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I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

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I am a progressive and an immigrant and I support this bill. We should have a merit based immigration system.. get the best and brightest from the world.

Most non-native Americans would not be here today if this bill was in place when their ancestors came over.

This is a complete rejection of American ideals that have stood for several centuries.

The bosom of America is open to receive not only the opulent & respectable Stranger, but the oppressed & persecuted of all Nations & Religions; whom we shall wellcome to a participation of all our rights & previleges, if by decency & propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment. -- George Washington, 1783

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-12127

So perhaps it's time for America to evolve from the refuge of the convicts and the infectiously diseased to the place of genuinely valuable, productive people. You've made a great country with hardscrabble people; imagine how much better America would have been if immigration was always merit based.

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I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

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I am a progressive and an immigrant and I support this bill. We should have a merit based immigration system.. get the best and brightest from the world.

Most non-native Americans would not be here today if this bill was in place when their ancestors came over.

This is a complete rejection of American ideals that have stood for several centuries.

The bosom of America is open to receive not only the opulent & respectable Stranger, but the oppressed & persecuted of all Nations & Religions; whom we shall wellcome to a participation of all our rights & previleges, if by decency & propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment. -- George Washington, 1783

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-12127

I'm a long-time non-immigrant worker and I would support this bill. The current system, apart from family ties, is arbitrary and illogical. It would be so much better to have a system with an objective grading matrix where each applicant gets X points for certain things like graduate degrees, English fluency, solvency, childbearing age etc., and it's crystal clear what you have to have/achieve to immigrate here. The current employment-based immigration system depends on arbitrary factors like whether your employer is willing to sponsor you. This has nothing to do with how productive you will be as a new permanent resident.

And while it may be politically incorrect to say this, but it's never been quite clear to me why an illiterate, illegal, non-English speaking roustabout finds a sympathetic audience, a network of support, and a set of political forces lobbying on his behalf, while someone like me, with multiple graduate degrees, two houses and money in the bank does not. Does America want to be a refuge of the last resort?
Or a beacon for the best, brightest, and most productive? Objectively, someone like me will be much more useful to the U.S. than not. Objectively, my high salary and real estate taxes have already benefited this country. Yet there is no provision for people like me to stay here unless you beg someone for an employer-sponsored green card. It defies logic when you think about the kind of immigrants the U.S. welcomes vs. not.

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Do not talk what you have no clue about. That tells badly about your intelligence and maybe you deserve to be deported replaced by some smart immigrant.

The immigration policy provides options for parents and siblings of US permanent residents or citizens to immigrate not uncle or uncle's uncle. You need to be permanent resident or citizen to even apply for them NOT just a mere visa holder.

Riiight. Except that a person brings a sibling who brings a spouse who brings a sibling so pretty quickly we have uncles uncle.

The annual quota is fixed. The number of immigrants we allow is a simple function of the quota the government sets. It takes years to go through the process. Your uncle's uncle will most likely die before he can complete the process. There is a long line and a fixed number of slots given each year.

As to who is allowed to come is a totally different question from the number of immigrants we are going to get. I don't think Miller understands the distinction.

didn't watch miller my point by was that currently we in fact to give preference to uncles uncle compared to a random foreign phd, say.

Uncles do not qualify for any immigration benefit.

yes but brothers and fathers do. somehow you have difficulty grasping that it's not families but clans that are coming to the US. culturally backward people tend to be more clannish.

Brothers have ridiculoulsy long waits. As much as 25 years. Only U.S. Citizens can bring fathers (or brothers) for that matter. I think you have no clue how immigration actually works. Clans have no way to immigrate at all. You are just making that shit up.

The big problem here is cutting legal immigrants by 50%. We need legal immigrants.

you seem dumb. hopefully this bill passes (unlikely) sonyiu get some much needed iq point infusion.

if I bring my two brothers and they bring their wives who bring their parents, that's a clan.

It will take you 20+ years to bring your brothers here. Their wives will be able to come but their parents will have to wait 5+ years on top of that to become sponsorable. Chances are, they will be six feet under by the time their turn comes.

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Do not talk what you have no clue about. That tells badly about your intelligence and maybe you deserve to be deported replaced by some smart immigrant.

The immigration policy provides options for parents and siblings of US permanent residents or citizens to immigrate not uncle or uncle's uncle. You need to be permanent resident or citizen to even apply for them NOT just a mere visa holder.

Riiight. Except that a person brings a sibling who brings a spouse who brings a sibling so pretty quickly we have uncles uncle.

You can't "bring" a sibling. Processing times for adult siblings are 20+ years long. Adult children take 10+ years long to get sponsored. Even spouses of green card holders have to wait around 3 years.

Anonymous wrote:My family and I came from Russia in 1994. Neither of my parents had money or education and spoke very little English. I was in grade school and my brother and I started school without knowing a word of English. We stayed in a two bedroom apartment with another Russian family. I remember being hungry a lot. Both of my parents worked two jobs - sometimes dropping my brother and I off at the library because they couldn't afford a sitter.

My father now own a company that employs 12 Americans and gives them benefits. My mother is a preschool teacher. I am a pediatrician and my brother is in medical school now.

We are the family this bill would turn away.

With all due respect to what your family has accomplished, why should a family like yours be given preference over a family of two educated parents who spoke fluent English and whose children never had to go hungry or without sitters?

I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

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I am a progressive and an immigrant and I support this bill. We should have a merit based immigration system.. get the best and brightest from the world.

My ancestors came over 100 years ago and were all uneducated, low-skilled workers who couldn't speak English.

I have a Ph.D. and earn 6 figures. One sibling with a Ph.D. in the sciences who is working on cancer research. Another sibling with a JD who does a ton of pro bono work.

Our family is the embodiment of the American success story.

Have conservatives give up on this narrative? Have they given up on the notion of American exceptionalism?

Fellow dems are forgetting what was said only a month ago in the Atlantic -

I can't link but it literally was from last month -

"How the Democrats Lost Their Way on Immigration"

Dems are going to get hammered politically on this issue

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Forever. Those yearning to be free should be welcome not just those who can make the most cash

So then, I should be welcomed with open arms in Italy, because I've always wanted to live there. Right?

If you marry an Italian, by all means. We are not taking in just anybody in the United States. No country does. Legally immigrating to this country is a lot harder than you think.

Way easier than Switzerland

There is a thread in the dc local politics forum about public restroom cleanliness.

This thread here has a lot to do with that thread.

Sit and think why Japanese bathroom are super clean.

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Forever. Those yearning to be free should be welcome not just those who can make the most cash

So then, I should be welcomed with open arms in Italy, because I've always wanted to live there. Right?

If you marry an Italian, by all means. We are not taking in just anybody in the United States. No country does. Legally immigrating to this country is a lot harder than you think.

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Forever. Those yearning to be free should be welcome not just those who can make the most cash

So then, I should be welcomed with open arms in Italy, because I've always wanted to live there. Right?

Are you saying America is not exceptional?

No it is not

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Do not talk what you have no clue about. That tells badly about your intelligence and maybe you deserve to be deported replaced by some smart immigrant.

The immigration policy provides options for parents and siblings of US permanent residents or citizens to immigrate not uncle or uncle's uncle. You need to be permanent resident or citizen to even apply for them NOT just a mere visa holder.

Riiight. Except that a person brings a sibling who brings a spouse who brings a sibling so pretty quickly we have uncles uncle.

The annual quota is fixed. The number of immigrants we allow is a simple function of the quota the government sets. It takes years to go through the process. Your uncle's uncle will most likely die before he can complete the process. There is a long line and a fixed number of slots given each year.

As to who is allowed to come is a totally different question from the number of immigrants we are going to get. I don't think Miller understands the distinction.

didn't watch miller my point by was that currently we in fact to give preference to uncles uncle compared to a random foreign phd, say.

Uncles do not qualify for any immigration benefit.

yes but brothers and fathers do. somehow you have difficulty grasping that it's not families but clans that are coming to the US. culturally backward people tend to be more clannish.

Culturally backward people tend to be more clannish? Like the white supremacists and racists?

Yes, including them - look at how southerners behaves

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Forever. Those yearning to be free should be welcome not just those who can make the most cash

So then, I should be welcomed with open arms in Italy, because I've always wanted to live there. Right?

Are you saying America is not exceptional?