Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:35
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Every single woman in this thread knows she has at some point drank too much and if she has a daughter, her daughter will undoubtedly one night or more in college drink too much because that's what happens. You misjudge your tolerance, you're having a good time, and suddenly you're hammered. There but for the grace of God did I never end up raped behind a dumpster when I had too much to drink at 21, and same goes for all of you. And if you have a daughter who at some point will go to parties or bars, you need to think very, very carefully about assigning blame to this girl because it could happen to your daughter just as easily and I highly doubt you would be so sanguine about her "role" in being victimized as you are right now
Now that's not a true statement, at all. Some of us were taught about the abuse of alcohol by our responsible parents. If my child enters college and abuse alcohol, it will not be because parents did not have responsible conversations regarding the effects of this legal drug.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:35
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.
He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.
And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?
This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.
Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.
Sure, but if your son murders someone, you wouldn't counsel him to drink less in the future. You'd tell him to stop fucking murdering people.
I would do both!
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:33
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.
He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.
And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?
This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.
Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.
Not rape. Being a violent piece of shit woman hating human makes you a rapist, not alcohol.
Let me make another comparison for you. Woman is married to an abusive partner. Is she to be blamed for the abuse? No. Do we advise her to get out of a potentially dangerous situation. Yes. Being as smart as possible safety-wise is not the same as assigning blame.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:33
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Those swedish grad students who found her and tackled him to call the cops are heros. guardian angels.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:33
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.
He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.
And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?
This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.
Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.
Sure, but if your son murders someone, you wouldn't counsel him to drink less in the future. You'd tell him to stop fucking murdering people.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:33
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can understand the sentence. It was basically a hookup at a frat party gone wrong. It doesn't make sense to send one party to prison for years.. There's no way to know when she became unconscious, but it was probably later rather than sooner.
I think that the fact that she was totally unconscious when they found her and that he ran away (i.e., knew he was doing something wrong) when the grad students showed up pushes this into clear rape territory.
However, I do think the law can operate unfairly in cases where both parties were blackout drunk. If a woman appeared to be consenting but was blackout drunk, it is legally rape because she was too drunk to consent. But the law expects the blackout drunk man to realize that her consent isn't real and to be responsible for his actions while equally as drunk. I'm not saying being drunk should be an excuse for rape, but there is something inconsistent about saying that if a woman is blackout drunk and consents to sex it is actually rape, but treating the man the same way regardless of whether he was blackout drunk or not. I don't know what the answer is, but I do think there is a gray area there.
However, as I said, I think it was pretty black-and-white in the Stanford case, at least based on what I've read about it.
I do think the law can be challenging with both parties are blackout drunk, but that wasn't the case here, as you say. So it's pretty insulting to come up with all of these scenarios in which he might not have been at fault. He was. He is going to jail, and not for long enough.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:31
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Undoubtedly some of the people in this thread would argue she really shouldn't have been wearing jeans so thin in the thighs while out in public. And maybe the guy drank before he ripped her jeans and raped her.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:30
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:I can understand the sentence. It was basically a hookup at a frat party gone wrong. It doesn't make sense to send one party to prison for years.. There's no way to know when she became unconscious, but it was probably later rather than sooner.
I think that the fact that she was totally unconscious when they found her and that he ran away (i.e., knew he was doing something wrong) when the grad students showed up pushes this into clear rape territory.
However, I do think the law can operate unfairly in cases where both parties were blackout drunk. If a woman appeared to be consenting but was blackout drunk, it is legally rape because she was too drunk to consent. But the law expects the blackout drunk man to realize that her consent isn't real and to be responsible for his actions while equally as drunk. I'm not saying being drunk should be an excuse for rape, but there is something inconsistent about saying that if a woman is blackout drunk and consents to sex it is actually rape, but treating the man the same way regardless of whether he was blackout drunk or not. I don't know what the answer is, but I do think there is a gray area there.
However, as I said, I think it was pretty black-and-white in the Stanford case, at least based on what I've read about it.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:24
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.
He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.
This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.
I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.
I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.
Sorry to hear this. I had a friend with a similar thing happen to her... She was wearing her favorite pair of jeans that she has had for years... They were worn soft at the thighs so the fabric was really thin. He raped her THROUGH HER JEANS. Ripped a hole with his hands on the fabric by her upper inner thigh, pushed aside her underwear, and went to town. She was able to knock him off of her, but was still raped and completely traumatized.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:21
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.
He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.
This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.
I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.
I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:21
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.
He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.
And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?
This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.
Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.
Yes, I think he probably roofied her too with something that can't be traced. Athletes are more aware of substances that can be manipulated for different effects but are untraceable. I believe her. I think she probably took a shot or two, and was nursing a beer or other drink that he spiked the shit out of, forced her to drink more, and then she called her boyfriend but was totally incoherent, and then lost consiousness, at which point he led her behind a dumpster and put needles and dirt inside of her. I hope he gets destroyed in prison.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:18
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.
He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.
And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?
This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.
Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.
Not rape. Being a violent piece of shit woman hating human makes you a rapist, not alcohol.
NP... yes, these two factors can play a role. People who are drunk and/or high can commit all kinds of violent acts that they wouldn't do when sober. I'm sure many here have done some stupid things while drunk and/or high that they wouldn't have done when sober, maybe even some illegal things. No, I'm not talking about rape, but maybe something like driving drunk (at worst), or drunk dialing an ex (at best).... things you know are bad/wrong/stupid when sober. Alcohol and drugs affect your decision making abilities. Never an excuse though. But, bad things can happen when you are that drunk - to you or to someone else.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:10
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.
He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.
And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?
This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.
Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.
Not rape. Being a violent piece of shit woman hating human makes you a rapist, not alcohol.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:09
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.
He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.
And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?
This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.
Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 10:09
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Every single woman in this thread knows she has at some point drank too much and if she has a daughter, her daughter will undoubtedly one night or more in college drink too much because that's what happens. You misjudge your tolerance, you're having a good time, and suddenly you're hammered. There but for the grace of God did I never end up raped behind a dumpster when I had too much to drink at 21, and same goes for all of you. And if you have a daughter who at some point will go to parties or bars, you need to think very, very carefully about assigning blame to this girl because it could happen to your daughter just as easily and I highly doubt you would be so sanguine about her "role" in being victimized as you are right now
nope. Never. And I know other women who have never been that drunk. Not an excuse for what happened, though, but your blanket statement is incorrect.