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Anonymous wrote:If the oversight is merely quality academics, then there wouldn't be a problem.

For a lot of private voucher schools, academic standards are certainly a problem. The National Center for Education Statistics indicates that conservative Christian schools do not get better tet scores than public schools. Secular organizations won't set up schools, because they know that no one can actually provide a decent education on what a voucher pays. Church schools get further subsidies, and a lot of them still can't do it.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/quality-controls-lacking-for-dc-schools-accepting-federal-vouchers/2012/11/17/062bf97a-1e0d-11e2-b647-bb1668e64058_story.html?utm_term=.0b4ae87b18ab

Would the education be in a safe environment? If there's safety and discipline, one can actually learn. In my EotP school, there's neither so not much learning going on, no matter how much money DCPS throws at it. PP, you sound more like someone who lives WotP and doesn't have a clue on how the other half or majority lives. I'll take the voucher, thank you very much.

Anonymous wrote:If the oversight is merely quality academics, then there wouldn't be a problem.

For a lot of private voucher schools, academic standards are certainly a problem. The National Center for Education Statistics indicates that conservative Christian schools do not get better tet scores than public schools. Secular organizations won't set up schools, because they know that no one can actually provide a decent education on what a voucher pays. Church schools get further subsidies, and a lot of them still can't do it.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/quality-controls-lacking-for-dc-schools-accepting-federal-vouchers/2012/11/17/062bf97a-1e0d-11e2-b647-bb1668e64058_story.html?utm_term=.0b4ae87b18ab

Core curriculum and standardized testing.

Anonymous wrote:If the oversight is merely quality academics, then there wouldn't be a problem.

How would you measure or ensure a “quality” education?

Curriculum? Teacher training or certification? Student achievement? Student growth?

If the oversight is merely quality academics, then there wouldn't be a problem.

The whole point of vouchers is to eliminate oversight. If the vouchers came with strings the privates won’t take them.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids who get vouchers will also get financial aid — if they go to a good school.

But there are also some really crappy private schools that have popped up — and their tuition rates are exactly the amount of the vouchers.

Since there is no oversight on quality of the education provided via a DC voucher, all sorts of actors have swept into the market. And some are pretty bad.

The students in public charters focused on at-risk kids have better outcomes than the students going to school on vouchers. The Post wrote a study on a study of this last year.

What!!?? I didnt even know school vouchers were a thing here. Why doesn't some nonprofit try to run a high quality lean ship that can do this too??? (Tuition as exact same rate as voucher)

Because you can't actually run a high quality school on a budget that is half that of a public school.

Wrong again. Parochials do a fine job with the current voucher amount. A non-profit could likely do the same.

Parochial schools have additional funding beyond the vouchers--diocesan and parish funds/infrastructure/overhead and donations come to mind.

Increase the voucher by $2k and promote secular non-profit profits with oversight to add to parochials. Give kids a shot at succeeding if they want it.

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Anonymous wrote:EOTP means east of the Potomac, right? As in the river? Isn’t everything east of the river except Virginia and Maryland?

No. EOTP means 'east of the Park' -- as in Rock Creek park. Essentially 16th Street is the dividing line.

And EOTR means east of the Anacostia.

Thank you for the clarification.

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Anonymous wrote:EOTP means east of the Potomac, right? As in the river? Isn’t everything east of the river except Virginia and Maryland?

No. EOTP means 'east of the Park' -- as in Rock Creek park. Essentially 16th Street is the dividing line.

That makes sense. Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:EOTP means east of the Potomac, right? As in the river? Isn’t everything east of the river except Virginia and Maryland?

No. EOTP means 'east of the Park' -- as in Rock Creek park. Essentially 16th Street is the dividing line.

And EOTR means east of the Anacostia.

Anonymous wrote:EOTP means east of the Potomac, right? As in the river? Isn’t everything east of the river except Virginia and Maryland?

No. EOTP means 'east of the Park' -- as in Rock Creek park. Essentially 16th Street is the dividing line.

EOTP means east of the Potomac, right? As in the river? Isn’t everything east of the river except Virginia and Maryland?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kids who get vouchers will also get financial aid — if they go to a good school.

But there are also some really crappy private schools that have popped up — and their tuition rates are exactly the amount of the vouchers.

Since there is no oversight on quality of the education provided via a DC voucher, all sorts of actors have swept into the market. And some are pretty bad.

The students in public charters focused on at-risk kids have better outcomes than the students going to school on vouchers. The Post wrote a study on a study of this last year.

What!!?? I didnt even know school vouchers were a thing here. Why doesn't some nonprofit try to run a high quality lean ship that can do this too??? (Tuition as exact same rate as voucher)

Because you can't actually run a high quality school on a budget that is half that of a public school.

Wrong again. Parochials do a fine job with the current voucher amount. A non-profit could likely do the same.

Parochial schools have additional funding beyond the vouchers--diocesan and parish funds/infrastructure/overhead and donations come to mind.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Seems like this forum has seen a lot of visits from the ghost of DCPS past. Gimme the voucher or Wilson or we’re all moving to NoVa or St Albans while dumping on EOTP schools and telling black kids to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Or maybe somebody’s just bored at Mar a Lago.[/quote]

Seriously. It's really disheartening to read this thread as a black parent. Not surprising, but disheartening. I'm glad to see not everyone here thinks like this.

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Another black parent here, disappointed too but not surprised. I feel most white parents aren’t comfortable with their children being one or few white children beyond early childhood classes. Despite a diversity push, this area and its schools are very segregated. What is a safe racial balance for everyone to be happy, safe and adequately educated?[/quote]

Well I am bucking the trend and moving my 4th grader from private to our EotP elementary. We are looking forward to it![/quote]

I don’t care about racial diversity but I do care about SES mixing. I am not onboard with thinking it is a basic value add to middle and upper class kids. Just as I no more mix with the janitorial or mail room staff what do my kids gain from having a surge of kids looking for handouts populate their school? Truth is poverty is contagious and I would hate for my kids to pick up habits, vernacular or standards from kids with lower expectations out of life. The top is already hard enough.

I get why putting poor kids in a rich school helps them just as dropping a homeless person in a rich restaurant will most often result in them getting a good meal, a little bit of rich guilt placation and general push back out the door. Thing is there are way too many poor people to feed and if it becomes a habit the rich will stop coming. There simply has to be havens for higher SES kids be they public and private. If one gets brkoen up another will emerge because the best part of being rich is options.



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Poverty is not contagious. I can't even parse the kind of insecure upbringing you must have had

Also, most parochials are subsidized by the church/parish. And what about the families who don’t want religion taught at school?