. A teacher has to teach, and students have work to focus on. It’s unlikely that they spend the entirety of class looking around the room like something out of a whodunnit.

So really, if some kids are getting away with this undetected, why wring your hands over it? It’s not like they’re doing angel dust and at risk of going on a pencil stabbing spree.

Isn’t it illegal for starters?

I don’t understand why parents think that they would be informed about every instance of vaping, or that their kids would without question know about it when it does happen. The point of the very small devices that look like something else is that they are very hard to detect. Your kid may be in a small class, but that doesn’t mean that classmates can’t get away with it undetected. A teacher has to teach, and students have work to focus on. It’s unlikely that they spend the entirety of class looking around the room like something out of a whodunnit.

So really, if some kids are getting away with this undetected, why wring your hands over it? It’s not like they’re doing angel dust and at risk of going on a pencil stabbing spree.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a whole group doing it at my child's very expensive private school, in the MS. I've been talking to them about staying away from the kids involved with it. This is bigger than I realized. The head is aware as i spoke with them about it recently. I'm worried about high school being worse.

What school and or grade? I have not seen this in middle school or heard about it in middle school at our all boys school. I may be naïve but I cannot see kids in middle school doing this.

As far as I know there are only three all boys high schools that have a middle school too- St Albans, Landon and St Anslems. I know boys in middle school at St Albans and Landon are vaping/juling - because I have a DD that age and she knows boys at both schools who do. It was happening at dances she attended. I do not know about St Anselm's.

I was one of the posters saying I cannot believe this because my son does not tell on other kids. However, now that I’m thinking about it I could imagine three or four boys in seventh grade at one of the schools you mentioned doing this. It’s the same three or four that I repeatedly hear are involved in negative situations.

Well, PP, there are at least 3 or 4 boys doing it at both of the schools I mentioned.

What grade? I’m still having a hard time wrapping my head around this.

A few in 7th, more in 8th, and tons in high school. And to PP above yes, my kid knows these kids. Has known them her whole life. She can name who is vaping at dances. Its not a secret from anyone but those with clueless or uninvolved parents. Kids talk you just have to listen.

Have not heard of this in 7th at STA.

Its there.

This is very troubling if this is true. I have not heard about it in STA 7th so I am not convinced it is there. Disappointing if it is true because most of the grade is pretty nice. There is a group of boys that in addition to not being very kind to their classmates also seem to be on a much faster track (which I won’t elaborate about on here) but still I had no idea that substance abuse was even part of that.

Worrisome

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Anonymous wrote:Look, private or public, there are kids as young as 7th grade in private/6th in public doing this. It is pretty rampant by grades 9-10 despite what your kids are telling you. I hate to break it to private school parents, but your kids aren't immune from these things. All kids with a smart phone know so much more than you can even imagine. And those who don't have one yet, hear/see about on their friend's phones. Also any kids with older sibs/cousins know about it. They also know about pot and drinking and many of them have at minimum tried it. Our high schooler switched from public to private this year and based on discussions, the private school kids lag about a year behind public so from our family's experiences, plenty of 8/9 graders have already vaped and have moved onto drinking and pot.

Are you even at a private school or do you just come on the private school thread to try to stir up angst for parents? If you’re not at a private school then you should not be speaking on behalf of them.

Furthermore, all privates are not the same. Some are very large and are almost as large as the regular public school where it’s much easier to get away with this sort of thing. Other privates are very small and you can have only 10-15 kids in a class and you have teachers literally monitoring the bathrooms and there’s no way they can do this during the day. If you’re not in one of those schools you just don’t understand how hard it would be to get away with this.

Yes and not trying to stir this up. Just relaying our experience this year - it exploded last last school year in public and definitely in private this year. We are at small private ($40K) this year and it's going on at the small private in bathrooms/parties and kids doing it away from school (home, out and about) - not in class from what I understand but definitely done in larger public school classes. The private school is aware, not sure for how long but is taking some steps.

Honestly, I just can't believe the naivete/denial of some parents here about this topic and I see a few other posters who've stated the same. The defensiveness here is quite interesting. There are now several threads here on DCUM about parents suspecting their kids of it. Of course your kid may not be doing it but they certainly know about it, and it doesn't mean it's not an issue with many kids at all types of schools in this region. It's reprehensible that tobacco companies have found/started this market and are getting such young teens hooked on nicotine - their brains are wired for it at this age. Whether you believe it's an issue at your kid's school or not, don't you think it should be a topic of discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:Look, private or public, there are kids as young as 7th grade in private/6th in public doing this. It is pretty rampant by grades 9-10 despite what your kids are telling you. I hate to break it to private school parents, but your kids aren't immune from these things. All kids with a smart phone know so much more than you can even imagine. And those who don't have one yet, hear/see about on their friend's phones. Also any kids with older sibs/cousins know about it. They also know about pot and drinking and many of them have at minimum tried it. Our high schooler switched from public to private this year and based on discussions, the private school kids lag about a year behind public so from our family's experiences, plenty of 8/9 graders have already vaped and have moved onto drinking and pot.

Are you even at a private school or do you just come on the private school thread to try to stir up angst for parents? If you’re not at a private school then you should not be speaking on behalf of them.

Furthermore, all privates are not the same. Some are very large and are almost as large as the regular public school where it’s much easier to get away with this sort of thing. Other privates are very small and you can have only 10-15 kids in a class and you have teachers literally monitoring the bathrooms and there’s no way they can do this during the day. If you’re not in one of those schools you just don’t understand how hard it would be to get away with this.