Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:36
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
Cannot "manage" being there? What does that even mean? There will be more mature kids and less mature kids. There will be academically advanced kids, and academically behind kids. There is no way to create a 'fair' system of clones with identical abilities, despite what redshirting parents claim to think.
Most do it to try to get their kid a leg up.
How do you know this?
Because it's everywhere.
From the NYT: Parents of these children often delay school entry in an attempt to give them a leg up on peers. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/dont-delay-your-kindergartners-start.html)
From the New Yorker: It’s this competitive logic, rather than genuine concern about a child’s developmental readiness, that drives redshirting. Many parents decide to redshirt their children not because they seem particularly immature or young but because they hope that the extra year will give them a boost relative to their peers. (http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/youngest-kid-smartest-kid)
From Cornell: many parents and educators believe holding children back from entering kindergarten offers advantages if they are older relative to their classmates (http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/07/redshirting-kids-yields-no-advantage-higher-education)
Shall I go on?
so here we have
1. an op-ed;
2. an article that presents research that redshirting has short-term disadvantages for older kids; and
3. research that shows that there is no long-term academic advantage to redshirting.
none of these are about why parents make the decision. They just assume they know why.
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:25
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
OK, so you know that many parents do it to give their kid a leg up because the NYT, New Yorker, and Cornell press release say so. Now, how do they know that?
Please stop. You're really embarrassing.
- new poster
I'm not embarrassed. PP(s) is/are saying that everybody knows that parents do this to give their kid a leg up. Well, there are plenty of things that everybody knows that aren't actually true. Could this be one of them? I think so. If you look at the links, it's a lot of anecdotes and more "everybody knows that..."
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:16
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
Cannot "manage" being there? What does that even mean? There will be more mature kids and less mature kids. There will be academically advanced kids, and academically behind kids. There is no way to create a 'fair' system of clones with identical abilities, despite what redshirting parents claim to think.
Most do it to try to get their kid a leg up.
How do you know this?
Because it's everywhere.
From the NYT: Parents of these children often delay school entry in an attempt to give them a leg up on peers. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/dont-delay-your-kindergartners-start.html)
From the New Yorker: It’s this competitive logic, rather than genuine concern about a child’s developmental readiness, that drives redshirting. Many parents decide to redshirt their children not because they seem particularly immature or young but because they hope that the extra year will give them a boost relative to their peers. (http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/youngest-kid-smartest-kid)
From Cornell: many parents and educators believe holding children back from entering kindergarten offers advantages if they are older relative to their classmates (http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/07/redshirting-kids-yields-no-advantage-higher-education)
Shall I go on?
OK, so you know that many parents do it to give their kid a leg up because the NYT, New Yorker, and Cornell press release say so. Now, how do they know that?
Please stop. You're really embarrassing.
- new poster
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:14
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
I feed my kid a healthy diet because I assume it will give her a leg up, health wise, academically, etc. Does that put your kid at a disadvantage or not? Obviously you wouldn't argue that I shouldn't do so if I believe it would help my child, right? My choice, and within the existing "rules". You are certainly welcome to disagree and not do so.
The only question is whether harm is done to other children and certainly no one has established that.
The only question is whether harm is done to other children and certainly no one has established that.
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:13
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
Cannot "manage" being there? What does that even mean? There will be more mature kids and less mature kids. There will be academically advanced kids, and academically behind kids. There is no way to create a 'fair' system of clones with identical abilities, despite what redshirting parents claim to think.
Most do it to try to get their kid a leg up.
I don't know any family that has ever said that. So my conclusion has always been that although their child is chronologically ready that child is unable to handle being in a Kindergarten class with peers. They often need an extra year in a preschool classroom to get them ready.
Of course they don't say that! Good lord, some of you people are absurd.
Well then I assume their child needs to be in class with younger children for some reason.
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:12
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I don't know any family that has ever said that. So my conclusion has always been that although their child is chronologically ready that child is unable to handle being in a Kindergarten class with peers. They often need an extra year in a preschool classroom to get them ready.
Of course they don't say that! Good lord, some of you people are absurd.
Shorter PP: People have told me that they're redshirting their child because their child isn't ready for kindergarten, but I know that they're lying.
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:11
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
Cannot "manage" being there? What does that even mean? There will be more mature kids and less mature kids. There will be academically advanced kids, and academically behind kids. There is no way to create a 'fair' system of clones with identical abilities, despite what redshirting parents claim to think.
Most do it to try to get their kid a leg up.
How do you know this?
Because it's everywhere.
From the NYT: Parents of these children often delay school entry in an attempt to give them a leg up on peers. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/dont-delay-your-kindergartners-start.html)
From the New Yorker: It’s this competitive logic, rather than genuine concern about a child’s developmental readiness, that drives redshirting. Many parents decide to redshirt their children not because they seem particularly immature or young but because they hope that the extra year will give them a boost relative to their peers. (http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/youngest-kid-smartest-kid)
From Cornell: many parents and educators believe holding children back from entering kindergarten offers advantages if they are older relative to their classmates (http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/07/redshirting-kids-yields-no-advantage-higher-education)
Shall I go on?
OK, so you know that many parents do it to give their kid a leg up because the NYT, New Yorker, and Cornell press release say so. Now, how do they know that?
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:09
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
Cannot "manage" being there? What does that even mean? There will be more mature kids and less mature kids. There will be academically advanced kids, and academically behind kids. There is no way to create a 'fair' system of clones with identical abilities, despite what redshirting parents claim to think.
Most do it to try to get their kid a leg up.
I don't know any family that has ever said that. So my conclusion has always been that although their child is chronologically ready that child is unable to handle being in a Kindergarten class with peers. They often need an extra year in a preschool classroom to get them ready.
Of course they don't say that! Good lord, some of you people are absurd.
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:08
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
Cannot "manage" being there? What does that even mean? There will be more mature kids and less mature kids. There will be academically advanced kids, and academically behind kids. There is no way to create a 'fair' system of clones with identical abilities, despite what redshirting parents claim to think.
Most do it to try to get their kid a leg up.
How do you know this?
Because it's everywhere.
From the NYT: Parents of these children often delay school entry in an attempt to give them a leg up on peers. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/dont-delay-your-kindergartners-start.html)
From the New Yorker: It’s this competitive logic, rather than genuine concern about a child’s developmental readiness, that drives redshirting. Many parents decide to redshirt their children not because they seem particularly immature or young but because they hope that the extra year will give them a boost relative to their peers. (http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/youngest-kid-smartest-kid)
From Cornell: many parents and educators believe holding children back from entering kindergarten offers advantages if they are older relative to their classmates (http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/07/redshirting-kids-yields-no-advantage-higher-education)
Shall I go on?
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:06
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
Cannot "manage" being there? What does that even mean? There will be more mature kids and less mature kids. There will be academically advanced kids, and academically behind kids. There is no way to create a 'fair' system of clones with identical abilities, despite what redshirting parents claim to think.
Most do it to try to get their kid a leg up.
If this is true, so what? If redshirting actually does give a kid a leg up, then you can redshirt your kid too. Or, if redshirting doesn't give a kid a leg up, then you have nothing to worry about.
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:04
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
^which then puts them into Kindergarten the following year with their emotional peers instead of age ones.
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:02
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
Cannot "manage" being there? What does that even mean? There will be more mature kids and less mature kids. There will be academically advanced kids, and academically behind kids. There is no way to create a 'fair' system of clones with identical abilities, despite what redshirting parents claim to think.
Most do it to try to get their kid a leg up.
I don't know any family that has ever said that. So my conclusion has always been that although their child is chronologically ready that child is unable to handle being in a Kindergarten class with peers. They often need an extra year in a preschool classroom to get them ready.
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:01
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
Cannot "manage" being there? What does that even mean? There will be more mature kids and less mature kids. There will be academically advanced kids, and academically behind kids. There is no way to create a 'fair' system of clones with identical abilities, despite what redshirting parents claim to think.
Most do it to try to get their kid a leg up.
How do you know this?
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:01
Subject: Re:Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It allows them almost an entire year's leeway though which is too large a timeframe.
According to whom?
Yes, the argument here is basically,
1. The school system lets parents do a thing that I don't think the school system ought to let parents do, because
2. The thing is bad.
Wow. God exists.
Maybe you can move off of this obsession you have with other parents parenting choices and set us all straight on some other parenting issues. Clearly you got this one all figured out for all of us.
Let's just ignore this poster. There are legitimate arguments on both sides, but "this IS the rule! There's a rule!" isn't contributing anything (and yes pp, we know that's you again).
Anonymous
10/19/2015 15:00
Subject: Genuinely don't get why redshirting in K is allowed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People should leave redshirting parents alone. They know better than anyone if their child is incapable of handling a Kindergarten class. I would prefer that when my child goes to Kindergarten they are not in class with a bunch of kids who cannot manage being there.
If your child is in no shape to go to Kindergarten, keep them out for another year.
You will notice no way unless you give your kid the opportunity and if they cannot handle it, then remove them or have them repeat. Why underestimate kids. Many will rise to the challenge if supported.
Why assume that you're a better judge of what's best for the child than the child's parents?