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Ultimately, even though I'm not a big fan of women covering themselves head to toe, I do think it should be their choice. Feel the same way about believers in other sexist religions or ideologies. Their choice.

But if I am made to feel uncomfortable in a public place because I am a woman, I will be pissed. If my DD is, I will be absolutely livid. I have no tolerance for anyone making her feel second class because she's a girl.

Too late. HRC is like 15 points ahead of idiot Trump. Obama is pumping in tens of thousands of muslims before he leaves office. Liberturds never see the light. Lets all vote HRC so that these Muslim men can pretend to be transgendered women and go to the ladies room. Oh boy, what a great Country the Dems are giving us. Too many idiots in this Country are more concerned about electing a Dem, even a thieving one, that a bozo Trump. I say, lets elect someone that doesn't want us to look like France in 10 yrs. If you haven't lived in the Middle East like I have, and you vote HRC, hell yes .... You are an IDIOT

Ultimately, even though I'm not a big fan of women covering themselves head to toe, I do think it should be their choice. Feel the same way about believers in other sexist religions or ideologies. Their choice.

But if I am made to feel uncomfortable in a public place because I am a woman, I will be pissed. If my DD is, I will be absolutely livid. I have no tolerance for anyone making her feel second class because she's a girl.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it matter that there is a double standard? Should the western world follow what the Muslim world does where it pertains to forcing women to wear, nor not wear certain garments?


No, we shouldn't. I for one do not like walking out of a Panera bread in Springfield with my young daughters and having a man "shoo" us away from the outside tables because his harm of burkas are eating outside with him and his other friends. Scared the crap out of my daughter and her friends, this is not the Middle East and I could care less about their repressive culture.

similar situation happened to me at a different place. I stared him down, though. I will not be intimidated into changing anything I do in my day to day life. This is my worry. They leave oppressive countries and bring their crap here. No thank you.

The Starbucks in the Burlington Coat Factory shopping center in Bailey's Crossroads has been taken over by Middle Eastern men who monopolize the tables both inside and outside. It is very uncomfortable even walking by them because of their nasty comments.

I was just going to post about that!

I live across town and happened to be in the area shopping. I walked over to that starbucks and their were lines of men sitting outside smoking. They all stopped talking and just stared or glared at me in silence. I walked into starbucks to order and the same thing happened. It was the creepiest, most uncomfortable and weirdest thing that has ever happened to me.

I kept thinking in my head "wtf was going on?!?" It felt like taking the wrong turn down a dark alley at night and walking into a bunch of gang bangers or meth heads in the middle of a drug deal.

It was a very negative experience. I was in shorts and a T and after going through that I can sympathize with why those women feel tye need to cover themselves head to toe. What a horrible life for these women to live if that is how the men in their world react to women.

I really feel for those women wrapped up head to toe in burkas. It might be a choice to dress like that but it is clearly not a free choice.

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Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.

+1 I've been saying the same thing. NO govt should tell a civilian person what to wear.

Could a "western" woman wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia? is there a double standard?

Saudi Arabia is an islamic republic and makes no claim to respect human beings, their choices or rights. France does make the claim that they respect human beings, human choice and human liberty. Saudis don't claim any respect for human liberty so its not a double standard, if you follow? If the French say- The Uk is a nominally Christian country- so it is actually ok for the government in the UK to say- hey you all- we are an Anglican country, everyone has to adhere to anglican norms. I mean if the french want to be secular in the same way that the USSR was secular- with only one state sanctioned religion (Russian Orthodoxy) and no other faith permitted, that is their choice but it should be apparent, clear and legislated, not arbitrarily enforced.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it matter that there is a double standard? Should the western world follow what the Muslim world does where it pertains to forcing women to wear, nor not wear certain garments?


No, we shouldn't. I for one do not like walking out of a Panera bread in Springfield with my young daughters and having a man "shoo" us away from the outside tables because his harm of burkas are eating outside with him and his other friends. Scared the crap out of my daughter and her friends, this is not the Middle East and I could care less about their repressive culture.

similar situation happened to me at a different place. I stared him down, though. I will not be intimidated into changing anything I do in my day to day life. This is my worry. They leave oppressive countries and bring their crap here. No thank you.

The Starbucks in the Burlington Coat Factory shopping center in Bailey's Crossroads has been taken over by Middle Eastern men who monopolize the tables both inside and outside. It is very uncomfortable even walking by them because of their nasty comments.

I was just going to post about that!

I live across town and happened to be in the area shopping. I walked over to that starbucks and their were lines of men sitting outside smoking. They all stopped talking and just stared or glared at me in silence. I walked into starbucks to order and the same thing happened. It was the creepiest, most uncomfortable and weirdest thing that has ever happened to me.

I kept thinking in my head "wtf was going on?!?" It felt like taking the wrong turn down a dark alley at night and walking into a bunch of gang bangers or meth heads in the middle of a drug deal.

It was a very negative experience. I was in shorts and a T and after going through that I can sympathize with why those women feel tye need to cover themselves head to toe. What a horrible life for these women to live if that is how the men in their world react to women.

I really feel for those women wrapped up head to toe in burkas. It might be a choice to dress like that but it is clearly not a free choice.

Wow. I'd want to make a cop report of that. Wtf.

I am that poster.

There is nothing illegal about silently staring, so nothing police report worthy occured.

It was just so strange and unexpected. I have never had middle eastern men behave like that, but as I said in my second post the middle eastern men I know are 2nd generation pakistani and persian. Normal, regular guys.

The men at that starbucks were not. It was scary and uncomfortable getting stared down like that. I was dressed like your average mom on a warm day, nondescript mom shorts and a fitted T. It was a couple years ago and the memory is still uncomfortable and creepy. I remember trying to decide whether to order or just leave. I have never felt like that before in this country

I will not go to that starbucks again.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it matter that there is a double standard? Should the western world follow what the Muslim world does where it pertains to forcing women to wear, nor not wear certain garments?


No, we shouldn't. I for one do not like walking out of a Panera bread in Springfield with my young daughters and having a man "shoo" us away from the outside tables because his harm of burkas are eating outside with him and his other friends. Scared the crap out of my daughter and her friends, this is not the Middle East and I could care less about their repressive culture.

similar situation happened to me at a different place. I stared him down, though. I will not be intimidated into changing anything I do in my day to day life. This is my worry. They leave oppressive countries and bring their crap here. No thank you.

The Starbucks in the Burlington Coat Factory shopping center in Bailey's Crossroads has been taken over by Middle Eastern men who monopolize the tables both inside and outside. It is very uncomfortable even walking by them because of their nasty comments.

I was just going to post about that!

I live across town and happened to be in the area shopping. I walked over to that starbucks and their were lines of men sitting outside smoking. They all stopped talking and just stared or glared at me in silence. I walked into starbucks to order and the same thing happened. It was the creepiest, most uncomfortable and weirdest thing that has ever happened to me.

I kept thinking in my head "wtf was going on?!?" It felt like taking the wrong turn down a dark alley at night and walking into a bunch of gang bangers or meth heads in the middle of a drug deal.

It was a very negative experience. I was in shorts and a T and after going through that I can sympathize with why those women feel tye need to cover themselves head to toe. What a horrible life for these women to live if that is how the men in their world react to women.

I really feel for those women wrapped up head to toe in burkas. It might be a choice to dress like that but it is clearly not a free choice.

Wow. I'd want to make a cop report of that. Wtf.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it matter that there is a double standard? Should the western world follow what the Muslim world does where it pertains to forcing women to wear, nor not wear certain garments?


No, we shouldn't. I for one do not like walking out of a Panera bread in Springfield with my young daughters and having a man "shoo" us away from the outside tables because his harm of burkas are eating outside with him and his other friends. Scared the crap out of my daughter and her friends, this is not the Middle East and I could care less about their repressive culture.

similar situation happened to me at a different place. I stared him down, though. I will not be intimidated into changing anything I do in my day to day life. This is my worry. They leave oppressive countries and bring their crap here. No thank you.

The Starbucks in the Burlington Coat Factory shopping center in Bailey's Crossroads has been taken over by Middle Eastern men who monopolize the tables both inside and outside. It is very uncomfortable even walking by them because of their nasty comments.

I was just going to post about that!

I live across town and happened to be in the area shopping. I walked over to that starbucks and their were lines of men sitting outside smoking. They all stopped talking and just stared or glared at me in silence. I walked into starbucks to order and the same thing happened. It was the creepiest, most uncomfortable and weirdest thing that has ever happened to me.

I kept thinking in my head "wtf was going on?!?" It felt like taking the wrong turn down a dark alley at night and walking into a bunch of gang bangers or meth heads in the middle of a drug deal.

It was a very negative experience. I was in shorts and a T and after going through that I can sympathize with why those women feel tye need to cover themselves head to toe. What a horrible life for these women to live if that is how the men in their world react to women.

I really feel for those women wrapped up head to toe in burkas. It might be a choice to dress like that but it is clearly not a free choice.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it matter that there is a double standard? Should the western world follow what the Muslim world does where it pertains to forcing women to wear, nor not wear certain garments?


No, we shouldn't. I for one do not like walking out of a Panera bread in Springfield with my young daughters and having a man "shoo" us away from the outside tables because his harm of burkas are eating outside with him and his other friends. Scared the crap out of my daughter and her friends, this is not the Middle East and I could care less about their repressive culture.

similar situation happened to me at a different place. I stared him down, though. I will not be intimidated into changing anything I do in my day to day life. This is my worry. They leave oppressive countries and bring their crap here. No thank you.

The Starbucks in the Burlington Coat Factory shopping center in Bailey's Crossroads has been taken over by Middle Eastern men who monopolize the tables both inside and outside. It is very uncomfortable even walking by them because of their nasty comments.

I was just going to post about that!

I live across town and happened to be in the area shopping. I walked over to that starbucks and their were lines of men sitting outside smoking. They all stopped talking and just stared or glared at me in silence. I walked into starbucks to order and the same thing happened. It was the creepiest, most uncomfortable and weirdest thing that has ever happened to me.

I kept thinking in my head "wtf was going on?!?" It felt like taking the wrong turn down a dark alley at night and walking into a bunch of gang bangers or meth heads in the middle of a drug deal.

It was a very negative experience. I was in shorts and a T and after going through that I can sympathize with why those women feel tye need to cover themselves head to toe. What a horrible life for these women to live if that is how the men in their world react to women.

I really feel for those women wrapped up head to toe in burkas. It might be a choice to dress like that but it is clearly not a free choice.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it matter that there is a double standard? Should the western world follow what the Muslim world does where it pertains to forcing women to wear, nor not wear certain garments?


No, we shouldn't. I for one do not like walking out of a Panera bread in Springfield with my young daughters and having a man "shoo" us away from the outside tables because his harm of burkas are eating outside with him and his other friends. Scared the crap out of my daughter and her friends, this is not the Middle East and I could care less about their repressive culture.

similar situation happened to me at a different place. I stared him down, though. I will not be intimidated into changing anything I do in my day to day life. This is my worry. They leave oppressive countries and bring their crap here. No thank you.

The Starbucks in the Burlington Coat Factory shopping center in Bailey's Crossroads has been taken over by Middle Eastern men who monopolize the tables both inside and outside. It is very uncomfortable even walking by them because of their nasty comments.

Different crew than the Muslims I grew up with... except for some guys in college [here to study engineering]. Now I know so many Persians who don't use the word Iran.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it matter that there is a double standard? Should the western world follow what the Muslim world does where it pertains to forcing women to wear, nor not wear certain garments?


No, we shouldn't. I for one do not like walking out of a Panera bread in Springfield with my young daughters and having a man "shoo" us away from the outside tables because his harm of burkas are eating outside with him and his other friends. Scared the crap out of my daughter and her friends, this is not the Middle East and I could care less about their repressive culture.

similar situation happened to me at a different place. I stared him down, though. I will not be intimidated into changing anything I do in my day to day life. This is my worry. They leave oppressive countries and bring their crap here. No thank you.

The Starbucks in the Burlington Coat Factory shopping center in Bailey's Crossroads has been taken over by Middle Eastern men who monopolize the tables both inside and outside. It is very uncomfortable even walking by them because of their nasty comments.

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Anonymous wrote:Face covering? I totally support any ban on that.

But policing women's bodies on the beach for covering their arms, hair, legs, or below the neck parts. is insane.

But if the French want to police women's bodies, can we get a ban on fat, shirtless men in public? Please? Especially the hairy ones. N

Well, a lot of us don't believe anyone should feel shame because of their body. That's part of the objection.

Anonymous wrote:Face covering? I totally support any ban on that.

But policing women's bodies on the beach for covering their arms, hair, legs, or below the neck parts. is insane.

But if the French want to police women's bodies, can we get a ban on fat, shirtless men in public? Please? Especially the hairy ones. N

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Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.

+1 I've been saying the same thing. NO govt should tell a civilian person what to wear.

Could a "western" woman wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia? is there a double standard?

What does it matter that there is a double standard? Should the western world follow what the Muslim world does where it pertains to forcing women to wear, nor not wear certain garments?

Is this a tit for tat situation? The western world is about freedom, as in, freedom to wear what we want to wear on the beach? If a French woman went topless in a non nudist beach in the US, she'd be arrested for indecency. Do we have a double standard?