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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if I'd call it oppressive, but it's absolutely true that in cultures where women have less power, they wear more makeup. Women in highly patriarchal societies (and parts of the U.S.) are more likely to wear much more makeup. It becomes one more way women compete to snag a man, in order to establish social status. Some examples: the Bible Belt south, Italy, Mexico, Japan. Some examples of more egalitarian and less made up places: liberal arts colleges, Scandinavia, Canada, blue states in general.

I guess the continent of Africa kind of throws your theory out the window.

Yeah, they have to have their clitorises removed to be considered marriageable. not oppressive at all. Just substitute whatever body modification you wish - foot binding, plastic surgery, corsets, makeup, high heels, the thighmaster, and so on --women having to undergo painful or uncomfortable or time consuming procedures or fashions to be atttractive. seriously people, this is anthropology 101

You're seriously equating shit like foot binding and genital mutilation with makeup and high heels and Seen On TV bs exercise machines?

The fact that you can't see the relationship between all of these things shows your ignorance.

Either you're a super dedicated troll, or you actually believe all the bs you're spouting. Either way, I'm only posting reaction memes to your nonsense, because that's the level of discourse you deserve.

I am not the PP who talked about corsets, etc., but your reaction memes are the only level of discourse you can rise to. If you can't see that makeup and plastic surgery are on the continuum with other procedures women have endured due to narrow perceptions of female beauty, then, yes, you are stupid. Makeup is not physically painful for most (allergies aside) but it represents the same idea. Women must be altered to be beautiful.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how women talk about something being oppressive while they sit back and tell other women about how they are incapable of making their own decisions about it.

How about I have my own makeup preferences and trust other women can make a decision that suits them?

+1

a bunch of privileged women with every choice in the world are complaining about make-up (which is used voluntarily) being oppressive.

Hint: we're not oppressed.

You really don't get it. You have been fed a line of bullshit for your entire life that you must look a certain way to be valued as a woman. You have bought it hook-line-and-sinker. You can't see that you are making decisions based on faulty information designed only to get you to spend money on products you don't need. Unless you can acknowledge the influence of the culture you live in and the messages you have been surrounded by and influenced by your whole life prior to making your decision, you are deluding yourself.

If you can acknowledge that it is unfair to tell women that it is not acceptable to appear in public without "correcting" all these "flaws" with makeup and other products and then say, "but I know this and decide to go along with it", then you aren't truly making your own decision about it. Educate yourself and try some introspection.

And if you truly get it and still *decide* that this is what you want for *yourself*, you would not feel the need to insult those who *decide* for *themselves* not to wear makeup or use other products as "ugly", "frumpy" or any other derogatory names, as many have done on this thread. The minute you do that, you reveal that you are truly sucked in to the oppressive, yes oppressive, messages about narrow standards of acceptable beauty for women.

Do you think you can write a post in defense of your position without insulting us? "If you truly get it" "You really don't get it... You have bought it hook line and sinker... you are deluding yourself.

+1

This is where third-wave feminism has taken us.

By that do you mean back to a place where women mistakenly think that wearing makeup is an empowering "choice" they have made.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if I'd call it oppressive, but it's absolutely true that in cultures where women have less power, they wear more makeup. Women in highly patriarchal societies (and parts of the U.S.) are more likely to wear much more makeup. It becomes one more way women compete to snag a man, in order to establish social status. Some examples: the Bible Belt south, Italy, Mexico, Japan. Some examples of more egalitarian and less made up places: liberal arts colleges, Scandinavia, Canada, blue states in general.

I guess the continent of Africa kind of throws your theory out the window.

Yeah, they have to have their clitorises removed to be considered marriageable. not oppressive at all. Just substitute whatever body modification you wish - foot binding, plastic surgery, corsets, makeup, high heels, the thighmaster, and so on --women having to undergo painful or uncomfortable or time consuming procedures or fashions to be atttractive. seriously people, this is anthropology 101

You're seriously equating shit like foot binding and genital mutilation with makeup and high heels and Seen On TV bs exercise machines?

The fact that you can't see the relationship between all of these things shows your ignorance.

its easy to see the relationship, I think PP takes issue with the way you sort of present them as equal atrocities. They are symptoms of the same infection, but the severity is obviously different. Which I assume you agree with and PP either thinks you don't agree or you don't present it the way she wants.

Anonymous wrote:What about men with beards, buns and ponytails wearing skinny jeans?
Are they oppressed?
Axe body spray must be guilty of oppressing men for sure using this line of thinking.
Deodorant?
What about people that get their poodles groomed? Let oppression?

What does OP have to say about the latest trend in men's fashions?
Men's fashion lines (aka Kanye West, Esquire magazine, male models, even Tyra Banks modeling show dedicated episodes to men)
JCrew has a whole product line for men's beards and mustaches

How is this not oppression for men?

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Anonymous wrote:I love how women talk about something being oppressive while they sit back and tell other women about how they are incapable of making their own decisions about it.

How about I have my own makeup preferences and trust other women can make a decision that suits them?

+1

a bunch of privileged women with every choice in the world are complaining about make-up (which is used voluntarily) being oppressive.

Hint: we're not oppressed.

You really don't get it. You have been fed a line of bullshit for your entire life that you must look a certain way to be valued as a woman. You have bought it hook-line-and-sinker. You can't see that you are making decisions based on faulty information designed only to get you to spend money on products you don't need. Unless you can acknowledge the influence of the culture you live in and the messages you have been surrounded by and influenced by your whole life prior to making your decision, you are deluding yourself.

If you can acknowledge that it is unfair to tell women that it is not acceptable to appear in public without "correcting" all these "flaws" with makeup and other products and then say, "but I know this and decide to go along with it", then you aren't truly making your own decision about it. Educate yourself and try some introspection.

And if you truly get it and still *decide* that this is what you want for *yourself*, you would not feel the need to insult those who *decide* for *themselves* not to wear makeup or use other products as "ugly", "frumpy" or any other derogatory names, as many have done on this thread. The minute you do that, you reveal that you are truly sucked in to the oppressive, yes oppressive, messages about narrow standards of acceptable beauty for women.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if I'd call it oppressive, but it's absolutely true that in cultures where women have less power, they wear more makeup. Women in highly patriarchal societies (and parts of the U.S.) are more likely to wear much more makeup. It becomes one more way women compete to snag a man, in order to establish social status. Some examples: the Bible Belt south, Italy, Mexico, Japan. Some examples of more egalitarian and less made up places: liberal arts colleges, Scandinavia, Canada, blue states in general.

I guess the continent of Africa kind of throws your theory out the window.

Yeah, they have to have their clitorises removed to be considered marriageable. not oppressive at all. Just substitute whatever body modification you wish - foot binding, plastic surgery, corsets, makeup, high heels, the thighmaster, and so on --women having to undergo painful or uncomfortable or time consuming procedures or fashions to be atttractive. seriously people, this is anthropology 101

You're seriously equating shit like foot binding and genital mutilation with makeup and high heels and Seen On TV bs exercise machines?

The fact that you can't see the relationship between all of these things shows your ignorance.

Either you're a super dedicated troll, or you actually believe all the bs you're spouting. Either way, I'm only posting reaction memes to your nonsense, because that's the level of discourse you deserve.

All of the quote things are complete and in the right place. Why didn't my quoting work?

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I love how women talk about something being oppressive while they sit back and tell other women about how they are incapable of making their own decisions about it.

How about I have my own makeup preferences and trust other women can make a decision that suits them? [/quote]

+1

a bunch of privileged women with every choice in the world are complaining about make-up (which is used voluntarily) being oppressive.

Hint: we're not oppressed. [/quote]

You really don't get it. You have been fed a line of bullshit for your entire life that you must look a certain way to be valued as a woman. You have bought it hook-line-and-sinker. You can't see that you are making decisions based on faulty information designed only to get you to spend money on products you don't need. Unless you can acknowledge the influence of the culture you live in and the messages you have been surrounded by and influenced by your whole life prior to making your decision, you are deluding yourself.

If you can acknowledge that it is unfair to tell women that it is not acceptable to appear in public without "correcting" all these "flaws" with makeup and other products and then say, "but I know this and decide to go along with it", then you aren't truly making your own decision about it. Educate yourself and try some introspection.

And if you truly get it and still *decide* that this is what you want for *yourself*, you would not feel the need to insult those who *decide* for *themselves* not to wear makeup or use other products as "ugly", "frumpy" or any other derogatory names, as many have done on this thread. The minute you do that, you reveal that you are truly sucked in to the oppressive, yes oppressive, messages about narrow standards of acceptable beauty for women.[/quote]
Jesus! Enjoying makeup does not mean I'm deluded or oppressed. You sound a little nuts.

Is there anything related to fashion that you actually enjoy?

Anonymous wrote:As someone with bad skin, makeup allows me to walk out of the house in the morning feeling good about myself. I feel bad for men with bad skin who aren't allowed to do anything about it.

Exactly - I know my DH sneaks my concealor on occasion but like is definitely easier for a woman with bad skin.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how women talk about something being oppressive while they sit back and tell other women about how they are incapable of making their own decisions about it.

How about I have my own makeup preferences and trust other women can make a decision that suits them?

+1

a bunch of privileged women with every choice in the world are complaining about make-up (which is used voluntarily) being oppressive.

Hint: we're not oppressed.

You really don't get it. You have been fed a line of bullshit for your entire life that you must look a certain way to be valued as a woman. You have bought it hook-line-and-sinker. You can't see that you are making decisions based on faulty information designed only to get you to spend money on products you don't need. Unless you can acknowledge the influence of the culture you live in and the messages you have been surrounded by and influenced by your whole life prior to making your decision, you are deluding yourself.

If you can acknowledge that it is unfair to tell women that it is not acceptable to appear in public without "correcting" all these "flaws" with makeup and other products and then say, "but I know this and decide to go along with it", then you aren't truly making your own decision about it. Educate yourself and try some introspection.

And if you truly get it and still *decide* that this is what you want for *yourself*, you would not feel the need to insult those who *decide* for *themselves* not to wear makeup or use other products as "ugly", "frumpy" or any other derogatory names, as many have done on this thread. The minute you do that, you reveal that you are truly sucked in to the oppressive, yes oppressive, messages about narrow standards of acceptable beauty for women.

PP, did you have some terrible childhood experience of someone putting makeup all over you against your will? Because this stance is ... extreme, to say the least.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how women talk about something being oppressive while they sit back and tell other women about how they are incapable of making their own decisions about it.

How about I have my own makeup preferences and trust other women can make a decision that suits them?

+1

a bunch of privileged women with every choice in the world are complaining about make-up (which is used voluntarily) being oppressive.

Hint: we're not oppressed.

You really don't get it. You have been fed a line of bullshit for your entire life that you must look a certain way to be valued as a woman. You have bought it hook-line-and-sinker. You can't see that you are making decisions based on faulty information designed only to get you to spend money on products you don't need. Unless you can acknowledge the influence of the culture you live in and the messages you have been surrounded by and influenced by your whole life prior to making your decision, you are deluding yourself.

If you can acknowledge that it is unfair to tell women that it is not acceptable to appear in public without "correcting" all these "flaws" with makeup and other products and then say, "but I know this and decide to go along with it", then you aren't truly making your own decision about it. Educate yourself and try some introspection.

And if you truly get it and still *decide* that this is what you want for *yourself*, you would not feel the need to insult those who *decide* for *themselves* not to wear makeup or use other products as "ugly", "frumpy" or any other derogatory names, as many have done on this thread. The minute you do that, you reveal that you are truly sucked in to the oppressive, yes oppressive, messages about narrow standards of acceptable beauty for women.

Do you think you can write a post in defense of your position without insulting us? "If you truly get it" "You really don't get it... You have bought it hook line and sinker... you are deluding yourself.

+1

This is where third-wave feminism has taken us.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how women talk about something being oppressive while they sit back and tell other women about how they are incapable of making their own decisions about it.

How about I have my own makeup preferences and trust other women can make a decision that suits them?

+1

a bunch of privileged women with every choice in the world are complaining about make-up (which is used voluntarily) being oppressive.

Hint: we're not oppressed.

You really don't get it. You have been fed a line of bullshit for your entire life that you must look a certain way to be valued as a woman. You have bought it hook-line-and-sinker. You can't see that you are making decisions based on faulty information designed only to get you to spend money on products you don't need. Unless you can acknowledge the influence of the culture you live in and the messages you have been surrounded by and influenced by your whole life prior to making your decision, you are deluding yourself.

If you can acknowledge that it is unfair to tell women that it is not acceptable to appear in public without "correcting" all these "flaws" with makeup and other products and then say, "but I know this and decide to go along with it", then you aren't truly making your own decision about it. Educate yourself and try some introspection.

And if you truly get it and still *decide* that this is what you want for *yourself*, you would not feel the need to insult those who *decide* for *themselves* not to wear makeup or use other products as "ugly", "frumpy" or any other derogatory names, as many have done on this thread. The minute you do that, you reveal that you are truly sucked in to the oppressive, yes oppressive, messages about narrow standards of acceptable beauty for women.

Do you think you can write a post in defense of your position without insulting us? "If you truly get it" "You really don't get it... You have bought it hook line and sinker... you are deluding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if I'd call it oppressive, but it's absolutely true that in cultures where women have less power, they wear more makeup. Women in highly patriarchal societies (and parts of the U.S.) are more likely to wear much more makeup. It becomes one more way women compete to snag a man, in order to establish social status. Some examples: the Bible Belt south, Italy, Mexico, Japan. Some examples of more egalitarian and less made up places: liberal arts colleges, Scandinavia, Canada, blue states in general.

I guess the continent of Africa kind of throws your theory out the window.

Yeah, they have to have their clitorises removed to be considered marriageable. not oppressive at all. Just substitute whatever body modification you wish - foot binding, plastic surgery, corsets, makeup, high heels, the thighmaster, and so on --women having to undergo painful or uncomfortable or time consuming procedures or fashions to be atttractive. seriously people, this is anthropology 101

You're seriously equating shit like foot binding and genital mutilation with makeup and high heels and Seen On TV bs exercise machines?

The fact that you can't see the relationship between all of these things shows your ignorance.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how women talk about something being oppressive while they sit back and tell other women about how they are incapable of making their own decisions about it.

How about I have my own makeup preferences and trust other women can make a decision that suits them?

+1

a bunch of privileged women with every choice in the world are complaining about make-up (which is used voluntarily) being oppressive.

Hint: we're not oppressed.

You really don't get it. You have been fed a line of bullshit for your entire life that you must look a certain way to be valued as a woman. You have bought it hook-line-and-sinker. You can't see that you are making decisions based on faulty information designed only to get you to spend money on products you don't need. Unless you can acknowledge the influence of the culture you live in and the messages you have been surrounded by and influenced by your whole life prior to making your decision, you are deluding yourself.

If you can acknowledge that it is unfair to tell women that it is not acceptable to appear in public without "correcting" all these "flaws" with makeup and other products and then say, "but I know this and decide to go along with it", then you aren't truly making your own decision about it. Educate yourself and try some introspection.

And if you truly get it and still *decide* that this is what you want for *yourself*, you would not feel the need to insult those who *decide* for *themselves* not to wear makeup or use other products as "ugly", "frumpy" or any other derogatory names, as many have done on this thread. The minute you do that, you reveal that you are truly sucked in to the oppressive, yes oppressive, messages about narrow standards of acceptable beauty for women.

Anonymous wrote:I love how women talk about something being oppressive while they sit back and tell other women about how they are incapable of making their own decisions about it.

How about I have my own makeup preferences and trust other women can make a decision that suits them?

+1

a bunch of privileged women with every choice in the world are complaining about make-up (which is used voluntarily) being oppressive.

Hint: we're not oppressed.