Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 21:11     Subject: Re:CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All COGAT subsections are viewed equally

Thanks. Do you also happen to know why the CogAT has more weight?


They weigh NNAT equally to the cogat! This is a fact. Lots of kids score higher on the cogat, though. It’s easier to prep for and the county knows this. But the aap selection cmte weighs them equally. Gbrs is the last piece they look at because it’s too subjective, so it’s weighted differently. A high cogat and a low nnat is a red flag! Be prepared to appeal with a strong WISC if you have only one high score on the nnat or cogat. Best candidates have high nnat and cogat.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 21:03     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:anybody in 22101 received scores yet????


Nope....still waiting
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 20:27     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree. It is the best predictor of academic achievement- not IQ.


I know the Cogat is not an IQ test, but I thought it was supposed to generally approximate one. Are you saying it in no way approximates an IQ test?


I believe the correlation is .76
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 20:17     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree. It is the best predictor of academic achievement- not IQ.


I know the Cogat is not an IQ test, but I thought it was supposed to generally approximate one. Are you saying it in no way approximates an IQ test?

19:38 PP here. For my kid, cogat composite approximates wisc fsiq really well. Cogat Quant and Wisc FRI were about the same. Cogat nonverbal and Wisc VSI were also about the same. Achievement tests seem pretty consistent with all of these scores too. Wisc VCI and language arts achievement are consistent. Cogat verbal seems to have little correlation to any of the IQ or achievement in language arts.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 20:13     Subject: Re:CogAT/Pool letter arrived
My twins: which one has a more chance or which one do I need to think about the appeals?

DS: NNAT 128 COGAT 135
DD: NNAT 138 COGAT 134
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 20:12     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:Agree. It is the best predictor of academic achievement- not IQ.


I know the Cogat is not an IQ test, but I thought it was supposed to generally approximate one. Are you saying it in no way approximates an IQ test?
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 20:07     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:Agree. It is the best predictor of academic achievement- not IQ.

Moreso than actual academic achievement tests?
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 20:05     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Agree. It is the best predictor of academic achievement- not IQ.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 19:57     Subject: Re:CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Sure, but WISC VCI should be very similar to CogAT verbal. When all signs except CogAT verbal point to a child being well above average in language arts abilities, I tend to believe those over the CogAT verbal.


WISC and CogAT verbal are very different tests and not directly comparable.


What exactly does CogAT verbal measure then, and why is it given any credence? If it doesn't correlate strongly with actual verbal IQ (WISC VCI), and likewise doesn't correlate strongly with language arts achievement (iready, DRA), then how is it even relevant for AAP? I would hope the committee overlooks my kid's barely above average CogAT verbal in favor of his WISC VCI in the 120s and his above grade level achievement tests. At least the quantitative and nonverbal CogAT scores were very consistent with the IQ and achievement testing for my kid.


Group tests like the CogAT are screeners only. It is a measure of a student's potential to succeed in school-related tasks. It should not be confused as a measure for intelligence. The WISC is the gold standard for measuring intelligence. The CogAT is not as reliable as the WISC.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 19:44     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:22030 and no cogat scores yet

22030 also, and both the cogat scores and in-pool letter were sent home yesterday for my child.


We got pool letter last week in school folder. No cogat score letter though. Weekly school newsletter via email says they will mail them this week. Maybe the scores will come next week.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 19:39     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:22030 and no cogat scores yet

22030 also, and both the cogat scores and in-pool letter were sent home yesterday for my child.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 19:38     Subject: Re:CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Sure, but WISC VCI should be very similar to CogAT verbal. When all signs except CogAT verbal point to a child being well above average in language arts abilities, I tend to believe those over the CogAT verbal.


WISC and CogAT verbal are very different tests and not directly comparable.


What exactly does CogAT verbal measure then, and why is it given any credence? If it doesn't correlate strongly with actual verbal IQ (WISC VCI), and likewise doesn't correlate strongly with language arts achievement (iready, DRA), then how is it even relevant for AAP? I would hope the committee overlooks my kid's barely above average CogAT verbal in favor of his WISC VCI in the 120s and his above grade level achievement tests. At least the quantitative and nonverbal CogAT scores were very consistent with the IQ and achievement testing for my kid.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 19:35     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
Anonymous wrote:22182 and nothing yet.


Same here, 22182, nothing
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 19:34     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
22030 and no cogat scores yet
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 19:32     Subject: CogAT/Pool letter arrived
22030 and no cogat scores yet