"Don't like it, don't move into communities where you have no history. "

Sounds like something the Citizens Neighborhood Improvement Committee would say circa 1952.

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Go to church in your own neighborhood.

They ARE in their "own" neighborhood.

YOU are the outsider. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It's a very simple thing....

No, I LIVE in DC. These people driving from Maryland do not. Is that seriously hard for YOU to understand?

You're missing the point.

You live there NOW.

Their parents and grandparents lived there before you were even born. They might not live there now, but they grew up there, and it's still THEIR neighborhood, regardless of where they live now, or who occupies it at the moment.

You're an idiot.

-NP

NP, I think I get what PPP is saying. PP when you go back home to visit your family, do you consider that your neighborhood. A place and home that you will always feel you belong. As ET says, home.

True, but I don't feel that gives me an automatic right to inconvenience others.

Don't like it, don't move into communities where you have no history.

No surprise of the history and background of most of the folks that are interested in changing the ways and breaking the cohesiveness of the institutions that have been historic pillars in supporting communities that have had to deal with systematic oppression.

Granted, most of the folks that are anti-church also have no problems with cultural appropriation, such as through yoga.

Stupidest argument ever. Listen, I come from a beach down. I am not self centered enough to think that just because my parents live there, I can drive my out of state car there and illegally park at the beach.

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Anonymous wrote:

Go to church in your own neighborhood.

They ARE in their "own" neighborhood.

YOU are the outsider. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It's a very simple thing....

No, I LIVE in DC. These people driving from Maryland do not. Is that seriously hard for YOU to understand?

You're missing the point.

You live there NOW.

Their parents and grandparents lived there before you were even born. They might not live there now, but they grew up there, and it's still THEIR neighborhood, regardless of where they live now, or who occupies it at the moment.

You're an idiot.

-NP

NP, I think I get what PPP is saying. PP when you go back home to visit your family, do you consider that your neighborhood. A place and home that you will always feel you belong. As ET says, home.

True, but I don't feel that gives me an automatic right to inconvenience others.

Don't like it, don't move into communities where you have no history.

No surprise of the history and background of most of the folks that are interested in changing the ways and breaking the cohesiveness of the institutions that have been historic pillars in supporting communities that have had to deal with systematic oppression.

Granted, most of the folks that are anti-church also have no problems with cultural appropriation, such as through yoga.

You sound bitter. Can't afford to live in your old neighborhood anymore?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Go to church in your own neighborhood.

They ARE in their "own" neighborhood.

YOU are the outsider. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It's a very simple thing....

No, I LIVE in DC. These people driving from Maryland do not. Is that seriously hard for YOU to understand?

You're missing the point.

You live there NOW.

Their parents and grandparents lived there before you were even born. They might not live there now, but they grew up there, and it's still THEIR neighborhood, regardless of where they live now, or who occupies it at the moment.

You're an idiot.

-NP

NP, I think I get what PPP is saying. PP when you go back home to visit your family, do you consider that your neighborhood. A place and home that you will always feel you belong. As ET says, home.

True, but I don't feel that gives me an automatic right to inconvenience others.

Don't like it, don't move into communities where you have no history.

No surprise of the history and background of most of the folks that are interested in changing the ways and breaking the cohesiveness of the institutions that have been historic pillars in supporting communities that have had to deal with systematic oppression.

Granted, most of the folks that are anti-church also have no problems with cultural appropriation, such as through yoga.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Go to church in your own neighborhood.

They ARE in their "own" neighborhood.

YOU are the outsider. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It's a very simple thing....

No, I LIVE in DC. These people driving from Maryland do not. Is that seriously hard for YOU to understand?

You're missing the point.

You live there NOW.

Their parents and grandparents lived there before you were even born. They might not live there now, but they grew up there, and it's still THEIR neighborhood, regardless of where they live now, or who occupies it at the moment.

You're an idiot.

-NP

NP, I think I get what PPP is saying. PP when you go back home to visit your family, do you consider that your neighborhood. A place and home that you will always feel you belong. As ET says, home.

True, but I don't feel that gives me an automatic right to inconvenience others.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, but they grew up there. There grandmother still lives there. Other family still lives there.

It will ALWAYS be "their" neighborhood, because THEY have a family history there. You, do not. You're there until your next career move happens, and you're off to another city. And after you leave, they'll stil be double parking, long after you're gentrifying someplace else.

Your white privilege has no power when it comes to church parking.

Deal.

My husband is white, born and raised in this city. It's not white or black it's D.C. Vs MD

Church parking was traditionally about middle class blacks from the Maryland suburbs pushing around working class blacks in DC neighborhoods. When middle class whites started moving into those neighborhoods it upset the balance.

PP, what part of your arse did you pull this utter nonsense from? You sound like the white people who always find a way to assert that AA have historically discriminated against other AA in order to minimize white aggression, jim crow, slavery, etc.

It's my observation from living in Shaw back in the 90's. The city didn't start to listen to complaints until white people started moving in.

Not to mention that until the mid-90s, DC was led by a corrupt, racist, crack-addled mayor for life named Marion Barry. DC government basically didn't listen to anyone then.

Sounds like people are being towed. Problem solved.

Anonymous wrote:This conversation is like when people build subdivision in the middle of the forest, and start to complain about the deer eating their hydrangeas. The world doesn't change because of your gentrifying presence. The churches have been in DC long before the DC millennial newcomers (your manifest destiny spirit is showing). It doesn't matter where the congregants live, and people can go to church wherever they want. I am positive that there are a number of white congregants, around the country, who travel to attend their church. Why should it be different for Black churchgoers in DC?

If parking rules aren't don't apply on Sundays, then no laws are being broken.

The rules apply, they're not being enforced. There is a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, but they grew up there. There grandmother still lives there. Other family still lives there.

It will ALWAYS be "their" neighborhood, because THEY have a family history there. You, do not. You're there until your next career move happens, and you're off to another city. And after you leave, they'll stil be double parking, long after you're gentrifying someplace else.

Your white privilege has no power when it comes to church parking.

Deal.

My husband is white, born and raised in this city. It's not white or black it's D.C. Vs MD

Church parking was traditionally about middle class blacks from the Maryland suburbs pushing around working class blacks in DC neighborhoods. When middle class whites started moving into those neighborhoods it upset the balance.

PP, what part of your arse did you pull this utter nonsense from? You sound like the white people who always find a way to assert that AA have historically discriminated against other AA in order to minimize white aggression, jim crow, slavery, etc.

It's my observation from living in Shaw back in the 90's. The city didn't start to listen to complaints until white people started moving in.

Anonymous wrote:This conversation is like when people build subdivision in the middle of the forest, and start to complain about the deer eating their hydrangeas. The world doesn't change because of your gentrifying presence. The churches have been in DC long before the DC millennial newcomers (your manifest destiny spirit is showing). It doesn't matter where the congregants live, and people can go to church wherever they want. I am positive that there are a number of white congregants, around the country, who travel to attend their church. Why should it be different for Black churchgoers in DC?

If parking rules aren't don't apply on Sundays, then no laws are being broken.

It's not about parking.

I used to live near a big church, the parishioners would double-park on the main street even when there were closer spot open on side streets. It's about conspicuous display of impunity. They're saying "I'm going to park where ever I feel like and there's nothing you can do about it."

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, but they grew up there. There grandmother still lives there. Other family still lives there.

It will ALWAYS be "their" neighborhood, because THEY have a family history there. You, do not. You're there until your next career move happens, and you're off to another city. And after you leave, they'll stil be double parking, long after you're gentrifying someplace else.

Your white privilege has no power when it comes to church parking.

Deal.

My husband is white, born and raised in this city. It's not white or black it's D.C. Vs MD

Church parking was traditionally about middle class blacks from the Maryland suburbs pushing around working class blacks in DC neighborhoods. When middle class whites started moving into those neighborhoods it upset the balance.

PP, what part of your arse did you pull this utter nonsense from? You sound like the white people who always find a way to assert that AA have historically discriminated against other AA in order to minimize white aggression, jim crow, slavery, etc.

This conversation is like when people build subdivision in the middle of the forest, and start to complain about the deer eating their hydrangeas. The world doesn't change because of your gentrifying presence. The churches have been in DC long before the DC millennial newcomers (your manifest destiny spirit is showing). It doesn't matter where the congregants live, and people can go to church wherever they want. I am positive that there are a number of white congregants, around the country, who travel to attend their church. Why should it be different for Black churchgoers in DC?

If parking rules aren't don't apply on Sundays, then no laws are being broken.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, but they grew up there. There grandmother still lives there. Other family still lives there.

It will ALWAYS be "their" neighborhood, because THEY have a family history there. You, do not. You're there until your next career move happens, and you're off to another city. And after you leave, they'll stil be double parking, long after you're gentrifying someplace else.

Your white privilege has no power when it comes to church parking.

Deal.

My husband is white, born and raised in this city. It's not white or black it's D.C. Vs MD

Church parking was traditionally about middle class blacks from the Maryland suburbs pushing around working class blacks in DC neighborhoods. When middle class whites started moving into those neighborhoods it upset the balance.

This is the most interesting comment on this thread. Does this remain true today?

In my neighborhood it is. I find it interesting how people lump all DC black people into one group. The middle class black congregation that comes to my neighborhood dislikes the lower income black people more then the gentrifying whites in my neighborhood. At the last community meeting, they came down from MD to have their HUD homes shut down.

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Anonymous wrote:You must be new around here. Church goers in DC are not required to follow the law.

It's always amusing to see the newcomers not understand the role of the Ninth Ward in DC politics.

What the hell does that mean? This has been a fight for a really long time in DC. These churches were here when no one would step foot in those neighborhoods. You must not remember when Lincoln Park was considered the "hood". Churches stayed. Stop being so selfish.

That's the dumbest post I've read today. The selfish person is the one ILLEGALLY PARKING and constricting the flow of traffic. It doesn't matter if you're a resident or not.

Furthermore, so what if you were there when people thought Lincoln Park was considered the hood - YOU LEFT!!! You must have thought you were too good for the neighborhood, otherwise you would have stayed. That makes you an even bigger jackass to feel entitled about parking illegally.

I've never really been interested in Lincoln Park. The one house we saw was near a church and we knew there would be issues so we didn't buy it. Unlike you, we didn't expect the church to bend to us. We already knew what we would be signing up for.

So the loser in that instance was not you so much, as the would be seller. Possibly a legacy black family?

If you're selling a house near Lincoln Park and have lived there awhile, you are never losing. It's amazing what rich folks will pay for these places.

Would much rather live next to the church than next to one of the micromanaging new comers that have no respect for cultures that aren't their own.

1. The legacy black family still probably got a smaller gain than they would have. In effect the churches have expropriated some of the gains of that black family. Why not just simplify things, and give all black churches the right to a percentage of the capital gains made by local black families? That would at least support all black churches, whether or not they had a lot of people who park illegally.
2. I find it fascinating that illegal parking is considered by some part of black culture. Is this like how using turn lanes to pass illegally is part of suburban culture? I guess that is another culture I don't respect. I had no idea such things were part of traditional cultures.

It's how D.C. is for now... We all know where this is heading.