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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false. I have a Chevy bolt and we love it. Any car enthusiast would love driving it. It was affordable even before the federal rebate and has given us no problems, but we have only had it for 9 months. But nothing about the car feels incomplete or experimental. We love it. We save $200 a month in gas and our electric bill has not really been impacted, especially since there are so many free charging stations. I love driving by the gas station and watching the poor suckers getting gas or waiting in line.

It is this casual presumption that you know what's good for other people combined with condescending attitude towards the preferences of others that rubs Republicans the wrong way and evoke a natural suspicion for anything that Liberals champion. You like it, we get it, don't decide for the rest of us. You do you, we'll examine the evidence and do a test drive for ourselves to see if any of us as car enthusiasts of varying degrees love driving a Bolt.

Have you actually driven an electric car? Ps I don’t actually care what car you like or whether you like standing in the hot smelly gas station waiting for your car to fill up. Obviously that’s fun for you. You’re reading into the post with your own bias against liberals (I’m not even a liberal) and that’s on you.

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But you guys keep saying "weather doesn't equal climate".

So which is it? Is weather climate, or not?

Anonymous wrote:I would never go back to gas, even if the current pricing and availability if electric cars is not great. In a year... Hopefully it will be better. Right now, your chocies in most markets are either the leaf or the bolt, and neither manufacturer is exactly pushing the American market very hard.

Europe and Asia, I hear is a different story.

If anyone has any actual questions about electric cars, we had two for four years and just got a new one. Can try and answer.

My theory about why the carmakers aren't enthusiastic is that they have all these supply chains and deals for the partsthat will all be obsolete. No transmission. No carb. No oil. No fans, exhaust, transmission.... That's a pretty seismic shift in the aftermarket that is coming.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false. I have a Chevy bolt and we love it. Any car enthusiast would love driving it. It was affordable even before the federal rebate and has given us no problems, but we have only had it for 9 months. But nothing about the car feels incomplete or experimental. We love it. We save $200 a month in gas and our electric bill has not really been impacted, especially since there are so many free charging stations. I love driving by the gas station and watching the poor suckers getting gas or waiting in line.

It is this casual presumption that you know what's good for other people combined with condescending attitude towards the preferences of others that rubs Republicans the wrong way and evoke a natural suspicion for anything that Liberals champion. You like it, we get it, don't decide for the rest of us. You do you, we'll examine the evidence and do a test drive for ourselves to see if any of us as car enthusiasts of varying degrees love driving a Bolt.

Anonymous wrote:A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false. I have a Chevy bolt and we love it. Any car enthusiast would love driving it. It was affordable even before the federal rebate and has given us no problems, but we have only had it for 9 months. But nothing about the car feels incomplete or experimental. We love it. We save $200 a month in gas and our electric bill has not really been impacted, especially since there are so many free charging stations. I love driving by the gas station and watching the poor suckers getting gas or waiting in line.

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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

Eventually you will go to a charging station to swap your battery out for a charged one, not sit there and charge your car. That’s the model Tesla is working towards at least.

I've heard that but the question is, who's doing it? In NJ, you can't pump your own gas. As a result, the lines are always long at the rest areas and it takes over 1/2 hour in line to get gas, due to slow worker performance. In addition? I'm relying on an attendant to change my battery properly and get back onto the road? Not sure how comfortable I am with that.

Anonymous wrote:Actually recent research has shown that a majority of Republicans believe that climate change is real, is a problem, is caused by humans, and should be addressed.

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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

Eventually you will go to a charging station to swap your battery out for a charged one, not sit there and charge your car. That’s the model Tesla is working towards at least.

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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false. I have a Chevy bolt and we love it. Any car enthusiast would love driving it. It was affordable even before the federal rebate and has given us no problems, but we have only had it for 9 months. But nothing about the car feels incomplete or experimental. We love it. We save $200 a month in gas and our electric bill has not really been impacted, especially since there are so many free charging stations. I love driving by the gas station and watching the poor suckers getting gas or waiting in line.

Good for you.

But why did you need a federal rebate?

Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

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I also remember a few decades ago when lib activists and scientists were telling everyone we were heading into another ice age. We were indoctrinated with that in grade school in the 70's. Everyone thought by 2000 we'd be living like Inuits, with glaciers everywhere, starving because we couldn't grow enough food because the world would be so cold by then.

It's the polar opposite (pun intended) of the nonsense being prattled about today.

Fool me once....

And I remember when more information came to light thanks to continued scientific research, the model changed to reflect our improved understanding of the issue. Unlike what conservatives would have done, the "lib activists and scientists " didn't dig in their heels and continue to insist on the threat of a looming ice age despite the new evidence.

And if you don't believe the models, have you noticed that the summers are getting hotter ? And that this has been consistently happening around the world?

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

But you guys keep saying "weather doesn't equal climate".

So which is it? Is weather climate, or not?


If it's hot in the summer that's proof of global warming, according to you. But if it's cold in the winter, well that's just the weather. (Or also proof of global warming, according to leading moonbats).

Your argument is utterly absurd. No matter what happens, it's all evidence to prove your argument.


This is why ordinary people don't trust libs.

"Summers getting hotter" is different than "this summer is hot" you dolt.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false. I have a Chevy bolt and we love it. Any car enthusiast would love driving it. It was affordable even before the federal rebate and has given us no problems, but we have only had it for 9 months. But nothing about the car feels incomplete or experimental. We love it. We save $200 a month in gas and our electric bill has not really been impacted, especially since there are so many free charging stations. I love driving by the gas station and watching the poor suckers getting gas or waiting in line.

Good for you.

But why did you need a federal rebate?