Anonymous wrote:Beyoncé took time to explain to you she was dressed up as a love goddess? Funny, because the article from the director states the violence & dress was inspired by a video from the 80s (of a white woman hitting cars with baseball bats).

Don't state assumptions because things LOOK the same. State facts.

I don't need Beyoncé to sit down and explain the goddess symbolism in Lemonade. I'm Black, well versed in #blackgirlmagic, so I get it.

You aren't a part of my culture, and you obviously don't know enough about African and African American religions to appreciate the symbolism in the movie.

Here, since you need it spelled out for you:

http://time.com/4306316/beyonce-lemonade-black-woman-magic/

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to the album earlier, watching the visual movie now. This is brilliant!

But I don't get the animosity against Rachel Roy, if Jay-Z did have an affair with her. Indicative of a broken moral compass for sure, and there's no excuse with getting involved with a married man. But Jay-Z is the one who made and broke vows of fidelity. The Bee-hive should rage against him, FAR, FAR more than Rachel Roy.

Also, if "Becky" is a white girl, how can "Becky with the good hair" allude to Roy? Roy's Indian, not white.

Roy is part Indian, part white I think.

Who said Becky was white or that good hair alluded to a white woman's hair?

Well now it's clear why this thread sucks, it's full of white women speaking on things they have no clue about. "Hip hop trash". Old white women at that.

Carry on.

Because skin color dictates who can interpret music. Got it.

Every space isn't for you. This wasn't just music, but you can't see that dear privileged one

Sorry, my money is green to Beyonce and her music didn't come with warning label turning anyone who was not black away... Please get over yourself. I am just as much female as she is. And she is WAY more privileged than I will EVER be.

Lol. No one said you couldn't buy the album. You're absolutely right money erases her black experience in America and means she has more privilege than a white woman
The fact that you think this is about being a woman is proof that you don't get it at all.

Huh? I can cite article after article and post after post about how her album is very much about being a woman. May be very much about being a black woman, a scorned woman, a hurt women, etc... but none-the-less about being a WOMAN and what that experience is like. Not sure what you are reading or listening to.

Huh. I can't relate to any of it...and I feel sorry for anyone who does.

I think black artists prey on certain segments of the population in an effort to make money---that's why they aspire to write the anthem for the scorned baby mama (that always seeks to empower the victim by highlighting that she has her own money and can get another man) and the funeral anthem.

Gross

I agree...gross. Also you do know that white women get cheated on too. Just ask Carrie Underwood, Taylor Swift, and Gretchen Wilson who all have similar songs/anthems. You are a racist idiot!!!

Go compare the lyrics. They take a very different approach. I think it's very sad for any woman to embrace violence...ymmv. With regards to lyrics, I've always found it interesting when female singers try to empower themselves by saying they make their own money, and bought the car the cheating loser was driving...why did you buy a car for a deadbeat guy? And why are you bragging about that? To underscore your poor choice in men? And then they go on to say they can get another man in a minute...okay, so you need a man? It's an interesting look into the subculture.

Taylor just shakes it off.

Country singers are a mixed bag: sometimes they are strong, and other times they resort to violence.

It's all very interesting.

To the left, to the left....

Beyonce sings the same crap. And visual violence is just as bad as violence in lyrics... cause young girls won't see their role models smashing up cars.

There is a reason for the "violence". During that scene, Beyoncé is dressed up as the Yoruba love goddess Oshun, who is known for being jealous and destructive.

Over their heads.

Yep... All white men. LOL.




"Hold Up”

One of the most star-studded tracks on the album, this reggae-trap kiss-off was mainly co-produced and co-written by Diplo, Vampire Weekend’s Ezra Koenig, and Beyoncé herself. It also has writing credits from living acid trip Father John Misty, Soulja Boy (yep, for interpolating “Turn My Swag On”), the Yeah Yeah Yeahs (for "containing elements," whatever that means, of “Maps”!), Doc Pomus and Mort Shuman (for also containing elements of Andy Williams’s “Can’t Get Used to Losing You"), producer/composer Emile Haynie, singer/producer MNEK (who you likely know from Zara Larsson’s “Never Forget You”), producer Onye Anyanwu, and producer Melo-X.

In what will likely be the most talked-about of the 12 videos, Beyoncé wields a baseball bat on the streets of NoLa, smashing cars, police surveillance cameras, and just generally fucking up every bitch in sight — us viewers included — all while maniacally asking: “What’s worse, looking jealous or crazy?” The entire visual draws heavily on Pipilotti Rist’s 1997 “Ever is Over All” installation. [u]In case her driving a monster truck over a row of cars didn’t make it clear enough, this is first and foremost a tale of infidelity.

This is what the Hold Up violence draws from... and WELP... It's art from a white woman!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a56RPZ_cbdc

Beyoncé took time to explain to you she was dressed up as a love goddess? Funny, because the article from the director states the violence & dress was inspired by a video from the 80s (of a white woman hitting cars with baseball bats).

Don't state assumptions because things LOOK the same. State facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to the album earlier, watching the visual movie now. This is brilliant!

But I don't get the animosity against Rachel Roy, if Jay-Z did have an affair with her. Indicative of a broken moral compass for sure, and there's no excuse with getting involved with a married man. But Jay-Z is the one who made and broke vows of fidelity. The Bee-hive should rage against him, FAR, FAR more than Rachel Roy.

Also, if "Becky" is a white girl, how can "Becky with the good hair" allude to Roy? Roy's Indian, not white.

Roy is part Indian, part white I think.

Who said Becky was white or that good hair alluded to a white woman's hair?

Well now it's clear why this thread sucks, it's full of white women speaking on things they have no clue about. "Hip hop trash". Old white women at that.

Carry on.

Because skin color dictates who can interpret music. Got it.

Every space isn't for you. This wasn't just music, but you can't see that dear privileged one

Sorry, my money is green to Beyonce and her music didn't come with warning label turning anyone who was not black away... Please get over yourself. I am just as much female as she is. And she is WAY more privileged than I will EVER be.

Lol. No one said you couldn't buy the album. You're absolutely right money erases her black experience in America and means she has more privilege than a white woman
The fact that you think this is about being a woman is proof that you don't get it at all.

Huh? I can cite article after article and post after post about how her album is very much about being a woman. May be very much about being a black woman, a scorned woman, a hurt women, etc... but none-the-less about being a WOMAN and what that experience is like. Not sure what you are reading or listening to.

Huh. I can't relate to any of it...and I feel sorry for anyone who does.

I think black artists prey on certain segments of the population in an effort to make money---that's why they aspire to write the anthem for the scorned baby mama (that always seeks to empower the victim by highlighting that she has her own money and can get another man) and the funeral anthem.

Gross

I agree...gross. Also you do know that white women get cheated on too. Just ask Carrie Underwood, Taylor Swift, and Gretchen Wilson who all have similar songs/anthems. You are a racist idiot!!!

Go compare the lyrics. They take a very different approach. I think it's very sad for any woman to embrace violence...ymmv. With regards to lyrics, I've always found it interesting when female singers try to empower themselves by saying they make their own money, and bought the car the cheating loser was driving...why did you buy a car for a deadbeat guy? And why are you bragging about that? To underscore your poor choice in men? And then they go on to say they can get another man in a minute...okay, so you need a man? It's an interesting look into the subculture.

Taylor just shakes it off.

Country singers are a mixed bag: sometimes they are strong, and other times they resort to violence.

It's all very interesting.

To the left, to the left....

Beyonce sings the same crap. And visual violence is just as bad as violence in lyrics... cause young girls won't see their role models smashing up cars.

There is a reason for the "violence". During that scene, Beyoncé is dressed up as the Yoruba love goddess Oshun, who is known for being jealous and destructive.

Over their heads.

I want to watch it now on HBO on demand. Does anyone know where on HBO on demand its buried? I can't find it under special, features, docs, movies, or series??

Are you guys friggin serious with the continuous quotes?

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to the album earlier, watching the visual movie now. This is brilliant!

But I don't get the animosity against Rachel Roy, if Jay-Z did have an affair with her. Indicative of a broken moral compass for sure, and there's no excuse with getting involved with a married man. But Jay-Z is the one who made and broke vows of fidelity. The Bee-hive should rage against him, FAR, FAR more than Rachel Roy.

Also, if "Becky" is a white girl, how can "Becky with the good hair" allude to Roy? Roy's Indian, not white.

Roy is part Indian, part white I think.

Who said Becky was white or that good hair alluded to a white woman's hair?

Well now it's clear why this thread sucks, it's full of white women speaking on things they have no clue about. "Hip hop trash". Old white women at that.

Carry on.

Because skin color dictates who can interpret music. Got it.

Every space isn't for you. This wasn't just music, but you can't see that dear privileged one

Sorry, my money is green to Beyonce and her music didn't come with warning label turning anyone who was not black away... Please get over yourself. I am just as much female as she is. And she is WAY more privileged than I will EVER be.

Lol. No one said you couldn't buy the album. You're absolutely right money erases her black experience in America and means she has more privilege than a white woman
The fact that you think this is about being a woman is proof that you don't get it at all.

Huh? I can cite article after article and post after post about how her album is very much about being a woman. May be very much about being a black woman, a scorned woman, a hurt women, etc... but none-the-less about being a WOMAN and what that experience is like. Not sure what you are reading or listening to.

Huh. I can't relate to any of it...and I feel sorry for anyone who does.

I think black artists prey on certain segments of the population in an effort to make money---that's why they aspire to write the anthem for the scorned baby mama (that always seeks to empower the victim by highlighting that she has her own money and can get another man) and the funeral anthem.

Gross

I agree...gross. Also you do know that white women get cheated on too. Just ask Carrie Underwood, Taylor Swift, and Gretchen Wilson who all have similar songs/anthems. You are a racist idiot!!!

Go compare the lyrics. They take a very different approach. I think it's very sad for any woman to embrace violence...ymmv. With regards to lyrics, I've always found it interesting when female singers try to empower themselves by saying they make their own money, and bought the car the cheating loser was driving...why did you buy a car for a deadbeat guy? And why are you bragging about that? To underscore your poor choice in men? And then they go on to say they can get another man in a minute...okay, so you need a man? It's an interesting look into the subculture.

Taylor just shakes it off.

Country singers are a mixed bag: sometimes they are strong, and other times they resort to violence.

It's all very interesting.

To the left, to the left....

Beyonce sings the same crap. And visual violence is just as bad as violence in lyrics... cause young girls won't see their role models smashing up cars.

There is a reason for the "violence". During that scene, Beyoncé is dressed up as the Yoruba love goddess Oshun, who is known for being jealous and destructive.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to the album earlier, watching the visual movie now. This is brilliant!

But I don't get the animosity against Rachel Roy, if Jay-Z did have an affair with her. Indicative of a broken moral compass for sure, and there's no excuse with getting involved with a married man. But Jay-Z is the one who made and broke vows of fidelity. The Bee-hive should rage against him, FAR, FAR more than Rachel Roy.

Also, if "Becky" is a white girl, how can "Becky with the good hair" allude to Roy? Roy's Indian, not white.

Roy is part Indian, part white I think.

Who said Becky was white or that good hair alluded to a white woman's hair?

Well now it's clear why this thread sucks, it's full of white women speaking on things they have no clue about. "Hip hop trash". Old white women at that.

Carry on.

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Because skin color dictates who can interpret music. Got it.

Every space isn't for you. This wasn't just music, but you can't see that dear privileged one

Sorry, my money is green to Beyonce and her music didn't come with warning label turning anyone who was not black away... Please get over yourself. I am just as much female as she is. And she is WAY more privileged than I will EVER be.

Lol. No one said you couldn't buy the album. You're absolutely right money erases her black experience in America and means she has more privilege than a white woman
The fact that you think this is about being a woman is proof that you don't get it at all.

Huh? I can cite article after article and post after post about how her album is very much about being a woman. May be very much about being a black woman, a scorned woman, a hurt women, etc... but none-the-less about being a WOMAN and what that experience is like. Not sure what you are reading or listening to.

Huh. I can't relate to any of it...and I feel sorry for anyone who does.

I think black artists prey on certain segments of the population in an effort to make money---that's why they aspire to write the anthem for the scorned baby mama (that always seeks to empower the victim by highlighting that she has her own money and can get another man) and the funeral anthem.

Gross

I agree that it's gross, but it's true. Do you listen to the radio or follow the music industry?

Compare and contrast Beyoncé with Taylor Swift or Allanis Morrissette. All have famously written anthems for the scorned woman, but there's a big difference in their approach in terms of how they empower the female.

And I'm sure we can all list our top five funeral anthems. The music industry has a rubric for the kinds of songs that transcend generations and have a perpetual shelf life...like the funeral anthem. Fact.

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true. Formation is awesome but then got ends flat when she basically confuses true feminist empowerment with counting your "paper" or money. That does prey on a certain segment of the black population.

Waahh Waahh I'm white how dare you say one thing isn't mine.