Anonymous
04/27/2017 07:04
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder how often this happens, it happened to people I know:
Student is weak/mediocre student in HS but plays varsity LAX. SAT's are very weak. He says he wants to go to DIII school and play LAX because somebody he knows is doing same. Parents are ridiculously ecstatic kid wants to go to any college. Accepted despite SATs, promised a spot on LAX team, full pay.
Student sits on the bench all season, can't even pass basic freshman classes even with lots of help from school, drinks parties and flunks out after one year.
Seven years later student and parents are still making payments on student loans they couldn't afford to begin with.
Should have gone to CC but were lured in by acceptance at a university and promise of playing on team.
Not sure how often above happens. My son was an slightly above student and average athlete in HS. Was recruited to play lax at a college he definitely would not have gotten into without sports. Played all four years, got a great job on Wall Street and now is in a top 10 business school. I have since learned and seen a number of articles on how job opportunities and graduate admissions are better for college athletes.
My mediocre student/mediocre lax player went to a college with a 80% acceptance rate. Walked onto the lax team, told the coach he did not expect to see playing time and never did... it was D1.
Junior year he was handed a very nice internship and given a mentor in business that has continued to follow his progress 6 years later.
I finally understand lax.
Anonymous
04/27/2017 06:30
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how often this happens, it happened to people I know:
Student is weak/mediocre student in HS but plays varsity LAX. SAT's are very weak. He says he wants to go to DIII school and play LAX because somebody he knows is doing same. Parents are ridiculously ecstatic kid wants to go to any college. Accepted despite SATs, promised a spot on LAX team, full pay.
Student sits on the bench all season, can't even pass basic freshman classes even with lots of help from school, drinks parties and flunks out after one year.
Seven years later student and parents are still making payments on student loans they couldn't afford to begin with.
Should have gone to CC but were lured in by acceptance at a university and promise of playing on team.
Not sure how often above happens. My son was an slightly above student and average athlete in HS. Was recruited to play lax at a college he definitely would not have gotten into without sports. Played all four years, got a great job on Wall Street and now is in a top 10 business school. I have since learned and seen a number of articles on how job opportunities and graduate admissions are better for college athletes.
Anonymous
04/27/2017 06:24
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I never said URMs don't get a bump for athletics but we are talking about SLACS where the numbers of AA students range from 12%-Amherst to 3% at Tufts as examples. The axe I have to grind is white folks complain so much about the AA and Latino bump but then fail to own the athletic bump for the same schools where white kids are admitted at greater percentages. I'll drop my hooks if you drop yours.
Tufts isn't a SLAC
Technically, although in sports they are D3 and play in the NESCAC (all D3 school)
Anonymous
04/27/2017 05:40
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I never said URMs don't get a bump for athletics but we are talking about SLACS where the numbers of AA students range from 12%-Amherst to 3% at Tufts as examples. The axe I have to grind is white folks complain so much about the AA and Latino bump but then fail to own the athletic bump for the same schools where white kids are admitted at greater percentages. I'll drop my hooks if you drop yours.
Tufts isn't a SLAC
Ok. So medium sized LAC. The point still stands with Tufts being one of the best examples of students using athletics to gain entry.
I'd argue its actually a research university.
Regardless, they are NESCAC and NESCAC is pretty stringent. (Tufts also has the lowest per athlete spending rate in the NESCAC).
I'm fairly certain that Tufts will take the best LAX players out there they can get - no matter what color his skin.
You don't have to argue, Tufts is a research university and is categorized as such in the rankings. Tufts will certainly recruit lax talent but like all of the NESCAC schools it isn't going to dramatically lower its academic standards for athletes. And heres a big surprise for a lot of posters......there are actually great lax players that are also high achievers academically and don't need any extra boost to get admitted.
Anonymous
04/27/2017 00:46
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I never said URMs don't get a bump for athletics but we are talking about SLACS where the numbers of AA students range from 12%-Amherst to 3% at Tufts as examples. The axe I have to grind is white folks complain so much about the AA and Latino bump but then fail to own the athletic bump for the same schools where white kids are admitted at greater percentages. I'll drop my hooks if you drop yours.
Tufts isn't a SLAC
Ok. So medium sized LAC. The point still stands with Tufts being one of the best examples of students using athletics to gain entry.
I'd argue its actually a research university.
Regardless, they are NESCAC and NESCAC is pretty stringent. (Tufts also has the lowest per athlete spending rate in the NESCAC).
I'm fairly certain that Tufts will take the best LAX players out there they can get - no matter what color his skin.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 23:59
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I never said URMs don't get a bump for athletics but we are talking about SLACS where the numbers of AA students range from 12%-Amherst to 3% at Tufts as examples. The axe I have to grind is white folks complain so much about the AA and Latino bump but then fail to own the athletic bump for the same schools where white kids are admitted at greater percentages. I'll drop my hooks if you drop yours.
Tufts isn't a SLAC
Ok. So medium sized LAC. The point still stands with Tufts being one of the best examples of students using athletics to gain entry.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 23:55
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:Why make things so complicated?
Student likes a school. Goes to the school to take classes. Plays a sport because he/she likes to play the sport (just like some might join a club, be in the band, participate in student gov't, etc).
The end.
That's not what is happening. This is a hook that has been created to gain admission to elite colleges.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 23:12
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Why make things so complicated?
Student likes a school. Goes to the school to take classes. Plays a sport because he/she likes to play the sport (just like some might join a club, be in the band, participate in student gov't, etc).
The end.
Student likes a school. Goes to the school to take classes. Plays a sport because he/she likes to play the sport (just like some might join a club, be in the band, participate in student gov't, etc).
The end.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 23:11
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Not sure any kids that poor play lacrosse.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 22:58
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
I wonder how often this happens, it happened to people I know:
Student is weak/mediocre student in HS but plays varsity LAX. SAT's are very weak. He says he wants to go to DIII school and play LAX because somebody he knows is doing same. Parents are ridiculously ecstatic kid wants to go to any college. Accepted despite SATs, promised a spot on LAX team, full pay.
Student sits on the bench all season, can't even pass basic freshman classes even with lots of help from school, drinks parties and flunks out after one year.
Seven years later student and parents are still making payments on student loans they couldn't afford to begin with.
Should have gone to CC but were lured in by acceptance at a university and promise of playing on team.
Student is weak/mediocre student in HS but plays varsity LAX. SAT's are very weak. He says he wants to go to DIII school and play LAX because somebody he knows is doing same. Parents are ridiculously ecstatic kid wants to go to any college. Accepted despite SATs, promised a spot on LAX team, full pay.
Student sits on the bench all season, can't even pass basic freshman classes even with lots of help from school, drinks parties and flunks out after one year.
Seven years later student and parents are still making payments on student loans they couldn't afford to begin with.
Should have gone to CC but were lured in by acceptance at a university and promise of playing on team.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 22:14
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:
I never said URMs don't get a bump for athletics but we are talking about SLACS where the numbers of AA students range from 12%-Amherst to 3% at Tufts as examples. The axe I have to grind is white folks complain so much about the AA and Latino bump but then fail to own the athletic bump for the same schools where white kids are admitted at greater percentages. I'll drop my hooks if you drop yours.
Tufts isn't a SLAC
Anonymous
04/26/2017 20:37
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Plus D3 at Williams is a far better result that D1 at most places (really almost all unless you are going pro). But I am sure you plan on trading "I was a D1 athlete" for the rest of your life though no one cares.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 19:38
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:without d3 sports, my asian siblings who are 2150-2250 sat, top 5% public school kids don't get into A,W,S schools.
What about all the Asian students that DON'T have the athletic hook? think about it.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 19:27
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:Pointless and indulgent. Give me the name brand, higher ranked school that draws in recruiters over a low-budget podunk college. Half of these de facto open admissions private colleges will be out of business in 10 years.
Lol these universities are hundreds of years old, how will they be out of business?
Anonymous
04/26/2017 19:25
Subject: Are DII and DIII sports a big scam to get parents to
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
What happens after the 4 yrs of college? At some point, the sports stop. Or they end up playing for the local adult rec league which seems to the same as intramurals. Sports maybe a part of who they are and what makes them happy, but for most kids, sports have to end sometime.
I've seen three outcomes: a) they get real fat; b) become crossfit drones; or c) drop out of college and enlist in military.
My son had merit at a slac. He played lacrosse. He is graduating with a double major and going into a PhD program. He is none of the 3 things you listed.
His education cost us $20,000 instead of $240,000. Why shouldnt kids continue to play sports in college if they want to?