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Anonymous wrote:Because if I had to raise my kids in a town controlled by cartels and have them witness unspeakable violence or end up joining the cartels for protection, I can't say I too wouldn't strap my shit on my back and try to come over here to bust my ass and give my kids a good safe life. THAT is why I refuse to demonize illegal immigrants.

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+2 We live in a nice bubble compared to those people.

Bubbles burst.

Sure, and if your bubble every bursts, and you find yourself in a situation where you have to choose between your kid joining a gang or being killed, then I'll have sympathy for you.

Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

Anonymous wrote:Let's open up our borders and let EVERYONE who wants to escape poverty, crime and corruption just come here.

SMH at the idiotic liberals thinking.....

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Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

My parents are immigrants. They came legally, paid their fees and waited in line, and became citizens 14 years after they moved here. I could never have a problem with immigration - it's the direct reason I'm here.

I'm a Democrat and think that the hysteria surrounding undocumented immigration is completely overblown and I don't support a wall or anything. But there's a very clear distinction between legal and illegal immigration. I think you can absolutely support one and not support the other.

In a perfect world I support legal immigration. In a realistic world, I can see how more pressing concerns for immediate safety of life and health might make legal immigration not an option for some people.

I feel bad for those people. I do not think that means we should invite them here. I think we should help them through foreign and development aid, help broker deals for them to go to other countries (sort of like the EU/Turkey deal, though that one is definitely imperfect), and/or encourage them to move to safer areas within their own country. I think the U.S. government is morally obligated to help its own citizens and to some extent its legal immigrants (who it's accepted/invited here) first. There are always gong to be people fleeing poverty and war and violence, but we can't bring them all here, and it doesn't entitle them to live here without going through the process. And if they're rejected, there are about 190 other countries to choose from.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a quote years ago and I always come back to it on this topic:

"People do not do things to you. They do things for themselves."

They're not coming here to steal your American Dream or that landscaping job you would never deign to work. They're not coming here to gobble up your child's teachers' attention or snatch up those cheap 2 bedroom apartments in which you again would never deign to live.

They are coming here because they have no viable method of survival left in their home country. They can't keep their children safe. They cannot work. Their kids can't get an education. They have no healthcare. You think Mexican immigrants who swim across the river WANT to have to put the lives of their children in the hands of a coyote who may or may not get them to safety? To have them sleep under a desert bush the during the day and then even if they make it here live in constant fear of authority? You think Syrian refugees want to risk their kids' lives on an inflatable raft packed with 200 people or have their kids sleep on the cold ground under a tree in some no mans land between borders?

Seriously, when THAT is your GOOD option, you have my full blessing in doing whatever you can to get your family to safety and security. Be it here or anywhere.

Mexico started about the same time as US and Canada. So be it. All the people who want to come here don't fit. Let our unemployed citizens work on chicken farms. No benefits unless they work...concept of EITC.

Length of time a country has existed has nothing to do with the quality of life for citizens of that country.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a quote years ago and I always come back to it on this topic:

"People do not do things to you. They do things for themselves."

They're not coming here to steal your American Dream or that landscaping job you would never deign to work. They're not coming here to gobble up your child's teachers' attention or snatch up those cheap 2 bedroom apartments in which you again would never deign to live.

They are coming here because they have no viable method of survival left in their home country. They can't keep their children safe. They cannot work. Their kids can't get an education. They have no healthcare. You think Mexican immigrants who swim across the river WANT to have to put the lives of their children in the hands of a coyote who may or may not get them to safety? To have them sleep under a desert bush the during the day and then even if they make it here live in constant fear of authority? You think Syrian refugees want to risk their kids' lives on an inflatable raft packed with 200 people or have their kids sleep on the cold ground under a tree in some no mans land between borders?

Seriously, when THAT is your GOOD option, you have my full blessing in doing whatever you can to get your family to safety and security. Be it here or anywhere.

Mexico started about the same time as US and Canada. So be it. All the people who want to come here don't fit. Let our unemployed citizens work on chicken farms. No benefits unless they work...concept of EITC.

Anonymous wrote:I read a quote years ago and I always come back to it on this topic:

"People do not do things to you. They do things for themselves."

They're not coming here to steal your American Dream or that landscaping job you would never deign to work. They're not coming here to gobble up your child's teachers' attention or snatch up those cheap 2 bedroom apartments in which you again would never deign to live.

They are coming here because they have no viable method of survival left in their home country. They can't keep their children safe. They cannot work. Their kids can't get an education. They have no healthcare. You think Mexican immigrants who swim across the river WANT to have to put the lives of their children in the hands of a coyote who may or may not get them to safety? To have them sleep under a desert bush the during the day and then even if they make it here live in constant fear of authority? You think Syrian refugees want to risk their kids' lives on an inflatable raft packed with 200 people or have their kids sleep on the cold ground under a tree in some no mans land between borders?

Seriously, when THAT is your GOOD option, you have my full blessing in doing whatever you can to get your family to safety and security. Be it here or anywhere.

Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

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Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

My parents are immigrants. They came legally, paid their fees and waited in line, and became citizens 14 years after they moved here. I could never have a problem with immigration - it's the direct reason I'm here.

I'm a Democrat and think that the hysteria surrounding undocumented immigration is completely overblown and I don't support a wall or anything. But there's a very clear distinction between legal and illegal immigration. I think you can absolutely support one and not support the other.

In a perfect world I support legal immigration. In a realistic world, I can see how more pressing concerns for immediate safety of life and health might make legal immigration not an option for some people.

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Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

My parents are immigrants. They came legally, paid their fees and waited in line, and became citizens 14 years after they moved here. I could never have a problem with immigration - it's the direct reason I'm here.

I'm a Democrat and think that the hysteria surrounding undocumented immigration is completely overblown and I don't support a wall or anything. But there's a very clear distinction between legal and illegal immigration. I think you can absolutely support one and not support the other.

Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

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Anonymous wrote:Because if I had to raise my kids in a town controlled by cartels and have them witness unspeakable violence or end up joining the cartels for protection, I can't say I too wouldn't strap my shit on my back and try to come over here to bust my ass and give my kids a good safe life. THAT is why I refuse to demonize illegal immigrants.

+1 this

+2 We live in a nice bubble compared to those people.

Bubbles burst.