Anonymous
Post 03/13/2017 10:59     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
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Anonymous wrote:Why would this even be an issue? Who goes to Jamestown anyways? It doesn't seem like an interesting destination for me, or anyone in my family, so of course I wouldn't expect teachers to go there. You are weird, OP, and petty.


I wouldn't call OP weird or petty but her take is "interesting".

I know tons of teachers who travel the globe although they may or may not have been to Jamestown. Maybe historical sites are just not their thing.

Just because they don't visit the local jaunts doesn't mean they're not well-traveled.


I would think most people interested in US history would go to sites near or in VA. If citizens or those who want to be citizens are NOT interested in our history then I find it unusual. Jamestown is near Yorktown. VA is near Gettysburg, Antietam, Philadelphia.

Harpers Ferry. Bull Run/Manassas. Valley Forge. http://loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/timeline/amrev/turning/valley.html

Gettysburg is not a local jaunt akin to a vineyard tour. Nor are any of these other places.


I take it [b]you aren't very well read, and can only learn things by going to a site and having someone tell you a few facts about that site. Unlike you, most history buffs learn the vast majority of what they know from reading extensively. While many visit historic sites, reading extensively is vital to teaching a class with enthusiasm and depth, while visiting is just a minor bonus. Just because you lack the means to glean knowledge from our rich written history doesn't mean teachers are equally deficient. Give reading a try, it might open you mind to a whole new world.


I am extremely well read. Plus I've walked the battlefields. Real people died on those sites. Are you from the USA? Any ancestors died in those wars? These sites are not just for history buffs. Too many people here that don't care about our history except for the benefits it has for them.
Anonymous
Post 03/13/2017 10:09     Subject: Re:Teachers who never visited VA historic places
What a fun thread! First world problem.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2017 23:45     Subject: Re:Teachers who never visited VA historic places
OP, what do you think of teachers who have traveled the globe but haven't been to Jamestown???

I know teachers who've visited ruins throughout the world but have skipped a lot of nearby historical sites.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2017 23:07     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
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Anonymous wrote:Why would this even be an issue? Who goes to Jamestown anyways? It doesn't seem like an interesting destination for me, or anyone in my family, so of course I wouldn't expect teachers to go there. You are weird, OP, and petty.


I wouldn't call OP weird or petty but her take is "interesting".

I know tons of teachers who travel the globe although they may or may not have been to Jamestown. Maybe historical sites are just not their thing.

Just because they don't visit the local jaunts doesn't mean they're not well-traveled.


I would think most people interested in US history would go to sites near or in VA. If citizens or those who want to be citizens are NOT interested in our history then I find it unusual. Jamestown is near Yorktown. VA is near Gettysburg, Antietam, Philadelphia.

Harpers Ferry. Bull Run/Manassas. Valley Forge. http://loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/timeline/amrev/turning/valley.html

Gettysburg is not a local jaunt akin to a vineyard tour. Nor are any of these other places.


I take it you aren't very well read, and can only learn things by going to a site and having someone tell you a few facts about that site. Unlike you, most history buffs learn the vast majority of what they know from reading extensively. While many visit historic sites, reading extensively is vital to teaching a class with enthusiasm and depth, while visiting is just a minor bonus. Just because you lack the means to glean knowledge from our rich written history doesn't mean teachers are equally deficient. Give reading a try, it might open you mind to a whole new world.


NP here. Oh, come on. Yes, you can learn a lot from reading about places and events. But nothing quite compares to visiting the actual place, especially when it's nearby. The two are not mutually exclusive, and I think experiential learning is particularly important for children but more interesting to most people, regardless of age.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2017 22:21     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would this even be an issue? Who goes to Jamestown anyways? It doesn't seem like an interesting destination for me, or anyone in my family, so of course I wouldn't expect teachers to go there. You are weird, OP, and petty.


I wouldn't call OP weird or petty but her take is "interesting".

I know tons of teachers who travel the globe although they may or may not have been to Jamestown. Maybe historical sites are just not their thing.

Just because they don't visit the local jaunts doesn't mean they're not well-traveled.


I would think most people interested in US history would go to sites near or in VA. If citizens or those who want to be citizens are NOT interested in our history then I find it unusual. Jamestown is near Yorktown. VA is near Gettysburg, Antietam, Philadelphia.

Harpers Ferry. Bull Run/Manassas. Valley Forge. http://loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/timeline/amrev/turning/valley.html

Gettysburg is not a local jaunt akin to a vineyard tour. Nor are any of these other places.


I take it you aren't very well read, and can only learn things by going to a site and having someone tell you a few facts about that site. Unlike you, most history buffs learn the vast majority of what they know from reading extensively. While many visit historic sites, reading extensively is vital to teaching a class with enthusiasm and depth, while visiting is just a minor bonus. Just because you lack the means to glean knowledge from our rich written history doesn't mean teachers are equally deficient. Give reading a try, it might open you mind to a whole new world.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2017 22:08     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
and this discussion is really about US history being relevant. I heard people complaining about it's relevancy in elementary school. We all felt like saying go back! People just here for money and don't give 1 iota about this country.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2017 22:05     Subject: Re:Teachers who never visited VA historic places
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Anonymous wrote:I've visited the Louvre, the Statue of Liberty, Mount Vernon, the Colosseum in Rome, the Sistine Chapel, the Alhambra in Spain....Never been to Jamestown. Also don't care if my kids' teachers have been there or any places I've been. As long as they are good teachers and kind people, they are perfectly able to teach history without visiting the places they teach about. They teach about ancient civilizations just fine without time travel. Do you just look for things to complain about?


+1

OP, do you not realize how insignificant Jamestown is in the grand scheme of things? Truly? I've never been there, but I've been to all the places PP mentioned, and many, many others. I suspect that's true for most of my children's public school teachers.

I plan to go along on the field trip when my kid visits in 4th grade, and that will be the one and only time I go to Jamestown. I would not go otherwise. But then again, I did not grow up in VA with this over-inflated sense of my place and importance in the world.



Jamestown is a good representation of some of the easier living conditions - yes easier for persons who came here in wooden sailing ships pre electricity etc. Trek into upstate NY and fell some trees with an ax. Deal with that winter. Unfortunately for people like the PP , VA and other states were part of the original 13 colonies. The boats came to the Atlantic seaboard.

We're getting snow-get a woolen blanket and wrap it around your feet with some bark. Get another blanket and a tarp . Old pot and build a fire outside. Stay there for 3 days and play Valley Forge camping.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2017 21:54     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would this even be an issue? Who goes to Jamestown anyways? It doesn't seem like an interesting destination for me, or anyone in my family, so of course I wouldn't expect teachers to go there. You are weird, OP, and petty.


I wouldn't call OP weird or petty but her take is "interesting".

I know tons of teachers who travel the globe although they may or may not have been to Jamestown. Maybe historical sites are just not their thing.

Just because they don't visit the local jaunts doesn't mean they're not well-traveled.


I would think most people interested in US history would go to sites near or in VA. If citizens or those who want to be citizens are NOT interested in our history then I find it unusual. Jamestown is near Yorktown. VA is near Gettysburg, Antietam, Philadelphia.

Harpers Ferry. Bull Run/Manassas. Valley Forge. http://loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/timeline/amrev/turning/valley.html

Gettysburg is not a local jaunt akin to a vineyard tour. Nor are any of these other places.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2017 19:11     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
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I'm a teacher and I spent the weekend doing household chores, correcting papers and resting up for the week ahead. Hope that's okay with the OP.


I'm sure it is. But during the summer you should definitely be in Jamestown.


Please post your phone number so the teacher can contact you for reimbursement for this additional work day and to cover other costs (babysitting, missed day at summer job, travel costs, etc).



You chose to be a teacher, you knew about this job, you knew teaching involves constant education (that includes visiting museums, historic places, science centers, etc). Kids appreciate when their teachers transmit a passion for learning and making efforts to learn good stuff every day. If teaching is not your passion and you're asking someone else to be your constant fundraiser...you need to part ways with the profession. No one gave me a single extra quarter dollar when I was looking for a job and finally was hired by an organization where I grew professionally. I went on many local and OOT trips by myself without asking reimbursement to anyone. Going on trips open your mind. Trust me.


Different poster and no dog in this fight. But, PP, I don't think you understand the employer-employee relationship. Having a job that you are passionate about does not mean that you spend your own money on it. It is a job regardless of your level of passion for it. In all instances, the employer pays the employee, not the other way around.


Seems you don't get it. Do it for your own fulfillment. Are you going to tell me you cannot pay $10 from your pocket????? Curiosity is not a job! Do things for yourself.


Please work on your reading comprehension skills, PP. FWIW I also think you should consider going back on your meds.[/quote

I won't play your aggression game with frustrated people like you. Aloha
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2017 18:55     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
Anonymous wrote:
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I'm a teacher and I spent the weekend doing household chores, correcting papers and resting up for the week ahead. Hope that's okay with the OP.


I'm sure it is. But during the summer you should definitely be in Jamestown.


Please post your phone number so the teacher can contact you for reimbursement for this additional work day and to cover other costs (babysitting, missed day at summer job, travel costs, etc).



You chose to be a teacher, you knew about this job, you knew teaching involves constant education (that includes visiting museums, historic places, science centers, etc). Kids appreciate when their teachers transmit a passion for learning and making efforts to learn good stuff every day. If teaching is not your passion and you're asking someone else to be your constant fundraiser...you need to part ways with the profession. No one gave me a single extra quarter dollar when I was looking for a job and finally was hired by an organization where I grew professionally. I went on many local and OOT trips by myself without asking reimbursement to anyone. Going on trips open your mind. Trust me.


Different poster and no dog in this fight. But, PP, I don't think you understand the employer-employee relationship. Having a job that you are passionate about does not mean that you spend your own money on it. It is a job regardless of your level of passion for it. In all instances, the employer pays the employee, not the other way around.


Seems you don't get it. Do it for your own fulfillment. Are you going to tell me you cannot pay $10 from your pocket????? Curiosity is not a job! Do things for yourself.


Please work on your reading comprehension skills, PP. FWIW I also think you should consider going back on your meds.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2017 18:51     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm a teacher and I spent the weekend doing household chores, correcting papers and resting up for the week ahead. Hope that's okay with the OP.


I'm sure it is. But during the summer you should definitely be in Jamestown.


Please post your phone number so the teacher can contact you for reimbursement for this additional work day and to cover other costs (babysitting, missed day at summer job, travel costs, etc).



You chose to be a teacher, you knew about this job, you knew teaching involves constant education (that includes visiting museums, historic places, science centers, etc). Kids appreciate when their teachers transmit a passion for learning and making efforts to learn good stuff every day. If teaching is not your passion and you're asking someone else to be your constant fundraiser...you need to part ways with the profession. No one gave me a single extra quarter dollar when I was looking for a job and finally was hired by an organization where I grew professionally. I went on many local and OOT trips by myself without asking reimbursement to anyone. Going on trips open your mind. Trust me.


I am not a teacher. I am a parent and I think you are being ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous.

The time and cost for a day trip to Jamestown is more than $10.

If this is something YOU are passionate about then find a way to support teachers and make it happen. If you aren't willing to do that then just STFU.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2017 18:45     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm a teacher and I spent the weekend doing household chores, correcting papers and resting up for the week ahead. Hope that's okay with the OP.


I'm sure it is. But during the summer you should definitely be in Jamestown.


Please post your phone number so the teacher can contact you for reimbursement for this additional work day and to cover other costs (babysitting, missed day at summer job, travel costs, etc).



You chose to be a teacher, you knew about this job, you knew teaching involves constant education (that includes visiting museums, historic places, science centers, etc). Kids appreciate when their teachers transmit a passion for learning and making efforts to learn good stuff every day. If teaching is not your passion and you're asking someone else to be your constant fundraiser...you need to part ways with the profession. No one gave me a single extra quarter dollar when I was looking for a job and finally was hired by an organization where I grew professionally. I went on many local and OOT trips by myself without asking reimbursement to anyone. Going on trips open your mind. Trust me.


Different poster and no dog in this fight. But, PP, I don't think you understand the employer-employee relationship. Having a job that you are passionate about does not mean that you spend your own money on it. It is a job regardless of your level of passion for it. In all instances, the employer pays the employee, not the other way around.


Seems you don't get it. Do it for your own fulfillment. Are you going to tell me you cannot pay $10 from your pocket????? Curiosity is not a job! Do things for yourself.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2017 18:31     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm a teacher and I spent the weekend doing household chores, correcting papers and resting up for the week ahead. Hope that's okay with the OP.


I'm sure it is. But during the summer you should definitely be in Jamestown.


Please post your phone number so the teacher can contact you for reimbursement for this additional work day and to cover other costs (babysitting, missed day at summer job, travel costs, etc).



You chose to be a teacher, you knew about this job, you knew teaching involves constant education (that includes visiting museums, historic places, science centers, etc). Kids appreciate when their teachers transmit a passion for learning and making efforts to learn good stuff every day. If teaching is not your passion and you're asking someone else to be your constant fundraiser...you need to part ways with the profession. No one gave me a single extra quarter dollar when I was looking for a job and finally was hired by an organization where I grew professionally. I went on many local and OOT trips by myself without asking reimbursement to anyone. Going on trips open your mind. Trust me.


Different poster and no dog in this fight. But, PP, I don't think you understand the employer-employee relationship. Having a job that you are passionate about does not mean that you spend your own money on it. It is a job regardless of your level of passion for it. In all instances, the employer pays the employee, not the other way around.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2017 18:23     Subject: Teachers who never visited VA historic places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm a teacher and I spent the weekend doing household chores, correcting papers and resting up for the week ahead. Hope that's okay with the OP.


I'm sure it is. But during the summer you should definitely be in Jamestown.


Please post your phone number so the teacher can contact you for reimbursement for this additional work day and to cover other costs (babysitting, missed day at summer job, travel costs, etc).



You chose to be a teacher, you knew about this job, you knew teaching involves constant education (that includes visiting museums, historic places, science centers, etc). Kids appreciate when their teachers transmit a passion for learning and making efforts to learn good stuff every day. If teaching is not your passion and you're asking someone else to be your constant fundraiser...you need to part ways with the profession. No one gave me a single extra quarter dollar when I was looking for a job and finally was hired by an organization where I grew professionally. I went on many local and OOT trips by myself without asking reimbursement to anyone. Going on trips open your mind. Trust me.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2017 17:54     Subject: Re:Teachers who never visited VA historic places
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Perhaps. Doesn't mean you're any better. But thanks for doing the bare minimum. Why go to Jamestown when you have grammars to correct?


You do understand that there are more than two or three posters on here? FWIW, I haven't taught in years and I have been to Jamestown. I suspect most people on this thread have been to Jamestown--but, they understand why a teacher may not have been there.
Also, If you don't understand that grammar counts and creates impressions on your knowledge and intelligence, I cannot help you. You think the teachers must visit all historic sites. I think you need to learn some grammar. By the way, it is grammar--not grammars.
Where are you from?





I don't need your help, or pity, thank you very much. What does it matter where I'm from? You seem to be understanding my writing just fine. I understand why many teacher never visited Jamestown, but I don't understand when a DC area teacher who teaches about Jamestown but never visited there gets defensive when I say teachers like that are doing the bare minimum and earn the lowest respect from me, who's born and raised in another country.